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Prins Willem 1650 by Michiel - 1:50 - POB Zeeland ship from own plans

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the closest to historically correct is currently the work by Ab Hoving, reconstructing the Pinas described in Witsens book:

 

http://nautarch.tamu.edu/shiplab/AbHoving.htm

 

 

I know about this book from Witsen.  There is a lot Hoving has written about Dutch ship building.  Whenever I am in Amsterdam visiting my mother I scour the antique book stores for Dutch shipbuilding books.  As long as they are not to expensive.

Marc

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Hi guys.

 

At the front I replace the last pieces of plywood frames by the final ones. 50 pieces of bend wallnut

hull22c.jpg

I also made some first deck beams

 

the view from the outside:

hull22b.jpg

 

 

and the figure at its location

hull22d.jpg

 

all treenailed as well.. close to 300

hull22a.jpg

 

have fun,

Michiel

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thanks Mark,

 

You know in this period in The Netherlands they actually made the timber and planking first and than chopped the gun ports out...

 

at the upper deck level the ports are round on this ship, haven a decoration around them like this one:

 

snijsels.JPG

 

Best,

Michiel

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They did it same way in many other countries also.   Still, I left openings for mine to get a saw or file into and it is scaring me at times.  To have a solid wall of wood to cut ports is amazing.  I'm still following you and loving your build, even though I may not say much.

 

Many other had round also, some just had the wreaths, others seem to have what you show.

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Some weeks ago I started working on the guns for the main deck. Here's short impression of the progress and methods.

 

rolpaarden01.jpg

 

 

rolpaarden02.jpg

 

rolpaarden03.jpg

 

As for the wheels, I have been trying for a while to find a satisfactory way to have them both round, centered, and 'ringed'. Here's what I came up with after some experimenting:

 

I guess the images speak for themselves, If not please feel free to ask any question.

 

They are made of pear, 3mm axis, 6mm ring, 8mm total diameter

 

plankjes.jpg

 

gaten.jpg

 

vierkantewielen.jpg

 

asje.jpg

 

voordraaien.jpg

 

nadraaien.jpg

 

wielen.jpg

 

Best,

Michiel

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In the meanwhile most cariages have been put together and all wheels are turned:

 

rolpaarden04.jpg

 

here's one with some tests of fittings seen through a gun port standing on the main hatch:

 

rolpaarden06.jpg

 

and the view in front of the gunport:

 

rolpaarden05.jpg

 

Best,

Michiel

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Michiel

your build is a delight to follow, I had an eye on the "Prins Willem" plan before I decided to go for the Pegasus.

Neat and tidy build, as well as splendid Quality, and handcraftship, shall follow this one further on

 

Nils

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Hi guys,

 

I've been a bit bussy with other thing lately, and wenn I was building it was mainly replicating stuff on starboard that were already done on port, damm symmetry :piratetongueor4:

 

Anyhow, I took some leave from that and made some details. For the interior:

 

a doorway from the cabin to the side.

 

kajuit8-1.JPG

 

kajuit8-2.JPG

 

kajuit8-3.JPG

(for the reference the planking is 5mm wide)

 

 

And some more lanterns for the gun deck:

overloop10.jpg

 

Best,

Michiel

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thanks for the nice words,

 

@ michael, yes its some for of box wood. I got it from a college builder in the Netherlands… , not the high quality I bought once in a wood shop in Arnhem, there is some deviations in the colors but it really machines superb. Clearly if the was a creator of the universe he was not into model ship building else there would be only one type of three's  :D  :D

 

Best,

Michiel

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Hey Michiel,  I've just finished reading your build log,  she's becoming a real beauty. 

 

Those old dutch ships, they surely have a certain charm about them .

 

I like your workshop, wish i had a space like yours to create a similar shipyard.

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Hi guys (m/f) ;-)

 

thanks for all the likes

 

In the meanwhile I also finished the gun port lids on starboard:

 

hull23b.jpg

 

 

hull23a.jpg

 

Since the top and bottom of the ports are, closes to, parallel to the deck but the sides orthogonal to the water line they are all slightly different....

 

As you can see on this picture as well I'm also in the process of putting the bolds in.

they will all take 14 pieces of fittings, I'm about half way making those. Mainly the hinges is taking some serious time.

 

Have fun,

Michiel

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Last weekend I made some more progress on the guns for the main dek:

 

Fabrication of the axes:

rolpaarden07.jpg

 

A final sanding and painting of the rolpaarden:

rolpaarden08.jpg

 

Mounting the axes and a first dry fit:

overloop11b.jpg

overloop11a.jpg

they seem to line up at the correct hight, I've seen the go wrong in a lot of first scratch builds...

 

Now there is still a whole bunch of fittings to be made. And casting the barrels.

 

Have fun,

Michiel

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I decided, mainly based on the excellent examples I've seen here to cast the gun barrels from Tin using silicon moulds.

 

with this I also decided that I should than also add all the details. This brings me to the dolphin shaped handles on top. Some barrels have them some don't. The books on the seven provincien all feature them. However all the barrels I know from my birth town Vlissingen, like these:

 

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don't but than again:

 

 

 

these does 

 

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to make it more complicated the drawings from the Adelaar wreck:

 

lopenAdelaar.jpg

 

show them only on the 6 pounder...

 

So I'm trying to decide wether the barrels that have been present on the Prins Willem would have had them and other decoration, or if they would have been as smooth as some of the barrels above. 

 

If any of you has some deep insights please enlighten me….

 

Best,

Michiel

 

(ps the original PW model did not have guns, at least they did not survive…. )

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thanks Mark,

 

that makes sense, at least I don't know any exceptions to that rule… 

 

could it be a casting issue? maybe casting iron does not, at least with the 17th century technology, allow for too much detail?

 

Michiel

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Michiel,

 

There is no "safe rule" regarding guns as they come in very different sizes and makes and it was common practice to re-use guns, but insofar I know there is an "older' fashion of about 1600-1720 where they have cast handles and a "newer" fashion after 1720 when they don't have handles anymore. Actually these handles are somehow superfluous: if they are too thin they can broke if the piece is lifted from them. If they are too thick they add to the weight of the piece; anyway, the piece can be lifted with the rope twisted from under it. Also in the meantime they have gained experience and knew how to cast large iron pieces so it is more likely that the "new style" iron pieces don't have handles while the "older" pieces in bronze have them. As a rule of thumb it would be that smaller, older pieces like stone throwers were cast in bronze and had handles. Bigger pieces were cast in iron and hadn't.  It is actually very confusing as there were surely new ships of around, say, 1750 which may have carried older cast pieces, these generally being the guns of smaller caliber.

 

Hope this helps!

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thanks, it surely does

I think I can at least find out wether the guns on the PW were bronze or iron… her being mid 17th century I think that well enable me to make a decision.

 

Best,

Michiel

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Copied from the 'monumentenarchief'

Beschrijving Standbeeld van Michiel de Ruyter met twee bronzen scheepskanonnen

Standbeeld van Michiel Adriaanszoon de Ruyter. (1841) door L. Royer. Hierbij opgesteld twee bronzen scheepskanonnen, gegoten respectievelijk 1617 en 1622.                
 

(which states that the guns next to Statue of De Ruyter are original ones, cast in 1617 and 1622, cast in bronze)

 

The others are dating back to the French time I guess. (at least, they look very much like the French guns in fortresses of Den Helder and Texel. (shorter guns, thicker walls, and no decorations at all.)

 

Jan

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I think there is some influence there from the general styles in art and architecture of the period.  The older pieces being more highly decorated.

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Thanks for the contribution guys,

 

at least now the question is reduced to wether the pw had bronze or iron guns, not clear at the moment.

 

for now I'll assume bronze.

 

here's my first attempt at carving them:

 

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I assume that by leaving the opening closed by a thin wall, so that the silicone will not completely encircle the handles I will actually be able to cast them...

 

If someone as has a reason to beleave other wise please let me know ;-)

 

Best,

Michiel

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Yet another bit of carving..

 

snijsels-2.JPG

(that's a half a mm tip pencil on the back and a 1 euro cent piece)

 

 

this is the decoration for one of the arched ports at the back.

 

she has so many decorative work, that I just keep making pieces as I go along, in order to mix the jobs a bit

 

Best,

Michiel

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Hi guys, 

 

Here's a new carving sub project I started. For the fun of it I keep track of the process here's the first set of pictures:

 

hek1-a.jpg

 

hek1-b.jpg

 

hek1-c.jpg

 

hek1-e.jpg

 

hek1-f.jpg

 

hek1-g.jpg

 

hek1-h.jpg

 

hek1-i.jpg

 

More later,

 

Best,

Michiel

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