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In the absence of anything more specific I think this sounds like a good way forward, Pat. It makes sense that the main course wouldn't have been set when she was under steam. As far as conserving coal goes, it makes sense to use it only when necessary. Getting out of the river into the bay without needing a tug would have been an advantage. Also Port Philip Bay is pretty big, and in the event of a (never materialised) attack it would have been important to be able to manoeuvre as fast as possible to the point of danger without having to rely on the wind. As I understand it, Victoria would have been about the only major warship available at the time, so mobility would have to take the place of numbers. The forts either side of the Rip would have been the other part of the defenses, but if an enemy vessel managed to get past them, Victoria would have been the backup defense. Presumably she would have had enough warning from the fort lookouts to get steam up in time to meet an attack. Steven

Shame about the toe. Look after yourself and I'm sure it will be better before you know it. One thing I like about the Hurstwic site is it's the only place I've seen that shows you what Viking oars looked like. I see the model has shields along the sides. You might be interested in this link - http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/shield/shield.html particularly the section on decoration. Steven

That means you're back to where you were before the problems arose and have a second chance at it. That is good progress (though it mightn't seem like it at the moment). Sorry to hear about the toe. Hope it's all getting better ok. I just came across this link which might be of use to you. http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/manufacturing/text/norse_ships.htm You might already have https://www.vikingeskibsmuseet.dk/en/professions/education/viking-knowledge/the-longships/findings-of-longships-from-the-viking-age/skuldelev-2/ but I'm including it just in case. I haven't chased up on it but you might find it also has links leading from it that give more info. Good luck with it all. Steven

A very good site for Viking ships, not only nails but many other things is at http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/manufacturing/text/norse_ships.htm If those nails/rivets are 3" long you should be able to roughly work out the diameter and head size at 1:50. Hope that helps, Steven

Ironclads! Pre-Dreadnoughts! The list could go on forever . . . 😉 Steven

Me too 😀 Steven

Just beautiful work, Antony. A real joy to look at. Steven

Thanks everybody for the likes (and comments). More tidying up. Superstructure - cutting out the arches in the infill bits and adding the rough cut of the double wale above the green section: The repair to the starboard side of the superstructure is pretty much finished. Still a bit to do on the port side. Adding the end of the wale above the yellow section and trimming the double wale. Still needs a bit of shaping and smoothing off. Cut out the port lids. Main hull -adding the second wale on the port side. (While I want to keep the model as close to the way it should have been had I finished it back in the day, I can't help trying to make the finish of the repairs a little better than the original.) Almost complete on the port side. Still one or more panels to add on the starboard. Steven

Thanks for the likes, and in particular Mark and Alberto for the suggestions. At the moment I'm just going to put the issue of the oars on the back burner, but I think I'll be putting in the "oar racks" as I originally intended to unless I come up with a better explanation/solution for what was done with the upper bank of oars when going into combat. In the meantime, I decided to cut down the parapet behind the lion's head, so the head is more obvious. From Haldon's experiments it's clear that a fair bit of shielding against the heat of the Greek fire was necessary for the siphonator - Haldon's collaborators wore firefighters' outfits or something similar and still complained about the heat. But the lion's head itself should give sufficient shielding where the parapet doesn't. I marked the outline of the lion's head against the parapet: and cut along the curve: Then I had three goes at cutting a curved top timber for the parapet. First time it was a little too short and also I cut it from too thin a piece of wood, so it didn't go far enough back to cover the full thickness of the parapet wall. Version 2 was going great until I cut it out of the block I was carving it in - and cut it too thin again! Tried gluing it back to the piece I'd cut it away from. Didn't work, of course - there seemed to be a chip missing and I couldn't get it to line up anyway. Third time worked well - I took my time, glued version 1 to a bit of wood that was definitely thick enough and using version 1 as a guide carved the concave surface until it matched the top of the parapet smoothly. Cut version 1 off and continued carving until it was the way I wanted it. And glued it into place. The lesson to be learnt - take a break when you need to. Don't grit your teeth and go ahead when all you want to do is throw the whole thing against the wall. Now, I thought I should give the evidence for the whole lion's head thing, It comes from the Alexiad, the biography of Emperor Alexios I Komnenos by his daughter Anna and relates to a naval campaign against the Pisans in 1098-9 AD. [Emperor Alexios ] knew the Pisans were masters of naval warfare and he feared a sea battle with them. Accordingly, on the prow of each vessel he had the heads of lions and other land animals affixed; they were made of bronze or iron, and the mouths were open; the thin layer of gold with which they were covered made the very sight of them terrifying. The fire to be hurled at the enemy through tubes was made to issue from the mouths of these figure-heads in such a way that they appeared to be belching out fire. It looks to be a one-off occurrence, not by any means usual procedure for dromons. So of course almost all modern dromon models and representations, no matter what century they represent, have animal heads on the siphons - some of them pretty inappropriate, and only rarely those of lions. Yes I'm putting one as well, but I can justify my decision . . . on the basis that it looks so cool . . . Steven

Or a quark? Oh, no - that one's already been taken. A squawk? Steven

Well, she's certainly not a topsail schooner or a barquentine. Neither is she a "pure" schooner or barque, but she has elements of both. But despite the gaff mainsails on fore and mainmasts, she has square rig on the first two masts (I'd count the courses in this definition, even if they're "light" - whatever that means) and only fore and aft on the mizzen. If she has to be put in a category I'd agree with grsjax in calling her a barque/bark. After all, if instead of gaffs you had staysails behind the fore and mainmasts there'd be no hesitation in calling her a barque. Otherwise, maybe vossiewulf has the right of it - as Dr Maturin would say, her rig is "nondescript" - in the sense that it has never previously been described. Perhaps a squark? Steven

I wonder if this is the La Fontaine you're after? From 7 December 1716, from the book Memoires pour servir a l'Histoire du XVIII Siecle (Memoirs of the History of the 18th century) by Monseigneur de Lamberty (Volume 9) In the meantime it happened that the vessel La Fontaine Galley asking for a passport to take a load of iron to Gottenburg , Baron de Gortz persuaded the owners instead of payment to take some of the aforementioned passengers on board, to carry them there, and made a contract with them before a Notary. Perhaps your La Fontaine was a galley? That's the only reference I've been able to find. Steven

Not only that, but they're hanging not from their normal fulcrum but from the handles. Rather than just being let go and hanging from their pivot point, they seem to have been moved outboard, almost to the end of the oar. As there are no specific oarsmen shown, I guess we have to assume they're the ones doing the fighting. So they've pushed their oars outward and trailed them in the water, and then got stuck into the hand-to-hand fighting. Maybe the vertical oars in the water stabilise the ship in combat? Other than that I've no explanation for it at all. All seems a little strange. Agreed. That seems to make much more sense than the other picture. How all that applies to dromons, however, is anybody's guess. Steven

Thanks everybody for the likes and the encouraging comments. Mark, that was my original intention - see my post #19 on the first page of this build log - the cross-section shows a row of vertical posts labelled "oar rack" which would "sandwich" the oars lengthwise between the oarbenches and the side of the vessel. To put them anywhere else would cause a lot of tripping over oars for anyone trying to get to and from the oarbenches. On further consideration, and taking into account also the likelihood that as the upper oarsmen doubled as marines, and if therefore they'd stop rowing and pick up their weapons before contact with enemy vessels, the upper bank of oars would obstruct the lower oars if they were just hanging from the oarstraps, I think that after all I'll go back to the original idea. Steven

No worries, Carl. You can buy drill bits in both metric and imperial (inches) here in Oz. Steven

Ahhh, like Captain Cook's axe . . . . Steven

Looks just like a bought one! Seriously, Dick, that's beautiful work, and it really does look like the picture you're basing it on. Steven

More filling in gaps: Port lid for the aft larboard gunport Filling in the last gap on the starboard side upper works: taking the larboard planking down to the waterline, creating the aft gunport of the lower deck Filling in the final gaps on the starboard side upper works: Repairing breakages takes quite a bit more work than building from scratch - apart from anything else, you have to fill in strangely shaped gaps caused by the breakages. Also (at least in this case) the thickness of the wood you're using to repair the damage is almost always different from the original. So once it's in place you need to carve it down flush with the original planking. Or the break is along an angle so you have to trim the replacement piece on an angle so it'll fit in. Or both. Still, it's nice to see it all coming together. Still have to carve out the arches in the infilled areas, and . . . and . . . and . . . Steven

That's really interesting, Dick. A nice bit of detective work on your part. Steven

Beautiful work, Dick. Really enjoying following this build. Steven

More fiddly stuff. Almost complete on the port side above the waterline. Just a little to add beside the gunport, then repair the two broken wales, and it's pretty much done. Many of the gunports were open on the original, but I never solved the problem of making the guns. So rather than make lots and lots of gun barrels, I'm just going to make a few to go in the waist where they're visible, and have the ports closed. New planking panel on the starboard side. Because it's both short and wide (and a little thicker than the original planking) I had to peg it very thoroughly to get it to follow the curve of the hull. And yet more reinforcements at the rear of the superstructure to support the repairs to the rows of arches for the arquebuses and swivel guns. More to come in the fullness of time . . . Steven

Couldn't agree more. I'm looking at doing a Bachelor of Arts degree in history, specialising in Byzantine studies. I realise that's not flavour of the month, but apart from the obligatory "history of the world to 1500 AD", most unis don't touch it at all. But there are plenty of units available in flavour of the month subjects that are hardly history at all. Back to the wreck itself, since they found what could well be the Tudor Rose "figurehead" back in 2014 I think there's a good chance a fair bit of the forecastle could be nearby, and perhaps recoverable. Steven

This is looking so good, George. It's hard to believe you're getting such a quality of detail at such a small scale! Steven

Looking good, Patrick! Steven

Druxey, I'm shocked at you, of all people 😁 Steven