SJSoane Posted March 10, 2013 Author #61 Posted March 10, 2013 Hi everyone, The top chocks are finally finished, and I went for the black on natural idea. It is starting to look good with the natural gratings and black coamings. I have shown the size of the upper chock in my hand. Challenging. On to the lower ones... Mark botra288, billocrates, aviaamator and 8 others 10 1 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
gjdale Posted March 10, 2013 #62 Posted March 10, 2013 Good choice Mark - it looks great (and tiny!) Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
mtaylor Posted March 10, 2013 #63 Posted March 10, 2013 Challenging????? Mark, I think you are now the master of understatement. aviaamator 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Michiel Posted March 11, 2013 #64 Posted March 11, 2013 a real beauty, Quote Finished models: Botter, President Current: Prins Willem by the book of Ketting, HMS Beagle - OcCre restauration of a Statenjacht
j21896 Posted March 11, 2013 #65 Posted March 11, 2013 Hi Mark, I was a silent follower on the old MSW. Your Bellona is beautiful! I too really like the black chocks to match your black hatch coamings. Cheers, Robert Archi 1 Quote Current Build: HMS Mars
Trussben Posted March 11, 2013 #66 Posted March 11, 2013 Wow - now that Chock is Tiny, I hope the carpet monster doesnt eat it! ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
druxey Posted March 12, 2013 #67 Posted March 12, 2013 Very adroitly done, Mark! Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
SJSoane Posted March 13, 2013 Author #69 Posted March 13, 2013 Thanks, Grant, Mark, Michiel, Robert, Ben, druxey and Karl. This has been a steep learning curve for me. Of all the things I read over the years, and watching other great build logs on this site, I had no idea that the chocks of the capstans were going to be so challenging. They have to fit very precisely into the angles between the whelps, or you can see the mismatch; they are angled at the back to fit against the angles of the drum, which you can also see if it is not right; they are beveled on the sides to fit the birdsmouth rabbets; and they are rounded on the front so that they make a perfect circle around the capstan, which you can see if it is not a perfect circle. They are too thin to clamp in a vise without breaking them with the force of a file, and almost too small to hold in fingertips. I sanded and filed a great deal off my fingertips while working on these. I became obsessive about not letting them slip from my grasp, because there was no way I would ever find them again. I can't wait to work on a big project like the spokes of the helm! ....;-) Best wishes, Mark Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
the learner Posted March 16, 2013 #70 Posted March 16, 2013 Fantastic build! Thank you for the step by step progression Cheers, Guy The Learner Quote Cheers, GuyThe LearnerCurrent Member NRG,SMA Current Build: HMS Triton 1:48 on line
SJSoane Posted March 16, 2013 Author #71 Posted March 16, 2013 Hi everyone, Here is the capstan, with lower chocks. Done. Mark Remcohe, aviaamator, sonicmcdude and 8 others 9 1 1 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
michael mott Posted March 16, 2013 #72 Posted March 16, 2013 Excellent work sir! I have found a pair of very heavy short length tweezers used by the watchmaking folk to be of great use with these tiny bits. I also got tired of filing away my fingers. Ill post a picture in favourite hand tools. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
druxey Posted March 16, 2013 #73 Posted March 16, 2013 Can you tell that I'm smiling seeing your photos again? Kurt Johnson and Jeronimo 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
SJSoane Posted March 16, 2013 Author #74 Posted March 16, 2013 Thanks, Michael and druxey, that was a steep learning curve. But the great thing is, I figured it out and learned some new skills along the way. I had to be even more patient than usual, and walk away when I got impatient. And I had to be more systematic than usual, while carefully adjusting each face. I made a few sanding jigs that helped; I'll try to post those later. I also learned that I have to get even more tools....a few more files to expand my range of coarseness, and Michael, I look forward to seeing the watchmaker tweezers. Those could really come in handy! Mark daHeld73 1 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
mtaylor Posted March 17, 2013 #75 Posted March 17, 2013 Amazing craftsmanship, Mark. Looks absolutely perfect from the pictures. Jeronimo 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
gjdale Posted March 17, 2013 #76 Posted March 17, 2013 That, Sir, is a work of art!!! aviaamator 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
the learner Posted March 17, 2013 #77 Posted March 17, 2013 Perhaps a little late but there is a member of the ROPE in Japan that did a complete set of plans for the HMS Bellona including the frames in CAD format. I have only seen the CD with the plans one time but as I remember they were well drawn. Cheers, Guy The Learner Quote Cheers, GuyThe LearnerCurrent Member NRG,SMA Current Build: HMS Triton 1:48 on line
SJSoane Posted March 17, 2013 Author #78 Posted March 17, 2013 Thanks, Mark and Grant. My wife asked me if we would ever see this when the model is done. I explained that the modelmaker of the original 1760 Bellona model is likely looking over my shoulder, making sure I keep standards up... Guy, it is probably late for me at this point. I lofted all of the frames back in the 90s before I started using CAD. And the details are now half a lifetime of research based on dozens of sources. It would be interesting to see someone else's reconstruction of the ship. Are the drawings published anywhere? I am taking a break from the hull for a short time, while I sort out the Byrnes ropewalk and set up a rigging table based on Steel. I have posted a few questions over in Tools and in Rigging. I thought it better to keep these off the build log. Best wishes, Mark the learner 1 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
Blue Ensign Posted March 18, 2013 #79 Posted March 18, 2013 Hi Mark, I was alerted to your build by your question on rigging, your craftsmanship and artistry are of the highest order. Bellona is a beautiful ship and you are building a wonderful model of her, a pleasure to see. Regards, B.E. druxey 1 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
SJSoane Posted March 20, 2013 Author #80 Posted March 20, 2013 Thanks, B.E. and thanks for your help on the backstay question I posted in the rigging forum. Mark Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
the learner Posted March 27, 2013 #81 Posted March 27, 2013 Mark, I do not know if the plans were ever published, but I could follow up if you are interested. Quote Cheers, GuyThe LearnerCurrent Member NRG,SMA Current Build: HMS Triton 1:48 on line
SJSoane Posted March 29, 2013 Author #83 Posted March 29, 2013 Hi Guy, I would be interested if you don't mind looking into it. And thank you Runner63, I appreciate your comment. I spend a day putting in more carlings and ledges. I had to re-do one space between beams, because I originally put in two rows of ledges and they were too close together to match the texture of the rest of the deck. So out they came, and a single row went in. Good thing I am in no rush.... Best wishes, Mark fatih79, Gaetan Bordeleau, Jeronimo and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
Remcohe Posted March 29, 2013 #84 Posted March 29, 2013 Very nice Mark. No rush indeed unless it is to get into the workshop. Remco Quote Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime. Current build HMS Kingfisher MSW 1.0 log click here
SJSoane Posted March 29, 2013 Author #86 Posted March 29, 2013 Hi everyone, Remco, you are so right. The rush is definitely to get into the shop! Last night's photos weren't great. Here is one in the daylight. (my photos seem to be smaller than usual; I'll look into that.) In setting up for the mainmast partners, I discovered that my original hatches and gratings were not sized correctly. So in the spirit of re-doing, I am working on a more systematic way of doing gratings. Each one needs to be adjusted just ever so slightly in the spacing both ways in order to fit exactly in the correct coaming size. So rather than the usual method of cutting on the table saw, which does not easily allow minute adjustment for each grating, I decided to try it on the mill. Here is my first experiment. The spacing came out perfectly in the test. It is fairly scary turning that big sawblade on the mill without any kind of saw guard. But I needed the diameter to clear the housing of the motor when it indexes over. And I needed to build up a block to get the work at a height that the mill can reach when the Z dimension is cranked all the way down. I wear a big face mask, and stand well to the side... The idea is to cut the spaces between the ledges so that the ledges do not quite fall off the blank. Then I can glue in the battens with the ledges already automatically spaced. Once dry, I will sand the bottom of the grating until the ledges reveal themselves, and then the grating is opened up. At least in principle.... We'll see tomorrow if I can make this work. Mark Elmer Cornish, butch, popash42 and 6 others 9 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
Remcohe Posted March 30, 2013 #87 Posted March 30, 2013 That is a clever way of approaching the gratings. I'll certainly give this a try as my results using the more common way on the table saw were quite poor. Remco Quote Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime. Current build HMS Kingfisher MSW 1.0 log click here
gjdale Posted March 30, 2013 #88 Posted March 30, 2013 Brilliant idea for the gratings Mark. I'll surely be filing that one away! Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
druxey Posted March 30, 2013 #89 Posted March 30, 2013 Brilliant, ingenious and scary! Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
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