Sandra Posted August 26, 2021 #1 Posted August 26, 2021 Hello to all on the forum. I'm a new user, living in Paris, France though originally from England. I'm a translator and am hoping it will be OK for me to ask some questions regarding model-making terminology. Best regards, Sandra tkay11, ccoyle, JeffT and 4 others 7 Quote
Casi Posted August 26, 2021 #2 Posted August 26, 2021 Welcome here Sandra ! 😉 mtaylor, JeffT, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote
bruce d Posted August 26, 2021 #3 Posted August 26, 2021 Hello Sandra, A warm welcome to MSW from Sussez. This is a great place for advice and assistance. Please keep us posted on your project. Regards, Bruce JeffT, Keith Black, Nautical 1 and 1 other 4 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
gagliano1770 Posted August 26, 2021 #4 Posted August 26, 2021 Greetings, Sandra, and welcome! Keith Black, JeffT and mtaylor 3 Quote
JeffT Posted August 26, 2021 #5 Posted August 26, 2021 Welcome to MSW Keith Black 1 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard
mtaylor Posted August 26, 2021 #6 Posted August 26, 2021 Welcome to MSW. Questions are always good. When asking, put the questions into the appropriate sub-forum in this area: https://modelshipworld.com/forum/12-shop-notes-ship-modeling-tips-techniques-and-research/ You'll get more "eyes" seeing it there than here. Keith Black and JeffT 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Jim Lad Posted August 26, 2021 #7 Posted August 26, 2021 Hello Sandra, and a warm welcome to the forum from 'Down Under'. John mtaylor, Keith Black and JeffT 3 Quote
Keith Black Posted August 27, 2021 #8 Posted August 27, 2021 Sandra, welcome to MSW. JeffT 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
Duanelaker Posted August 27, 2021 #9 Posted August 27, 2021 Welcome to the MSW mtaylor, Keith Black and JeffT 3 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS
Louie da fly Posted August 28, 2021 #10 Posted August 28, 2021 Bienvenue! I am not certain whether you want modelling or maritime terminology. There are several online translation resources for maritime terms. I particularly like this one - https://archive.org/details/dictionnairedes00tiregoog/page/n12/mode/2up - it contains very many terms useful in modelling. However, it translates only in one direction - from French to English. But I hope this is helpful. Are you planning to realise a ship model yourself? Steven Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Baker Posted August 28, 2021 #11 Posted August 28, 2021 mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
ERS Rich Posted August 28, 2021 #12 Posted August 28, 2021 Hello and greetings from Massachusetts USA. Feel free to ask a question, and good luck with your project! mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Build Logs: USS Maine, USS Constitution (Hull) Albums: Baltimore Clipper, Sherbourne Cutter, Lackawanna Tug, Eagle Coastal Schooner, Katy Pilot Boat, Sultana Colonial Schooner, Armed Virginia Sloop
Louie da fly Posted August 28, 2021 #13 Posted August 28, 2021 Sandra, you'll occasionally find that there are alternative translations between French and English, of which one is correct and the other isn't. For example the usual translation of the word pont into English is "bridge" - but the correct word for ships is "deck". The "bridge" is a different part of the ship entirely. Another one is bâtiment - the usual English translation is "building", but the maritime one is just "ship." There are quite a few words like this, but as you get into the subject it gets easier. Steven mtaylor, tkay11 and Keith Black 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Keith Black Posted August 30, 2021 #14 Posted August 30, 2021 Sandra, we can use your translation skills in the below discussion. Thank you.......Keith bruce d and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
Sandra Posted August 31, 2021 Author #15 Posted August 31, 2021 Thanks to everyone for the hellos and the links. Have to say I'm amazed by the work you guys (and gals?) do! Keith Black, mtaylor and Nautical 1 3 Quote
Sandra Posted August 31, 2021 Author #16 Posted August 31, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 4:27 AM, Louie da fly said: Hello Steven, No plans to make a ship model myself. I've made mosaics in the past but haven't started model-making. My interest comes through my translation work for the Musée national de la Marine here in France. It's great to be on the forum. It certainly seems like a friendly community and I've had a lot of help and tips already. I'm hoping I'll be able to reciprocate. All the best, Sandra On 8/28/2021 at 4:27 AM, Louie da fly said: Are you planning to realise a ship model yourself? Steven Keith Black, Nautical 1 and mtaylor 3 Quote
Louie da fly Posted August 31, 2021 #17 Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) Hi Sandra, What an amazing job to have! I envy you immensely. I have a smattering of French myself, which has helped me with archaeological reports. Speaking of which, have you any idea of what is meant by the terms aiguilette and carlingot ? (see text below from the report Le Navire Génois de Villefranche in Archaeonautica No. 9). The carlingot appears to be something to do with the carlingue (keelson) but I can't find a definition for it anywhere. Any help gratefully received. Steven Edited August 31, 2021 by Louie da fly Keith Black, mtaylor and Nautical 1 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
G. Delacroix Posted August 31, 2021 #18 Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) Bonjour, Les « carlingots » sont deux pièces placées parallèlement et contre la quille afin de la renforcer latéralement. Les "aiguillettes" sont la pièce supérieure dans la partie supérieure des cavaliers (qui sur ce navire ont une forme particulière). GD Edited August 31, 2021 by G. Delacroix tkay11, uss frolick, Keith Black and 4 others 7 Quote ___________________ Marine et modélisme d'arsenal Website
Louie da fly Posted August 31, 2021 #19 Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) Merci beaucoup, GD. For the English-speakers; "The carlingots are two pieces placed against the keel, parallel to it, for lateral reinforcement. The aiguillettes are the top piece of the top part of the cavaliers (which on this ship have a particular form)". I'm not familiar with the term cavalier, but it seems to be a frame, and so I think the aiguillette must be the top futtock. Steven Edited August 31, 2021 by Louie da fly dvm27, Keith Black, Nautical 1 and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
G. Delacroix Posted September 1, 2021 #20 Posted September 1, 2021 Hello, Sorry, I thought I posted in English. The riders are internal reinforcements comparable to frames but placed on the ceiling. Example of a rider on Le Gros-Ventre: tkay11, Keith Black, dvm27 and 1 other 4 Quote ___________________ Marine et modélisme d'arsenal Website
Louie da fly Posted September 1, 2021 #21 Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) Thanks, mate. Is that first picture you posted from the wreck of the Lomellina at Villefranche? Steven Edited September 1, 2021 by Louie da fly mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Sandra Posted September 2, 2021 Author #22 Posted September 2, 2021 I wouldn't have been as helpful as G. Delacroix! Louie da fly and mtaylor 2 Quote
G. Delacroix Posted September 2, 2021 #23 Posted September 2, 2021 Hello, This drawing comes from the excavation report of the Villefranche ship, which can be consulted here: https://www.persee.fr/doc/nauti_0154-1854_1989_mon_9_1 On page 93. @Sandra: traduire est une chose, connaître en est une autre, à chacun son domaine (Translating is one thing, knowing is another, to each his own ) GD Sandra, Keith Black, mtaylor and 1 other 3 1 Quote ___________________ Marine et modélisme d'arsenal Website
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.