Chuck Seiler Posted May 25, 2020 Share #31 Posted May 25, 2020 I am jealous. I am about the same place but mine is crappy less good. Also, you are doing a better job of documenting. ccoyle 1 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share #32 Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Chuck Seiler said: mine is crappy less good 😂 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share #33 Posted May 31, 2020 Well, a plank here, a plank there -- slowly the work is progressing. Here is the progress to date: Mostly I'm making this post to document for other builders a problem that I have been having with the planking at the stern. I've been running into a lot of trouble with closing the seams where planks overlap -- but only at the stern. Hmm. Here's a shot of the bow: As you can see, everything looks nice and tidy. But now, here's the stern: You can see that there's stubborn gaps forming as a result of needing to bend the planks a certain amount in order to make them align properly. Of course, the close-up photo makes the problem look much worse than it actually is, and a person would have to view the finished model from a very awkward angle to see the open seams, but still I'm finding it rather annoying to try and correct. Two more strakes, then it will be time for the first application of stain. FriedClams, Dubz, Chuck Seiler and 4 others 7 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted May 31, 2020 Share #34 Posted May 31, 2020 Nonetheless it's looking very good, Chris. That's going to be a very attractive model. I'm a bit of a cog freak, so I'm enjoying following this build. Steven mtaylor, Chuck Seiler and Keith Black 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dziadeczek Posted May 31, 2020 Share #35 Posted May 31, 2020 Perhaps, while you pre bend your wet planks to fit the hull, you should also try to edge bend them a bit with your hot iron. Attach (glue) them only if they lay perfectly on the hull - that way you will avoid these gaps. Also, earlier on, you were right with those Polish markings: the letter L in Polish means strona "Lewa" (left) and the letter P means Prawa (right) side of whatever. I still remember my Polish, after leaving the country 40 years ago (!). So, if you have any problems with understanding your instructions, ask me and I'll try to translate this fragment for you, OK? Keith Black, ccoyle, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted June 1, 2020 Share #36 Posted June 1, 2020 The hull looks fantastic, great workmanship. mtaylor and ccoyle 2 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted June 1, 2020 Share #37 Posted June 1, 2020 Looking good! Will you pencil dot your nails later or leave them as they are? Keith Black, ccoyle and mtaylor 3 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moab Posted June 1, 2020 Share #38 Posted June 1, 2020 Looking excellent...Moab ccoyle and Keith Black 2 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted June 1, 2020 Author Share #39 Posted June 1, 2020 13 hours ago, Chuck Seiler said: Will you pencil dot your nails later or leave them as they are? Hadn't thought about it. It would be a lot of work, and I subscribe to the "less is more" school of thought on treenailing. druxey, mtaylor, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted June 1, 2020 Share #40 Posted June 1, 2020 When all is said and done, by the time you get the stain and no pencil dots, the existing 'nails' will be visible but sufficiently subdued so as not to overwhelm the model, like on mine. mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share #41 Posted June 7, 2020 Next milestone reached After eight nine strakes of lapped planking, the instructions call for staining prior to installing stanchions. The Polish name for the suggested stain color wasn't translated, but in the photos it looks something like golden oak. I went instead with golden pecan, which has a redder tone. I like the result. GrandpaPhil, Landlubber Mike, Moab and 18 others 21 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share #42 Posted June 8, 2020 @Chuck Seiler Chuck, I hope you like gluing in false frame extensions! I finished up the starboard side -- all 37 of them. Now onto the port side! Chuck Seiler, mtaylor and catopower 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted June 8, 2020 Share #43 Posted June 8, 2020 For me it is more than 37...or maybe 37 with complications. Since I am having to cut some of the planking pieces and inserting longer planks (see above)(edit...oh wait, this is your log, not mine...see my log for discussion on planks) I need double thick frame extensions at the point where the joint is. So far so good. mtaylor and ccoyle 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share #44 Posted June 8, 2020 41 minutes ago, Chuck Seiler said: I need double thick frame extensions at the point where the joint is. Ah, yes -- I forgot that some are doubled, so really only 34 per side. It went pretty fast, though. mtaylor 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted June 8, 2020 Share #45 Posted June 8, 2020 My decks are wood and I gave them a coat of Wipe On Poly. On my first extension, it stuck to the planks but not the deck. For follow-on extensions, I had to rough up the spot on the deck a little. mtaylor and ccoyle 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted June 8, 2020 Share #46 Posted June 8, 2020 That looks really nice - very well done! Keith Black, mtaylor and ccoyle 3 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted June 9, 2020 Share #47 Posted June 9, 2020 I used Golden Pecan either for the interior or exterior of my PHILADELPHIA. It's a great color...good choice. The nails look good without the pencil dots. Are you staining the interior as well? If so are you using oil based or water based. My concern is for the glu-ability of interior frame extensions and other support lattices. mtaylor and Edwardkenway 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share #48 Posted June 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Chuck Seiler said: Are you staining the interior as well? If so are you using oil based or water based. My concern is for the glu-ability of interior frame extensions and other support lattices. Yes, I stained the interior, though the reverse side of the ply doesn't take the stain as well. I had to go with oil-based stain only because the local stores had a pathetically small selection of water-base colors to choose from. Home Depot had maybe two, and I think Lowe's had none at all, at least not in the small cans. I'm not going to buy a gallon of stain for one model. Anyways, I have not had any problems so far with gluing the frame extensions. Edwardkenway, mtaylor, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share #49 Posted June 11, 2020 Last night I finished installing the frame extensions -- all 68 of them (bleh). No picture at this point, because despite the sheer number of parts, it doesn't represent a huge leap forward in progress. Planking the bulwarks will be the next significant task. Keith Black, VTHokiEE, Chuck Seiler and 4 others 7 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catopower Posted June 11, 2020 Share #50 Posted June 11, 2020 Beautiful work, Chris! I think this puts you, Chuck, and myself roughly at the same stage. Only, I've had a lot of unrelated issue get in the way that's pretty much halted my progress for the past month or more. Hope to get some progress going again, so I don't fall too far behind you guys! Keith Black, mtaylor and ccoyle 3 Quote Clare Hess He's a -> "HE" Current Builds HMS Wolf, 1754 - Shipyard Laser Cut Kit Kitamaebune - Japanese Coastal Trade Ship, 18th/19th Centuries - Woody Joe Kit Atakebune - Japanese Sengoku Period Warship - Woody Joe Kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share #51 Posted June 14, 2020 Next update: Frame extensions and the last planking strake that goes with them completed, along with the remaining interior framing at bow and stern. One issue to look out for, albeit a very minor one, is that the the last three interior frames at the stern had the left and right labels (L and P, in Polish) reversed. Not a big deal, since the parts are identical, but using them as labeled will result in the reverse side of the ply facing out, if that makes a difference to anyone. The fit of the frames isn't as perfect as the next photo suggests; some of the frames extend slightly above the bulwark (how much above depends on how good a planking job one does) and must be cut and sanded flush with the top edge. That takes us through p. 17 of the hull construction. Edwardkenway, Chuck Seiler, GrandpaPhil and 9 others 12 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodolfo Bigoni Posted June 14, 2020 Share #52 Posted June 14, 2020 Very interesting ship and well done work. Rodolfo coxswain, mtaylor, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share #53 Posted June 14, 2020 Upper decks planked and hatchway installed. I had to stain a few bits off the model, so I went ahead and also stained the existing interior framing, along with the last plank that I installed. Looks pretty sharp, I think -- it's kind of growing on me. GrandpaPhil, Dubz, Chuck Seiler and 11 others 14 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted June 14, 2020 Share #54 Posted June 14, 2020 Growing on us as well, Chris! She's looking good. Keith Black, ccoyle and mtaylor 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted June 15, 2020 Share #55 Posted June 15, 2020 That’s looking really nice. Great job! Keith Black, ccoyle and mtaylor 3 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share #56 Posted June 17, 2020 Further progress. I'll call this first shot a pic of the "kinda looks like a windlass thingy," even though I know it's not a windlass. Bit more of the interior bow framing added as well. Heads up @Chuck Seiler: That pseudo-windlass thingy took quite a bit of fitting to get it in there right. I had to remove some material on the starboard side. And I also got the port-side interior bulwark planking done. When I originally did the outer planking, I was a little worried, because they didn't have much in the way of gluing surfaces. But once all of the interior framing and planking is added, the hull is actually quite sturdy. Onward! mtaylor, FriedClams, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted June 17, 2020 Share #57 Posted June 17, 2020 Beautiful work, Chris. That shape is much rounder than I'd ever thought - very suitable for carrying cargo. Steven Chuck Seiler, ccoyle, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted June 17, 2020 Share #58 Posted June 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, ccoyle said: That pseudo-windlass thingy took quite a bit of fitting to get it in there right. The thing up forward? I have seen it described as an above deck, athwartship deck beam...as opposed to the 4 or 5 that are below deck. They all end up sticking out the sides like an old adobe house in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Fore warned is fore armed. I am about a week away from that. mtaylor and ccoyle 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted June 17, 2020 Share #59 Posted June 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Louie da fly said: That shape is much rounder than I'd ever thought - very suitable for carrying cargo. As I mentioned in my log, pretty clunky looking but it did the job. It didn't have to far or fast but it did have to haul the goods. Later, when speed became more important, the length to beam ratios changed. mtaylor and ccoyle 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriedClams Posted June 19, 2020 Share #60 Posted June 19, 2020 Interesting model Chris and you're doing a beautiful job. Nice clean work and I really like the interior framing at the stern and bow. Looking good! Gary mtaylor, ccoyle, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build Pelican Eastern-Rig Dragger Completed Scratch Builds Rangeley Guide Boat New England Stonington Dragger 1940 Auto Repair Shop Mack FK Shadowbox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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