chris watton Posted September 16, 2013 #331 Posted September 16, 2013 With Christmas coming up again did you ever get the fife fishing boat into production? I shall ask about that when we go over there next month - I have nothing to do with release dates or how and why new kits are released when they are - I just do the design and development which is then handed over to Amati. I then begin the next one and have little clue as to where the completed developments stand by way of release dates. The only clue I get is when I am contacted to check over the final versions of plans/instructions/parts lists. This is how I know the Revenge is next to be released. Jaxboat 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook
archnav Posted September 16, 2013 #332 Posted September 16, 2013 Holy Moly Chris ! I do also prefer greater scales for being able to show every detail accurately. I think that the 1/64 scale is a perfect one for all ships with big dimensions. For the smaller ones is 1/32 a perfect scale. Having in mind that this model is huge and you are right when saying that maybe half as much as the Vanguard kit will be sold, many Victory-lovers will take unneeded furniture out of their living roomes to make place for this one All the best, Thomas (from Bavaria, Germany) muggebigge and Jaxboat 2 All the best, Tom (sapere aude)
Jaxboat Posted September 16, 2013 #333 Posted September 16, 2013 Chris I cannot imagine transporting your masterpiece 1000 miles in a van . Remember what happened to the "Kings Men" during an analogous transit with Humpty Dumpty . How will you prepare your gem for the journey ? Best Jaxboat WackoWolf 1
Kevin Posted September 17, 2013 #334 Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Chris I cannot imagine transporting your masterpiece 1000 miles in a van . Remember what happened to the "Kings Men" during an analogous transit with Humpty Dumpty . How will you prepare your gem for the journey ? Best Jaxboat i have a plan to help him, i am going to get him to send mine, so it does not matter if it gets damaged in transit, meanwhile - i will surprise the wife by completing my build over night, and give it to her as a surprise Edited September 17, 2013 by Kevin st george and WackoWolf 2 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
chris watton Posted September 17, 2013 #335 Posted September 17, 2013 OK, finished! Well, almost - still needs a figurehead and carronades, but apart from that, it is done - now I have months of PC based work to look forward to. Sorry about the quality of the pics (and background) - we can now renovate the room with nice oak flooring and putting some colour on the walls (and changing those awful curtains..), now that I have just vacated the space. Will be taking it at the end of October - have to admit that it doesn't seem that big now, after having it around for so long - almost become part of the furniture. Need to find a nice sturdy base to attach it to.. riverboat, realworkingsailor, st george and 11 others 14 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Kevin Posted September 17, 2013 #336 Posted September 17, 2013 so you take the build over, what happens to it then, do they display it, use it for the posters/etc, or do they just give it to me? Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
joemo Posted September 17, 2013 #337 Posted September 17, 2013 Thanks Chris for keeping us informed. I sold my Corel Victory kit on ebay and will wait for this kit It will never look like your masterpiece when completed. Thanks Again Joe granta 1
chris watton Posted September 17, 2013 #338 Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) so you take the build over, what happens to it then, do they display it, use it for the posters/etc, or do they just give it to me? LOL, you will have more fun building one - you haven't finished your Victory yet - you don't want another, your wife will kill you! It is going over because Amati actually own the model, and of course, they take professional pictures for box art and other promotional stuff. Thanks Chris for keeping us informed. I sold my Corel Victory kit on ebay and will wait for this kit It will never look like your masterpiece when completed. Thanks Again Joe Thank you Joe. You could make the kit every bit as good, if not much better than the one I made. One thing I do notice on some threads is that some areas seem to be rushed, especially hull prep and painting. If you take your time on this area - fill, sand, fill,sand etc, prime the hull to see where the rest of the imperfections are, and go through it all again until most if not all imperfections/cracks are gone - and then for good measure, do it one last time, the end result can look great - even if you make a hash off the planking (as I usually do...). This does take time, as does the painting - and masking for this particular model. I am sure I spent more time preparing the hull and masking than any other aspect. Always take your time, never rush. If you're not happy with what you've just done, simply start that area again - this happened several times to get the yellow/black bands correct, or, as correct as they can be to my eye. For a kit like this (or ay other, TBH), never employ a 'That'll do' policy, and the end result is something you and others will be very happy with. Edited September 18, 2013 by chris watton mtaylor, freewheelinguy, Kevin and 7 others 10 Vanguard Models on Facebook
mtaylor Posted September 17, 2013 #339 Posted September 17, 2013 Will be taking it at the end of October - have to admit that it doesn't seem that big now, after having it around for so long - almost become part of the furniture. Part of the furniture? Hate to say it but that beast IS furniture. And above and beyond just plain cool. Beautiful job sir, my hat is off to you. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
druxey Posted September 17, 2013 #340 Posted September 17, 2013 Congratulations on completing this magnum opus, Chris. She looks very impressive. Jaxboat 1 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Jaxboat Posted September 17, 2013 #341 Posted September 17, 2013 Beautiful model, Chris. Truly a beautiful work of art. Congrats Jaxboat
Jaxboat Posted September 17, 2013 #342 Posted September 17, 2013 Chris, Can you share her finished dimensions with us? Need to start planning the room addition Seriously, how big is she? Best Jaxboat
chris watton Posted September 17, 2013 #343 Posted September 17, 2013 Cheers guys So glad it's finally finished - no more modelling for at least 6 months now. The dimensions are approximately 1600mm long x 1200mm high x 560mm width (including main stun sail booms). I must try to weigh it. Jaxboat 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook
WackoWolf Posted September 17, 2013 #344 Posted September 17, 2013 In inches it is 62.99 X 47.24 X 22.04. Now this is going to be one big F%%%%%% Ship, a person might need to add on to the house LOL LOL. But I am saving my money as we speak. DAM that is big. . Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
Rustyj Posted September 18, 2013 #345 Posted September 18, 2013 Hi Chris, Great job and I want it! I want It! I want it! WackoWolf 1 Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
st george Posted September 18, 2013 #346 Posted September 18, 2013 Congrats Chris She looks great. I'd like to see her in a box on my door step now. WackoWolf 1 David Current Build : HMAV Bounty - Amati Next Build : 18th Century Longboat
Kusawa2000 Posted September 18, 2013 #347 Posted September 18, 2013 Chris: Congrats on a fine "prototype" :-) When I heard there was going to be another Victory developed I was a bit cynical that it would be different from the other "Victorys" out there.. I was wrong. She is definitely a unique model from the other kits out there and it will definitely be a "must buy" on a lot of modelers lists.. Congrats again. And Im impressed on how quickly you got her completed! wow.... Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild
merlinmk3 Posted September 19, 2013 #348 Posted September 19, 2013 Nicely done Chris. Much as I would love something this size, she who must be obeyed is against it. If it as good as 'Pegasus', which I am currently doing, there should be no problems in Amati selling the kit. Have you considered doing 'Warrior' or is she to modern? Mick Pallas
Padeen Posted September 19, 2013 #349 Posted September 19, 2013 Well done Chris! I still have trouble realizing that she is actually as long as I am tall... Hum... This kit will be a pleasure to build, I'm sure. By the way, have you settled on your next design after your well-earned half-year pause? Padeen (Adeline) "When there is a will, there is a way" Completed build: Le Camaret - Constructo - static wood 1:35 (build log, gallery) Current build (very limited modelling time at the moment...): HMS Fly - Amati/Victory Models - static wood 1:64 (build log) Projected build: HMS Victory - Chris Watton's design - static wood 1:64 (when available..., no rush!)
amateur Posted September 21, 2013 #350 Posted September 21, 2013 Something smaller and Dutch ? Jan Sjors 1
chris watton Posted September 23, 2013 #351 Posted September 23, 2013 Chris: Congrats on a fine "prototype" :-) When I heard there was going to be another Victory developed I was a bit cynical that it would be different from the other "Victorys" out there.. I was wrong. She is definitely a unique model from the other kits out there and it will definitely be a "must buy" on a lot of modelers lists.. Congrats again. And Im impressed on how quickly you got her completed! wow.... Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Thank you, Mike. I have written before that I was not looking forward to designing yet another Victory. I have built many Airfix versions, the Panart version and had completed designs for the 72nd scale version 12 years ago. I realise that things have moved on a lot since then, and I most certainly wasn't prepared to re-tread old ground - boring for me, and a let down for the modeller who chooses to buy one. It was probably the Airfix Victory that got me fascinated with ships from the age of about 8. I have recently bought some Tamiya plastic models, a Spitfire, Mustang and the Airfix 24th scale Mosquito. I know that there are many super-detailing kits to improve the already great level of detail. Some may quite rightly argue that most of the detail cannot be seen when made, but it's there nonetheless and this is where plastic modelling is going, so why not try it with predominantly wooden model kits, rather than simple 'block-models' - in which each new model is nothing more than an 'identi-kit' design of the previous models we build? I didn't want to give the illusion of full gun decks, I wanted the decks to actually be there, and when looking through the stern windows, I wanted to see the decks, not a wall of plywood, so the little boy in me could look through any opening and see detail - if the detail is there in a top of the range £100 Tamiya Spitfire kit, I feel it should also be there for a top of the range £800+ wooden kit - anything less is now unacceptable to me, as a modeller and designer. With this in mind, Victory designs began, after learning lessons from the Bellona prototype - if it's really no different to the sea of other Victory offerings, then what would be the point - people would justifiably state that they could do just as good a job on a £200 kit, rather than splashing out 3-4 times as much - this is the problem with 'block' models, there's only so far you can go. I will still leave out very minor details, like flags for the flag lockers and deck furniture. I believe that most like to add their own stamp of personality to the model and get enjoyment from this aspect, to truly make it their own, so deliberately omitting minor detail is intentional - I am stone cold sure that there will be many interesting and more detailed models made from this kit than my 'bare' prototype - I just hope I have eliminated as much as possible the more boring aspects of building the model.. Nicely done Chris. Much as I would love something this size, she who must be obeyed is against it. If it as good as 'Pegasus', which I am currently doing, there should be no problems in Amati selling the kit. Have you considered doing 'Warrior' or is she to modern? Mick Pallas Cheers, I have considered the Warrior, but concluded that it wouldn't be a great seller. Wrong period. While there will always be a few that want this model, the bottom line is that not enough would ever sell to justify development time and money. The only good sellers for this period are the elegant clipper ships - for military though, anything post Napoleonic seems to garner little interest. (I'm not saying there's no interest, but not enough to justify developing a kit) Well done Chris! I still have trouble realizing that she is actually as long as I am tall... Hum... This kit will be a pleasure to build, I'm sure. By the way, have you settled on your next design after your well-earned half-year pause? Wish I did have a half year pause, I have another 6 months on Victory, but it's all PC based.... Am hoping I can either do Prince or the Leda class frigate next. Something smaller and Dutch ? Jan ..or something small and Dutch... pnevrin, freewheelinguy, Padeen and 1 other 4 Vanguard Models on Facebook
freewheelinguy Posted September 23, 2013 #352 Posted September 23, 2013 Chris, I have enjoyed reading this thread immensely. Thanks for taking the time for all the valued information and the pleasure it was to see this wonderful kit evolve. I vote for the Leda class frigate. Yours sincerely, Len Happy modeling, Len Current build: HMS Bellerophon semi-scratch from plans of Victory Models HMS Vanguard Drydock: MS Constitution Completed builds: MS AVS, scratch built Syren, Victory models HMS Fly
Beef Wellington Posted September 23, 2013 #353 Posted September 23, 2013 Another vote for the Leda class Chris if I may, I would have thought options for Shannon or Trincomalee would have wide interest (although I'd love to see a Unicorn option with the rounded stern, I suspect that would not be practical). Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
amateur Posted September 23, 2013 #354 Posted September 23, 2013 As said before, I would vote for something like this one (Gouden Leeuw, as drawn by Van de Velde) in a 1:96 scale All kits tend to be "HMS-ships".... Sjors, Kevin, mtaylor and 3 others 6
Kevin Posted September 23, 2013 #355 Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) As said before, I would vote for something like this one (Gouden Leeuw, as drawn by Van de Velde) in a 1:96 scale All kits tend to be "HMS-ships".... lol i might seriously tempted to build that, even though i have said i will not build another 1st, 2nd, 3rd 4th rate ship again - just a cross section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Van_de_Velde_Gouden_Leeuw_cut.jpeg <a data-ipb="nomediaparse" data-cke-saved-href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dutch_ships_in_the_roadstead_of_Texel_(the_" href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dutch_ships_in_the_roadstead_of_Texel_(the_" gouden_leeuw'_of_cornelis_tromp_in_the_center)(ludolf_backhuysen,_1671).jpg"="">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dutch_ships_in_the_roadstead_of_Texel_(the_'Gouden_Leeuw'_of_Cornelis_Tromp_in_the_center)(Ludolf_Backhuysen,_1671).jpg Edited September 23, 2013 by Kevin maddog33 and edmay 2 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
Kusawa2000 Posted September 24, 2013 #356 Posted September 24, 2013 If we are throwing ideas out there for the next kit Im still a ole vanguard on the Bellona project Chris had worked on earlier... it is a kit that I would line up in the rain for! Im still holding out in hope of seeing that one released sometime down the road Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada mtaylor and JeffT 2 Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild
JeffT Posted September 24, 2013 #357 Posted September 24, 2013 If we are throwing ideas out there for the next kit Im still a ole vanguard on the Bellona project Chris had worked on earlier... it is a kit that I would line up in the rain for! Im still holding out in hope of seeing that one released sometime down the road Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Me too! Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard
chris watton Posted September 24, 2013 #358 Posted September 24, 2013 I love the Van De Velde drawings - one of my favourite and most treasured of books is Frank Fox's Great Ships - The Battle fleet of Charles II. I used this for reference for a few Prince changes, like the small protruding stern gallery that's not shown on the original model - but I trust the De Velde sketches, I regard them as almost as good as actual photographs for reference. I am seeing Amati soon, so I'll see what's going on regarding future projects... maddog33, st george, Kevin and 1 other 4 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Kevin Posted September 24, 2013 #359 Posted September 24, 2013 I love the Van De Velde drawings - one of my favourite and most treasured of books is Frank Fox's Great Ships - The Battle fleet of Charles II. I used this for reference for a few Prince changes, like the small protruding stern gallery that's not shown on the original model - but I trust the De Velde sketches, I regard them as almost as good as actual photographs for reference. I am seeing Amati soon, so I'll see what's going on regarding future projects... Can i carry your bags? st george, NMBROOK and garym 3 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
merlinmk3 Posted September 25, 2013 #360 Posted September 25, 2013 Chris, A bit off topic, but if you want to see the levels of detail some plastic manufacturers are going to, have a look at the Airfix 1/48th EH101 Merlin Mk 3. This has an amazing 84 decals for the interior of the cabin alone! Having worked on the build these for 29 years there are items that I, and others, did not know existed until we actually checked the aircraft. They don't get much better than this although you can always find something extra to do. Sorry again to other topic readers for drifting away from maritime subjects Mick Pallas Kevin 1
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