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17 minutes ago, RGL said:

Yep. There is a heap of types of these builds online all saying the bow is out. I disagree after studying the existing photos of her, but the hawser holes are in the wrong place. The kit is a hodge podge of “as built’ and 1942. 

Yep, pretty typical of all these ships where there is a plethora of conflicting information, they had to make some choices and they seldom get it completely right..... But they try....

At least we have the basic ship in hopefully the correct configuration for some of it life.... Some manufacturers/designers can't even get the basic hull shape correct....

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On 3/6/2021 at 5:02 AM, RGL said:

Yep. There is a heap of types of these builds online all saying the bow is out. I disagree after studying the existing photos of her, but the hawser holes are in the wrong place. The kit is a hodge podge of “as built’ and 1942. 

Looking at the Tribal Class (1935 and 1936 Programmes) chapter in British Destroyers by E.J. March, You are not so far off. The bow is curved slightly less, than Trumper's model, but not as much as some tend to define it. Actually, the Trumper kit is actually quite close to the photographs as you stated. The hawseholes are further for'ard and closer to the deck.

 

Zulu was build by A. Stephens, and was the most expensive from all Tribal class destroyers built: GBP 351,135 the others were between GBP 337,000 and GBP 344,000

 

Interesting  detailup set. Let me know when it is available. Still have a third kit in my stash ...

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I can't state with definitive evidence, but the basic hull form of the Tribals look very similar to the later 'Daring' class, to which plan the Aussie Navy's Vampire, Vendetta and Voyager were constructed.  It might be relatively safe to look at the plans of those ships (readily available) to establish the shape of a bow curve?

 

cheers

 

Pat

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I have a lot of fond memories as a child of playing hide and seek with my brother on HMCS Haida, the last surviving Tribal destroyer which was then (late sixties) moored as a museum ship on the Toronto waterfront. They also had a Lancaster on a pedestal nearby; we used to pester mom and dad to take us down there and bring sandwiches for a picnic. Haven't seen Haida for years, since she was moved to Hamilton harbour for some reason.

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7 minutes ago, BANYAN said:

Again Greg, the Daring Class had a steam winch also; probably of the same type.  I have photos of Vampire's capstan if that helps.  Any of the 3D printed steam capstans of that period would work I think.

 

cheers

 

Pat

I would like to see that. I think most ships from the same type from that period would have similar capstans. Although V&W are quite a bit smaller than the Tribal class ships. Development would mainly be in speed and armament which makes differences in these parts unlikely.

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Thanks for the Pen & Sword Books link, Dick. Can't get a proper file from the pdf, 6 very wide pages without content ...

 

OC ... any relationship with this writer: https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/The-Captain-Class-Frigates-in-the-Second-World-War-Paperback/p/17798 ?

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1 hour ago, cog said:

Thanks for the Pen & Sword Books link, Dick. Can't get a proper file from the pdf, 6 very wide pages without content ...

 

OC ... any relationship with this writer: https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/The-Captain-Class-Frigates-in-the-Second-World-War-Paperback/p/17798 ?

Could have been mate  - but mine is made up  after Collingwood from Trafalgar  just for our forum.

 

OC.

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Just to be clear guys, it is not the V&W class but the Daring class I am talking of.  These were the follow-on type to the Tribal and had a very similar hull form.  This is a picy of the steam capstan arrangement on Vampire .  The capstan stayed much the same even after the major upgrades in the late 60's; but, if you can find a picture of the pre-modernisation it might show a more-correct version..

 

Some of the surrounding structure, such as the cable ramps,  drip/oil dam etc may be much diufferent but the steam winch is probably much the same - these were steam driven with the steam pressure dials ev ident in the central (black) box.

 

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cheers

 

Pat

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Time to start on the Zulu hull, apparently the bow is wrong so bash time. @cog did a really nice photo on his bow modification on his conversion of a Tribal. The stern needs work too. The hawser hole is really out of line so I’ll fix that and I’ve flattened the focsle so I intend to scratch a fair bit on that. 

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