Gaetan Bordeleau Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share #121 Posted January 31, 2014 A little update for this Friday, I did retouch horizontal curving alignment of the tiles for the windows, I still will have to do some realignment. Now working on port and taking pictures give no mercy. On the second picture I draw a red line to show that some realignment will be needed. Nothing is glued yet, so that realignment can be done when necessary. It is easier to see on a picture of the model than on the model itself. garyshipwright, mtaylor, Elmer Cornish and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mau Posted January 31, 2014 Share #122 Posted January 31, 2014 Hi Gaetan, your model is wonderful! I'll follow your posts with great interest. It´s incredible how the light effect modify the colors of the wood. And the photos of the 74 cannons ship are also amazing. The cooper sheathing is superb! Mauricio WackoWolf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 1, 2014 Share #123 Posted February 1, 2014 Gaetan, I like the table. on the shelf is a red English Locomotive, that looks like a Great Western Hall class that was used in the Harry Potter Films. I recognized the type because I grew up 5 miles down the main line from Paddington Station. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share #124 Posted February 2, 2014 Thank you Mauricio and you know that I will follow your posts also. Michael, lucky guy, I like those lines. It was a kit similar to this one: http://www.djhmodelloco.co.uk/prodpage.asp?productid=3047 Gaetan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJSoane Posted February 2, 2014 Share #125 Posted February 2, 2014 Gaetan, You are a master of the craft. There are so many curving, flowing lines in the stern, and all fair together beautifully, Can you imagine how the shipwrights originally conceived of those forms? There must have been some trial and error when building the ship itself. Best wishes, Mark Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share #126 Posted February 2, 2014 Thank you Mark, you understand exactly the idea. In a way the drawing is only a guide, the builder to succeed only needs flowing lines. I do not think that certain lines can be drawn on the first try. In this case horizontal curves are surely established before the vertical ones. Dry fit with the brass nails is a very forgiving way, but even with this, I do not succeed all the parts in the first try, sometimes it easily can go up to 4 or 5 try. Also in this case the thickness change, by example on the first picture, the thickness of the molding changes and in the second picture there are 4 layers to apply, you just have to guess which one you apply first. Finally to add some icing on the cake, there is a lot of discrepancies in the drawings Gaetan mtaylor, garyshipwright, Elmer Cornish and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJSoane Posted February 2, 2014 Share #127 Posted February 2, 2014 Gaetan, Oh my, the close-up and the drawing show that it is even more complex than I first realized! What a masterful job. I am glad to hear that you sometimes make a part four or five times. My reject parts box is overflowing... Mark Jeronimo 1 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share #128 Posted February 8, 2014 Adding 1 part at the time. dnputnam, SailorGreg, Farbror Fartyg and 13 others 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted February 8, 2014 Share #129 Posted February 8, 2014 lovely work Gaetan Nils Jeronimo 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted February 8, 2014 Share #130 Posted February 8, 2014 Masterful work, Gaetan, especialy all those narrow rebates. Jeronimo 1 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share #131 Posted February 8, 2014 Thank you Sirs, This afternnon, I did read some pages about varnish made from simples but efficient recipes, often gum (sometimes incenses) for characteristics and color + oil: varnish. I have interest for a black varnish made with asphalt and tung oil but tung oil does not dissolve well asphalt pigments. Turpentine helps this dissolution and acts as the binder. Hydrocarbon increases the acidity of the asphalt. Is this acidity high enough that it must be neutralize? I do not know. Apparently bee wax acts as a neutralizer, but I did not see any references on Internet. Here is what I saw. Bee wax is use as a binder, it has antibacterial properties and was one as the main ingredient for the mummification. Asphalt was also a ingredient. I did not see any references as neutralizing for acid, to the contray, bee wax contains certain acids. In 2009, a team had a look under the microscope to the varnish used by Antonio Stradivari. His varnish is composed of 2 fine layers. The first one, oil based and the second one, oil and pine resin (probably a form of turpentine) with pigments for the color (visual effect). If anone wants to help to make the recipe he is more than welcome. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted February 8, 2014 Share #132 Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) Asphalt or bitumen in varnishes or other finishes are a problem. These never fully oxidize of polymerize and remain slightly liquid. An example is in old oil paintings and furniture where the bitumen browns form an 'alligator skin' all across the surface. Other earth brown pigments do not do this. Lovely work on your quarter galleries, Gaetan! Edited February 8, 2014 by druxey Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share #133 Posted February 12, 2014 Druxey, as usual you are right, though asphalt aging effect is also interesting. May be some day I will find a replacement. I will have a look at this place: http://www.kamapigment.com/store/index.asp?lang=0&catpage=2401 For now, another turn of the wheel. SailorGreg, dnputnam, cabrapente and 11 others 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted February 12, 2014 Share #134 Posted February 12, 2014 Love the 'melting' effect of those window munions! Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivian Galad Posted February 12, 2014 Share #135 Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) State of the Art! Edited February 12, 2014 by Vivian Galad Quote Current: Red Dragon (modified) by Vivian Galad - Artesania Latina - 1:60 Oseberg (modified) by Vivian Galad - Amati (1:50)Cocca Veneta by Vivian Galad - Corel - 1:70 Finished 15th Century Latin Caravel kit model from Artimanha models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share #136 Posted February 13, 2014 Druxey, another kind of unusual window will be install on the top of this on. Vivian, would you beleive me if I tell you that it is easier to build from scratch than from a kit! mtaylor, Remcohe and WackoWolf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted February 13, 2014 Share #137 Posted February 13, 2014 I think the reason for this is you have total control over the build and you can make sure the measuremnet oare correct and to your standards. David B WackoWolf 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivian Galad Posted February 13, 2014 Share #138 Posted February 13, 2014 Gaetan, David may be right. The freedom to work the kit seems far away from building from scratch, but to get there, too, I think is good to know some things from kit building. But POF is really the work to do, the next step. Yours is beautiful and I love the small scales. 1:24 is a dream to me. Quote Current: Red Dragon (modified) by Vivian Galad - Artesania Latina - 1:60 Oseberg (modified) by Vivian Galad - Amati (1:50)Cocca Veneta by Vivian Galad - Corel - 1:70 Finished 15th Century Latin Caravel kit model from Artimanha models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share #139 Posted February 13, 2014 Vivian and David, Kit is not an oblige way to begin in this hobby. The first important points are the plans. Kits are not so far from scratch. Planking a kit or planking a scratch is the samething, the difference is just that one has more details than the other. mtaylor, IWHARPER, Jeronimo and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex M Posted February 13, 2014 Share #140 Posted February 13, 2014 Hi Gaetan, what a incredible puzzle work on those beautiful galleries! Awesome. Alex Quote Current build: HMS Sphynx, 20 gun ship launched in 1775 at Portsmouth, Hampshire. On the drawing board: HMS Anson, 64 gun third rate ship of the line, launched in 1781 at Plymouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted February 13, 2014 Share #141 Posted February 13, 2014 Simply beautiful work Gaetan - a joy to behold. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivian Galad Posted February 13, 2014 Share #142 Posted February 13, 2014 Gaetan, just some thoughts: As I haven´t that experience with using much of the tools of the craft, a kit makes my path easier. If I had to begin from a plan, scratch, I would have to sort out the wood I would use, where to get them and so on. I know only one supplier for wood here in Brazil, since our common wood shops are a little sparse on catalog. Getting to the tools again, would have to learn how to design the pieces, chose the right tools to cut the wood and be able to get those tools - since the wood from the kits come sorted, the bulkheads pre-cut (on pob) and the instructions to show us what to do next, in my view the kit is easier than the scratch, and while modifying kits I´m learning steps I´ll use on scratch. Sure I could begin on scratch, but would take lots of time to learn some basics, to buy some tools and to achieve some skills. But then, I did nothing on scratch yet avsjerome2003 1 Quote Current: Red Dragon (modified) by Vivian Galad - Artesania Latina - 1:60 Oseberg (modified) by Vivian Galad - Amati (1:50)Cocca Veneta by Vivian Galad - Corel - 1:70 Finished 15th Century Latin Caravel kit model from Artimanha models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share #143 Posted February 13, 2014 Vivian, Skills only come with practice, but I am telling you, Plans are the key to open this treasure. If you want the most detailed plans available, Jean Boudriot is the man. Not only he will provide the good information, but he will do ALL the research for you. If you want plans with methods on how to do it David Antscherl is the man. With the coming of Internet, you have now Forums where many peoples to help you. With organism as Nautical Research Guild you can now have your own private mentor. For wood planking, Hobby millusa.com can provide all the precut wood you need, this means no big power tools to buy. For the tools, the main reason I use a lot of tools is just to go faster. Many tools make the work easier to do, but they are not absolutely essentials. You cannot buy all the tools you could dream the first year you begin to make model ship. To get tools is a long process, before to buy a tool you have to need it and you have to know that it exists then you need the money to buy it. At the end, you chose the way you prefer kit or scratch, but kit or scratch need time to learn the way, the first scratch will always be difficult, but the learning curve will be much faster. When you like to build with your hands, you find the time to do it and for a young person like you, there is still plenty of time in front of you. Vivian Galad, dgbot, gjdale and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted February 13, 2014 Share #144 Posted February 13, 2014 Gaetan I agree with you one hundred percent. To me a good set of detailed plans is crucial to everything I do. I would estimate that at least 80% to 90% of the kits being sold have incomplete plans or the wrong plans altogether. That is why I look for more information. From a museum, archive, photos, the company, etc. On my Benjamin W. Latham I did a lot of detailed research down to the kind of pumps and toggle bolts it used. This is what makes it fun. Many years ago I was asked to build a kit from Dikar. All I remember about the thing was that it was a French frigate. But the entire rigging was all English. And I turned it down. Plans are the key. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share #145 Posted February 13, 2014 David, you are right research, can be very motivating. As you say a good set of detailed plans is the key. A detailed cannon is always nicer to look than a rough cannon shape! mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith Posted February 14, 2014 Share #146 Posted February 14, 2014 Ahh - but how to use those plans is just one big mystery to me so far!!! That is more daunting to me - just where and how to start. I have read about them. I have watched DVD on it - but still it's not 100% clear. But this build s just sensational Quote Current builds: MS Syren HM Suppy Dos Amigos Completed: Schooner for Port Jackson MS 18th Century Longboat Bounty Launch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share #147 Posted February 14, 2014 Meredith, I do not know which plans you talk about. Where and how to start? There are many peoples who are ready to help you if you just ask. There are mentor whos can guide you personnally through NRG. There are books written by David and Ed who show you all the main avenues. Answers do exist, and just like flowers are just waiting to be pick. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith Posted February 14, 2014 Share #148 Posted February 14, 2014 Yes I know the answers are there.. I just have to figure what to ask I just find the plans a bit daunting.But like most things - once your take the plunge and start - it becomes much easier. I saw the NRG mentor program - It sounded very interesting. Quote Current builds: MS Syren HM Suppy Dos Amigos Completed: Schooner for Port Jackson MS 18th Century Longboat Bounty Launch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted February 15, 2014 Share #149 Posted February 15, 2014 Hello Gaetan. Very nice build. And I agree with you regarding scratch building. Some people in our local group of modellers struggle to interpret plans and detailed drawings so starting scratch building is not always for the novice. I think that forums like this are a very good help to scratch building. Regards Antony Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mau Posted February 15, 2014 Share #150 Posted February 15, 2014 Gaetan, you are a master! It’s delightful to see your work in progress. I saw that you use small brass nails to secure the moldings in place. After that you glue it using the nails as a guide and simply cut it and do some refinement, or use another type of nail, like copper wire? About plans I can only agree with you. The ANCRE’s monographs plans are very good and precise. And Boudriot’s 74 gun books have the best sketches I’ve ever seen. And Vivian, I also live in Sao Paulo and some years ago, I stood exactly where you now stand, fascinated with the hobby and always wanting to do some more. I built some kits (including a Chinese Junk from Amati) and now I’m building my first scratch POF Les Gros Ventre, since Gaetan has become my NGR mentor, I felt more confident, and with his big help my learning curve sped a lot. As I believe that knowledge must be shared, I can give you some short cuts in terms of tools and woods available in Brazil. Write me a private message, so we can speak in Portuguese. Mauricio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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