Holiday Harbor by popeye the sailor - 1:20 scale - multi build

[mtaylor]

Denis,

 

What Tom said.. . and I'll add:  Go for it!!!

[lambsbk]

Denis you know well the PLAN really is the most time consuming part (and sometimes the hard part) of getting to the desired result. Can't wait to see your plan come to fruition.

Dave

[captainbob]

You're doing what?  Sounds good to me.

 

Bob

[popeye the sailor]

I like your enthusiasm.........thank you gentlemen     I will either start another build log for the ex-tree boat,  or I'll continue it here.......makes no never mind to me.  as long as I don't confuse anyone.

 

disclaimer:   this is not the way to build a hull........proper instruction should be followed elsewhere.

 

it's really not as bad as it looks,  but it does have a form of necromantic appeal.   at this point,  the sides are planked.......I'm going to shape the stern bulkheads and set it up to plank the bottom.   I want to do an indented 'V' bow......it might not be dramatic {I'll take what I can get at this point},  but it will get away from that rounded hull,  that I got with the original kit build.   I'll post the pictures.........first I have to go and take the living room curtains down.

 

DOOUUUGGH!   >stupid manual labor.............*

[popeye the sailor]

OK.........that was fun.....NOT!    I also got enlisted to clean the shower and the bathroom floor.........looks like KP is in my future.   it's Ok.....small tasks       hello Bob     glad your here.........you can watch me butcher another hull     

 

 

back all this up a couple of weeks........can't believe it's been that long since I last posted anything.   pulling out the lobster boat plan {Midwest has it all on one sheet},   the keel was traced out.  instead of cutting all the parts,  I combined as much as I could.   the center spine is two strips of 1/8 flat stock,  cemented together.  I tried to use the scroll saw to cut planking from 1/8 flat stock,  but it didn't go as planned.  the shoe and the bow stem is 1/4 plywood.   the first blunder I made,  was that I cut all the bulkheads from the 1/8 flat stock.........there is not much to pin anything to.   I resorted to using CA for most of the assembly.   making two stern bulkheads will allow me to alter the cockpit deck,  making it longer.   there is also an added rib to support the deck.

 

 

second blunder I found, was in setting up the stern......it looked like it wasn't going to follow the contour of the hull.   I remedied it by flipping these two parts upside down.   it made the sheer line look better,  but I saw later that it made the bottom way out of whack.

 

 

 

then,  i guess,  it depended on the angle that it was viewed..........this is when I saw that I had my work cut out for me.

 

 

it was still early..........I could have changed it back.   but I'm not big on ripping things up........I'll make it work.   the first plank was at the bow.......the wood thickness was a real hinder here.  I got it in place though.

 

 

then,  to square off the cockpit bucket and add the sides.

 

 

 

you can see the rise of the sides towards the stern.......I have to add material there to bring it up.   I'll use the scraps from cutting out the bulkheads,  to do this.   I had some pieces of 1/16 flat stock.......I cut the m to make the fore and aft plank sills,  and started to plank in the cockpit deck.

 

 

I decided that I wanted the transom to be squared.......like a stern trawler   {I got them darn things on the brain},  so I added a piece to one side of each bulkhead.  just as well........I was a little off on their centering too.   this will also make up for it.  there's more..............

 

 

[popeye the sailor]

the stern is in for more adjustments............then the big 'sand down' to shape it.   you may see add-ons here and there....I probably will forget one or two.   I plan on overlay panels for both sides {cockpit and transom} to hide the noncomformaties.

 

 

you will notice that the hull planking doesn't conform to the cabin and bow bulkheads........that's OK.   this will fan out the hull,  for when I do the bottom planking.   I will cobble in some scrap pieces to better attach and hold the form.   the sides are comprised of six plank strakes......seven for the bow.   I am going to alter the cabin bulkhead to create the cabin......there will be no bow sheer.   I have a picture of another boat I'd love to do.........it can be based from the lobster boat hull as well.  it's interesting,  because there is no sheer on the entire boat.  it's called the Nora Jo.   if I can find the picture,  I'll show ya.....it was given to me by Tom Richardson back in the day.   it's still a pipe dream    it can be seen how it allows the hull to fan out  towards the bow stem

 

 

the stern under went more modification.....yes,  it looks scary,  but once shaped,  it will look better.  covered,  one will never know.  another thing I plan to do to this hull,  is give it a couple of coats of resin,  to eliminate the plank lines and really smooth out the hull.   I'm going to try and not use a filler,  but it's doubtful.   so.......here's the Frankenstein stern  

 

 

....and the double wall that I spoke of earlier......

 

 

the deck planking is finished too........according to the pictures,  there isn't much that comprises the helm.    I think I have a few ideas left in the 'ole brain box.  we'll see  

 

[popeye the sailor]

yesterday,  I did manage to reinforce the hull planking to the cabin bulkhead.  it was nice since it's the first time I could use white glue.   I got some more of the scraps from when I cut the bulkheads out.

 

 

one side of the stern has been trimmed off and sanded.   I also hope to lose that notching at the center.   realizing another measurement that I did not take into consideration,  was the width of the hull from the keel.   thinking that the keel might not be centered,  I measured it.........and was relieved to find that both sides measured 3 1/4.  the entire width of the transom is 6 3/4  {1/4 being the thickness of the keel itself}.   good to know  

 

 

these were in the camera........glad I checked.   hope to get more done today  

[cog]

You're in a hurry .. First I thought about a slaughter house, but you got it up and running 100meters in 6s ecs flat ... You look like that roadrunner ... Popeye Roadrunner ... Good luck with the manual labour on the side ... you do not seem to need it on that boat

 

Cheers

[bdgiantman2]

May I suggest the names Reel Firs or Reel Nobles for your tree boat? Keep up your great building, Dennis!

[Omega1234]

Hi Denis

 

OMGeeeeeeee! That's a lot of work, even for just a couple of weeks!

 

All I can say is, "I'm looking forward to this one".

 

All the best.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

Edited May 31, 2016 by Omega1234

[Greg the peg leg sailor]

G'day Denis

As you know. I've been away from your log for a while......I felt like I'm turned on the the TV and starting to watch that very old TV series about different realities......you know the one, where its starts by saying we can control the vertical, the horizontal etc....Damm I can't remember the name of the show.

Well mate, with your great work on the "rusty" hull boat, I thought this might become another Andrea Gail......I was enjoying the details very much and I was amazed by your attention to details, and then you went 180 degrees and started this new hull......

HOW CAN YOU DO THAT? Is your head spinning as well, like mine? I wish I can handle 2 jobs at once, nether mind 4 or 5!

Your are doing a great job mate on ALL of your boats.

Keep us intrigue all the time

Havagooday Mate

Greg

[Greg the peg leg sailor]

I've just remembered the show....THE TWILIGHT ZONE or something similar.

Edited May 27, 2016 by Greg the peg leg sailor

[NenadM]

Show on TV? Why? Here is Denis's show, and we enjoy watching!

 

I have no doubt Denis. It will be brilliant, as always

[lambsbk]

I am voting that it was from "The Outer Limits."

[popeye the sailor]

it was 'the outer limits' Greg...one of my favorite shows back in the day.   the twilight zone,  night gallery,  and the avengers ran a close second     I was really flipp'in the coin on this one.........I was trying very hard not to make any more hulls,  until I finished with these that I have.  I think what made me do it,  was I was weary of working on a boat,  that had no resemblance to what I had seen of the Christmas Tree Boat.  ....and yes,  to have built the Andrea Gail from this hull.......my initial thought when I built the original frame........I found it quite satisfying    keen to note........I didn't do much jumping 'round once I started it either........ahhhhh,  such a good tangent     I thank you all for your kind comments....and to those who hit the like button.   I've made some headway on the transom.......it looks much better now.   there is a little more to do before I plank the bottom part of the hull.   I also roughed out the sheer sides....still to do the transom.  I don't want to put them on yet.......in case I need an access  to the interior.   then I can do the bow cabin......I need to see if there are any more pictures of this boat,  so I can see how it is laid out.   I do have some pictures,  but they are still in the camera.........when I can,  I will post them      more progress soon  

[popeye the sailor]

in my younger days Nenad.........one of my nicknames was 'Dennis the Menace'         another of my favorites too  

[Greg the peg leg sailor]

G'day Denis.

That's right...the outer limits. That's it. A great show as as Dennis the menace.

Memories of our youth.

Havagooday

Greg

[mobbsie]

Hi Dennis,

 

I haven't looked in lately and when I do, what do I get, peppered with wood chips and the sight of yet another keel being laid down.

 

Just go to it mate, I've given up on giving up, if I had a white flag it would be fluttering briskly in the breeze.

 

I wont ask what it is your going for now as I'm sure it will change in the near future once your mind has got a grip on what it is you hope to build.

 

What you've done looks good to me and I'm sure will only get better.

 

Be Good

 

mobbsie

[popeye the sailor]

I do apologize Mobbsie.....I don't want to confuse anyone.   it's just that the direction that the other hull was taking,  I find it better to just let it go,  to turn out the way it's going to.   I think I picked the wrong hull to portray the subject.  I'm not losing a Tree Boat.......I'm gaining a fishing boat    I think once the hull is assembled,  it will make more sense  

 

 

so I looked in the camera finally........dismayed to find only these three pictures though.......I thought I had taken more.  I've done some work to the stern / transom,  bringing it more to the shape it needs to be.   when I get it closer to what's required I can even every thing out and get back to planking the bottom.

 

 

the top line of the transom is leveled out.   later I can cap this out.........I'll most likely plank over it as well.   for the bottom, I made fillers using one of the proceeding bulkheads,  fitting and cementing it in place.  the same was done to the other side as well.

 

 

 

still a bit more to do here...........sanding and shaping

[Greg the peg leg sailor]

Interesting my dear Watson!

[Gerhardvienna]

Hi Denis

 

Alot of work waiting for you, seems to be that!

 

Hi John

The only difference between men and boys is the price for toys

 

Regards

Gerhard

[Kevin]

I am still here watching your progress and turns, been an enjoyable watchable story so far, keep up the good work

[Omega1234]

Hi Denis

As an avid follower of this build log, there's no doubt that it's certainly been a roller coaster ride, and a truly enjoyable one for sure.

I like where the Tree Boat's hull is heading.

Of course, with the original hull, the bonus is that your Andrea Gail will now have a sister, as well.

Nice!

Cheers

Patrick

Edited June 1, 2016 by Omega1234

[flying_dutchman2]

Denis,

WOW, just took me an hour or two to go through this log and boy, is this an ambitious project. Production line?? I am looking forward to the rest of the log.

Marc

[popeye the sailor]

this past week has been a bit of a let down for me.........I haven't been able to get back to the Tree Boat.   I am finding that shaping the bottom the way I want to is going to be a bit of work......I will hopefully get back to her this week     >fingers crossed<  

   thanks to all your kind comments........leave it to me to pick a subject like this.   my choice of hulls wasn't the best either....I think I should have thought of  'application' ,  rather than what I could do with these hulls     still..........I'm glad that you folks enjoy the build,  even though it's turned into more of a trilogy,  than an actual build log.

 

I dunno John.......I think it's a toss up on the exhaust issue.........vent it to the open air,  or vent it below the water line.  venting it  in the water .....one would think that it would not only pollute the water,  but the bubbles rising to the top would burst and vent to the open air.  I've only seen venting below the waterline with pleasure boats and larger outboard motors.  then again....what do I know......I'm a land lubber    

 

hello Marc....glad to have you aboard      if you think this is interesting,  wait till I roll out the Bluenose project.  I'm actually itching to start it,  but the admiral got me the Sergal Thermopylae for Christmas.  she'd be hopping mad if I started to mess with it before then.

 

thanks again everyone........and all who hit the like button.    there is more to come!  

[popeye the sailor]

happy ta say I 'as been to the table today.......some is good........some is not so good.   I yam mak'in progress though and should have a report fer yas ta read soon

 

Edited June 8, 2016 by popeye the sailor

[Omega1234]

Hi Denis

 

Yay! Sounds good, Denis. I'm eagerly awaiting your next update to see where you're at.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[popeye the sailor]

I promised these to you the other day.........but the allure of being at the table {and of course,  errands},  kept me at bay.  I have also been trying to catch up on all the scuttle butt here as well..........I have to say,  you folks are far more busy,  than I am       

 

so........here is where I am.....where I last left off      first,  I figured I'd get all the ducks in a row with the aft bulkheads.  it took a little sanding,  but they are now close to even....all the way back.

 

 

the transom looks a bit better too...

 

 

the cabin bulkhead wasn't conforming well with the contour.   since none of the interior will be seen,  I add fillers for the bottom planking.

 

 

adding two rows to begin the bottom on the starboard side,  I failed to pay attention to the bulkheads meeting with the edge.......you'll see that I add a length of 1/16 strip stock to fill in the nonconformity.   I did some sanding here to see how it would even out.......I do want to keep the edge.

 

 

one thing I didn't do.......that I should have done........was some tapering at the bow.  this in turn caused most of the planking problems at the cabin bulkhead.   it does have a plus though........it gives more to the hull sides,  instead of transitioning to the turn of the chine.   where I didn't install the framing that would create the chine lip {what a way to describe it   },  this might be harder to do.   I'll have to rely on the hull sides to create it.

 

 

now.......I want to do something different with the bottom bow section.   this is where the whole problem is.   not tapering the bow planks is causing the sides to bow outward.   I did taper one of the bottom row planks,  but it's not enough.....I should have started sooner.  I had a thought to cap off the bottom.......but there is still room on the bow stem for a few more rows of planking ,  before the garboard is laid.   I took a 1/16 strip and cemented it inside,  as a shelf for the bottom planking.   I later abandoned this as a bad idea.

 

 

so,  I'm stuck with this at the moment,  until I find a suitable remedy.

 

 

thoughts of cutting the planking away from the stem and adjusting it there.....comes to mind.........but ohhhhhh,  think of the stress.  it may even distort the contour of the bow.   I have another idea that I'm working on.......I'll see if it works out.

    I needed a moral boost....so I cemented the sheer caps on the aft end,  around the cockpit bucket.  I did some sanding after these were in place.........I can bask in the little ray of sunshine       speaking of which.......ya know,  it's been really cool 'round here of late.  the temps have not been that high.  cripes........last week,  we were dying with the heat

 

weather.........she is fickle........AKk--k--k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k!   

 

 

 

Note to self :     "hey moron!  why don't you add the last two pictures!   folks wiill think your nutz!"  

 

 

 

 

yea......that would help,  now wouldn't   dugh!

 

 

 

>never a dull moment at the Wharf  

Edited June 10, 2016 by popeye the sailor

[mobbsie]

Houston Popeye has a problem !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Is it too late to build a Flare into the bow, it would mean reshaping your first bulkhead though. A bit like the old PT boats of WW2. ??

 

Good Luck

 

mobbsie

[Jim Lad]

Sure is looking good, Popeye!

 

John