HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans

[druxey]

My understanding is that the forward end of the little 'platform' was left clear for a sailor to stand on. He cast a lead to make depth soundings (the 'leadsman'). This is why your option 3 for the bill-board, set back even few more inches, is what was most likely; even if not the most aethetic choice.

[Siggi52]

Thank you Druxey, 

that makes sense. I will look in my books again. For now I found within my pictures only ships with the channels low, and they did't have this bolster

[Siggi52]

I did't find pictures where there is room enough, that there could someone stand. At later ships, like the Bellona, yes. There is the bolster extrem long forward. But even at her sister ship, the Superb, it would't work. There is't enough headroom I would say.

 

Here a picture from the Centurion. That part is there missing, but the notches in the channel indicate its place.

 

And here the other 60 gunner from that period. I don't think that there anyone could stand. But at least, they are both parallel sided! The not so parallel sided one are from ships, where the channels are lower and yes some had also this bolster. 

 

When I build that part like version #3, then is there a space 4mm deep and 6 mm long. Means 192 X 28,8mm. That is't really convenient to stand. 

I sleep it over and will see tomorrow what I do.

 

 

[Siggi52]

Good morning,

I must say, most of the billboards where parallel sided, but not all. 

The Yarmouth 1745

 

 

and the Royal Oak 1741 for example

The whole lining is following a curve and I think I should do it also with the Tiger so. Because the channel is set back a little and I found no ship of this time with only at one side of the bolster a free space. 

The Tiger 1747

 

 

For a sailer to loot water depth is't there much space. It would be the most dangerous working place at the ship. The ruler is to scale in feet.

 

 

 

[druxey]

I'm meaning only the style with the bolster or ledge included. I suppose the other place to stand would be higher, on the fore end of the channel. In any case, I believe that the sailor had a line tied around him for safety! However, it's your model, your decision, Siggi.

[Siggi52]

Hello,

the billboards are now also ready. It was't easy because they are twisted a little.

 

The pictures with them ready where not sharp, so I delated them. 

 

 

The next things at my to do list are the windows at the quarter deck. 🤭 That means tiny carving, but one time I have to do it. 

[Siggi52]

Hello and thank you for your likes,

during the paint at the billboard dried, I made the ropes for the gun port lids. And because I had the ropewalk set up, I made also the ropes for the gammoning. Here I tried also same splices en miniature. The right one was the first, but the second is, I think ok.

 

And here the first windows. The smaller ones I have to rebuild, because they separated when I tried to cut them to the right size. The larger one, for the captains gun port, did it well. The only thing is, that the glue made the acrylic glas blind. I don't really know what to do with them. I glued the wood to the acrylic glas with the glue for acrylic, but that solved also the paint from the frames ☹️ 

 

[Wintergreen]

The left (2nd) splize is definitely okay!

I can do them in real worlds size and if mine would turn out that neat I'd be very satisfied.

 

Hats off to you Siggi!

[druxey]

The acrylic 'glass' looks like antique mica now: the effect looks nice, actually. Nice splice as well.

[Keith Black]

Siggi, I agree with David, the glass looks great. It looks like glass of that period. Window glass history is pretty interesting, 18th century window glass was very different that todays glass. I'm surprised how large individual panes are depicted in 18th and 19th century models.

[Siggi52]

Hello and many thanks for your comments and likes

 

Håkan, splicing is't wich work. I did it in real life many times before and here it is only a little smaller 😉 Today I tried one rope at the model, they are too short and too thin ☹️ So I have the chance for two other splices.

 

The two window are out now and the new ones more or les ready. They have to dry properly, and then I will give them a thin coat of clear lacquer. So that the glas would't look too plain. I worked this time a little more accurate and it looked much better.

 

I made the windows for the Dragon from mica. So I know, it is not easy to work with it. But it is clear and plain. And I know also glas from the 18th century. It's not so plain like the glas today, but it is not blind. From looking trough it, you could get sea sick. I think, the mica at the contemporary models are also coated with glue ore lacquer and over the last 200 years it is getting blind and wavy.

 

This is the 60 gunner 1:60 I saw in Chatham. And that at that scale! So tomorrow more about windows, I hope.

[Siggi52]

Hello,

it is done, the windows are ready and build in. The lacquer at the acrylic glas may dry a little more and then I hope they look a little more even.

 

 

 

[scrubbyj427]

Amazing work Siggi! Beautiful model!

JJ

[Keith Black]

Siggi, the windows look great. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours. 

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Hello Siggi, and Merry Christmas!

That is some exquisite work you’re doing here.

 

If you don’t want to fog the clear plastic glass, use pva glue. This is something I learned making airplane models. 

[druxey]

And my best wishes this holiday season to your crew, Siggi!

[Jorge Diaz O]

On 22/12/2021 at 13:36, Siggi52 said:

Hola,

ya está hecho, las ventanas están listas y empotradas. La laca en los cristales acrílicos puede secarse un poco más y luego espero que se vean un poco más uniformes.

 

 

 

Merry Christmas teacher, a great job, one of the best I have seen. Congratulations to the entire crew.

 

[Siggi52]

Hello and many thanks for your comments and likes

The carpenters started with the window borders. Are that also rigols? 

 

 

 

[albert]

Great beautiful work Siggi. 

 

[Siggi52]

Hello, and thank you Albert

That was not for the first time, but when I look long enough at the pictures it is not unusual that I'm back in my shop and tear down what I had build before. So also here.  It is terrible what you could see all at pictures 😬  Now the window borders 2.0

At least I carved only these red and white half circles new, but I also build the pillars and painted them the last days.

 

[Siggi52]

Hello,

it is done! That was more work as expected. The next, and for the next time last thing to do outside of the hull, would be to rig up the gun port lids at the gun deck. 

 

 

 

 

 

[popash42]

Dear siggi 

In the last few hours I have had the honor and pleasure of reading your blog, I have learned a lot from you. I will continue to follow with great curiosity

[Siggi52]

Hello and many thanks for al the likes,

and now back again at the gun deck. Today I opened the port lids at the port side. The weights are bullets cal.45, if someone may ask.

 

 

[scrubbyj427]

Hi Siggi, again wonderful work, I’m just in awe over this model.

 

I just noticed in your last post that your aft FWD riding bit appears to potentially cover a portion of your FWD companionway. They reason why I ask is that I’m drafting Portland 1770 and I ran into this issues while utilizing the original drawings, I’m curious to know if you encounter this on Tiger and if so, do you move the bit or leave as designed? 

 

below is your model and the bitt appears to cover the companionway
 

 

below you can see my 3D model of the bitt in question on Portland as well as the original draft also showing the error:

 

 

JJ

Edited January 5, 2022 by scrubbyj427

[Siggi52]

Hello JJ,

I leave it so as it was designed. I don't think that it is a mistake. You find that at many plans. 

Here the Tiger 1747

 

Standard 1782

 

Dragon 1760

 

Or even not

Essex 1741

 

Ipswich 1730

 

[scrubbyj427]

3 hours ago, Siggi52 said:

Hello JJ,

I leave it so as it was designed. I don't think that it is a mistake. You find that at many plans. 

Here the Tiger 1747

 

Standard 1782

 

Dragon 1760

 

Or even not

Essex 1741

 

Ipswich 1730

 

 

 

Hi Siggi, very interesting to see that so prevalent in so many designs. Wonder why they intended to obstruct a decent portion of the opening? Weird. I’ll just leave it as is then!

 

JJ

[druxey]

Space was at a premium. You would only hit your head once on the cross-piece coming up the ladderway. After that you'd instinctively duck!

[Siggi52]

Hello,

so, the deck is scrubbed and I made a first sample sitting for the cannons. The question is here, should they be perpendicular with the axis of the ship (pic.1), or with the outside of the walls? (pic.2) I tend for the later variation. You could see both at the contemporary models.

And JJ, the shipwright stands before the ladder way. So it is't so tight.

 

 

 

[scrubbyj427]

That clearance looks close to what I have, about 18-20” at 1/48 scale. 
I also like the guns arranged as you have them in the second photo, but I’m also curious as to how they were actually set on the real ship. Looks really good though.

JJ

[Siggi52]

Hello,

today I puzzled how to lay out the anchor cable at the deck. First, must a cable when not in use go over the bits? I build that at the port side. At the starboard side I would say, the anchor is out and the cable goes over one bit. Falconer says, only at a heavy sea the second bit was also in use and more stoppers. I secured the cables with two stoppers. All is not hard and fast, so if someone of you have other suggestions, please let me know. At least, most of this you would't see later 😐

 

I had some trouble with the uploading of two pictures! That is the reason, why one picture is now smaller.