druxey Posted January 23, 2014 #391 Posted January 23, 2014 5 years? That sounds about right. We'll keep cheering you on, Toni. WackoWolf 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
dvm27 Posted January 23, 2014 #392 Posted January 23, 2014 Just five years? You're obviously on the accelerated program! Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752
Elia Posted January 23, 2014 #393 Posted January 23, 2014 Oh my! I wish had enough free time for 8-10 hrs/week. These days 8-10 hrs/month is a good month for me. Cheers! Elia I spend 8-10 hours a week in the workshop (aka kitchen counter). Quote Elia Rose Valley, PA Arethusa: 1907 Gloucester Knockabout
tlevine Posted January 24, 2014 Author #394 Posted January 24, 2014 Druxey, I need all the cheering I can get. Greg, I don't have any grandkids taking up my time. Just work, the house, the dog, the horses and keeping the husband in line! Elia, hopefully you'll get more time soon. mtaylor 1 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
tlevine Posted January 27, 2014 Author #395 Posted January 27, 2014 Work progresses slowly on the upper deck framing. No pics this week. The next significant structure to construct is the capstan step. In TFFM this is shown as a roughly rectangular block of wood inserted between the beams and its supporting carlings. On the Atalanta plans there is a ovate structure instead. This would seem to have much less strength than the one suggested by David. I am looking for some help on this one. Is the structure shown on the plan correct? Or is this seated on top of a rectangular step? WackoWolf, Kevin and Elmer Cornish 3 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Dan Vadas Posted January 27, 2014 #396 Posted January 27, 2014 Hi Toni, That's the same shape Lower Capstan Step as my "Vulture". It's the actual step, not an addition on top. Here's the Link to the post in my build log where I made it. Danny WackoWolf 1 Quote Cheers, Danny ________________________________________________________________________________ Current Build : Forced Retirement from Modelling due to Health Issues Build Logs : Norfolk Sloop HMS Vulture - (TFFM) HMS Vulture Cross-section 18 foot Cutter Concord Stagecoach 18th Century Longboat in a BOTTLE CARD Model Build Logs : Mosel Sydney Opera House (Schreiber-Bogen) WWII Mk. IX Spitfire (Halinski) Rolls Royce Merlin Engine Cape Byron Lighthouse (HMV) Stug 40 (Halinski) Yamaha MT-01 Yamaha YA-1 HMS Hood (Halinski) Bismarck (GPM) IJN Amatsukaze 1940 Destroyer (Halinski) HMVS Cerberus Mi24D Hind (Halinski) Bulgar Steam Locomotive - (Modelik) Tanker and Beer Wagons (Modelik) Flat Bed Wagon (Modelik) Peterbuilt Semi Trailer Fender Guitar Restorations for Others : King of the Mississippi HMS Victory Gallery : Norfolk Sloop, HMAT Supply, HMS Bounty, HMS Victory, Charles W. Morgan, 18' Cutter for HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture Cross-section, 18th Century Longboat in a Bottle Other Previous Builds : Le Mirage, Norske Love, King of the Mississippi
tlevine Posted January 28, 2014 Author #397 Posted January 28, 2014 Thanks, Danny. I should have checked your build. It just seems so odd since the shape detracts from the strength and stability of the step. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
druxey Posted January 28, 2014 #398 Posted January 28, 2014 I agree with Dan. Most of the stresses on the capstan spindle would be in a forward direction. This is where the 'meat' of the wood is. It saves weight and is less of a foot hazard than the rectangular style partners. It also demonstrates the variations that are present in different ships of the same class 'as built'. Dan Vadas and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
tlevine Posted January 28, 2014 Author #399 Posted January 28, 2014 Now that makes sense to me, Druxey. When following a 300+ year old plan, it's difficult to pick the brain of the architect. Since there are many things on the plan that are not drawn in but simply assumed (carlings, knees, etc.) I thought this might be another one of those cases...a squarish step with a round base on top of it. Thank you. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
jdbondy Posted February 5, 2014 #400 Posted February 5, 2014 Toni, can you tell me about your photographic setup? A macro lens, I imagine. What kind of light source/flash are you using? You're getting great results. J.D. Quote JD Current build: Schooner Mary Day (scratch) Previous builds: Model Shipways Pride of Baltimore 2, Amati HMS Endeavour, Midwest Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack, Bluejacket America, Midwest Sharpie Schooner
dgbot Posted February 5, 2014 #401 Posted February 5, 2014 Lovely work Toni, it is a shame I wil not be seeing your work up close for a while David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
tlevine Posted February 5, 2014 Author #402 Posted February 5, 2014 J.D., my cameral setup is anything but fancy. I use a Canon T3i camera fitted with the standard lens (18-55mm). I turn on all the lights in the kitchen, hold my breath so I can use shutter speeds of 1/60 and hope for the best. Sometimes I use the built-in flash but that normally gives me too much shadowing. Needless to say, I take 4-6 shots of the same thing and save the best one. A macro lens is on my "someday" list, along with a mill, a disc sander, a Jim-saw... David, see you in a few months. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Remcohe Posted February 6, 2014 #403 Posted February 6, 2014 instead of holding your breath you can get a cheap tripod and have long shutter times without the risk of movement. I used to do it your way, but since I got the tripod taking pictures with greater field of depth is a lot easier. Remco Quote Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime. Current build HMS Kingfisher MSW 1.0 log click here
druxey Posted February 6, 2014 #404 Posted February 6, 2014 Of course, if you can afford the Cloud version of Adobe PhotoShop, the latest update has an impressive correction of motion blur feature as well as an advanced photo sharpening app. A tripod is much more economical, though, as Remco suggests! Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
tlevine Posted February 6, 2014 Author #405 Posted February 6, 2014 You are absolutely right Remco. In fact, I have a tripod in my car trunk and on occasion I do use it. Just lazy I guess. Also, the dog has knocked the tripod over in the past (thank goodness the camera was not mounted on it at the time) and once I open it up I tend to leave it open the rest of the day. The dog is on vacation this weekend with the husband, so I will drag it out of car. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
tlevine Posted February 6, 2014 Author #406 Posted February 6, 2014 Druxey, your post passed as I was responding to Remco. I'll go with low-tech. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
jdbondy Posted February 6, 2014 #407 Posted February 6, 2014 Well, you are getting good photographic results in my opinion. I agree that it takes some work to figure out a good flash setup without causing tons of shadows. Fortunately, I'm able to use a macro lens on my Nikon D80, and with the tiny built in flash it adds enough light without shadowing. That also enables me to use an f-stop of 11. The flash attachment is way too powerful. JD Quote JD Current build: Schooner Mary Day (scratch) Previous builds: Model Shipways Pride of Baltimore 2, Amati HMS Endeavour, Midwest Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack, Bluejacket America, Midwest Sharpie Schooner
tlevine Posted February 9, 2014 Author #408 Posted February 9, 2014 My general approach for fabricating and installing the beam sets has been one complete set at a time. This worked well where there was no curvature of the hull but I had difficulty with the run of the outer carlings at the fore end of the upper deck and decided to change my approach as I neared the stern. I set out all of the beams and tack glued them in place. I then drew fair lines for the outer carlings. The deck beams were removed as I worked on them, only mortising the outer carlings. The carlings were then tack glued without gluing the beam. This continued until the last two beams. The transom knee abuts the for end of the transom and extends along the hull just past beam 20. It is set down on to the deck clamp and "bolted" to the frames and transom. The last two beams are mortised into the transom knee. The pictures show the run of the lateral carlings. No finish shaping or sanding has been done yet. I broke off the port counter timbers (again!) and just stuck it back on so that area looks out of whack. I will probably have to remake it when it comes time to make the counter. SailorGreg, gjdale, Elia and 19 others 22 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
druxey Posted February 9, 2014 #409 Posted February 9, 2014 Nice strategy for the carlings, Toni. Might I suggest a cross-spall or two across the outer counter timbers to reinforce them for now? That way, you might avoid snapping them off, which - as you've discovered - is so easy to do. robbl 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
dgbot Posted February 10, 2014 #410 Posted February 10, 2014 Nice work Toni, but it does look a little on the fragile side. You must have a delicate touch. I am afraid My ham fist would do to much damage. Great work. David B shiprookie 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
tlevine Posted February 10, 2014 Author #411 Posted February 10, 2014 Druxey, suggestion well taken...and done. David it really isn't all that fragile except for this area and the stem. I have broken this off several times already and until now it was good enough because this is the side I intend to plank. So far the stem has been unscathed. WackoWolf 1 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
tlevine Posted February 24, 2014 Author #412 Posted February 24, 2014 It has been a few weeks since the last update. Not that much has been accomplished because of that four letter word...work. I have all of the carlings temporarily installed, as well as the ledges between the carlings. I am still adjusting the height of the last two deck beams. The transom knee was made overly thick and now the top of the beams is lower than the top of the knee. The knee will be sanded down once I am happy with the fair run of the deck. Beam set 16 is completed. Only six more beams to go! The bracing across the outer counter timbers has been removed for the pictures. I decided not to build any more structures that stand proud of the deck until the deck is completed and sanded fair. The main mast partner kept getting bumped when I was truing the middle part of the deck. This should make sanding easier. SailorGreg, michael mott, harvey1847 and 21 others 24 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
druxey Posted February 24, 2014 #413 Posted February 24, 2014 Looking very ship-shape there! Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
tlevine Posted February 26, 2014 Author #414 Posted February 26, 2014 Thank you Druxey and thanks everyone for the Likes. The rest of the lodging knees have been cut out and I hope to get a few sets of hanging knees installed this weekend. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
EdT Posted February 26, 2014 #415 Posted February 26, 2014 Nice work, Toni - very very nice work. Ed 554360836 1 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory
Mirabell61 Posted February 26, 2014 #416 Posted February 26, 2014 It has been a few weeks since the last update. Not that much has been accomplished because of that four letter word...work. I have all of the carlings temporarily installed, as well as the ledges between the carlings. I am still adjusting the height of the last two deck beams. The transom knee was made overly thick and now the top of the beams is lower than the top of the knee. The knee will be sanded down once I am happy with the fair run of the deck. Beam set 16 is completed. Only six more beams to go! The bracing across the outer counter timbers has been removed for the pictures. I decided not to build any more structures that stand proud of the deck until the deck is completed and sanded fair. The main mast partner kept getting bumped when I was truing the middle part of the deck. This should make sanding easier. Beam Set 16-2a.jpg Beam Set 16a.jpg Aft Ledges installed-1a.jpg Aft Ledges installed-2a.jpg Beautiful work Toni, I love those joinings as Support structure for the deck Nils WackoWolf 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
Trussben Posted February 26, 2014 #418 Posted February 26, 2014 Very very nice Toni. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
tlevine Posted February 28, 2014 Author #419 Posted February 28, 2014 Ed, Nils, John and Ben thank you. Hope to have some more progress this weekend. What I am discovering is that fitting everything together in these last few beam sets is a logistical challange. Because the hull is tapering, I can no longer slide a beam/knee assembly in to place. Right now the best sequence is of construction is beam-carlings-ledges (to stabilize the carlings and prevent lateral shift)-hanging knees-lodging knees. For final gluing, the lodging knees should be installed before the hanging knees. Finally, the ledges between the outer carlings and the lodging knees are installed. Mirabell61 1 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
druxey Posted February 28, 2014 #420 Posted February 28, 2014 Working in a confined space is a challenge, isn't it? Hopefully all will go well and no counter timbers hurt in the process. Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
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