DavidG

Kyak, your galleries look awesome. I was never satisfied with mine, and looking your pictures makes me want to take them apart and do again.

Andrei Kudin demonstrates such device in his video below. It is without any technical specs, but at least showing what can be with basic tools

you can download it from the MK website:

http://master-korabel.ru/index.php?act=item&id=429

nice work on an interesting subject

for the gratings, any of your options may work, while I had success in the past sanding them, by placing sandpaper on the curved deck (with the help of masking tape if needs) then moving the workpiece over it until the required shape reached.

there is also a porthole set at https://scalewarship.com/titanic-portholes , which is - contrary to most of aftermarket items - quite affordable and seems to be a useful addition.

On 6/12/2022 at 7:52 PM, Katsumoto said:

Does any of you have a picture how these cannons were rigged?

you might search for pictures of the Requin online. There are wonderful builds out there,. While that's a French ship, it might be help for you.

one example is below:

https://www.modelships.de/Le-Requin_II/dESC5146.jpg

keep on the good work, 

best,

David

Vallejo cavalry brown has a similar shade, which is acrylic. Used by many modelers for anti-fouling on plastic models.

there is also red oxide primer in tamiya spray can, however that one is lacquer based.

I see your model is an older version, with only partial laser cutting and built up bulkheads. 

I actually built this one ~20+ years ago, it was my first ever wooden ship. I fear I'm not much help on the rigging diagram as of now, but as a first build I was able to manage it through somehow. I'm sure you will as well. When you get to rigging stage, I'm happy to look into the model for specific parts. 

I still love the look of the ship, I find it well balanced between size, sails, rigging, ornaments etc. There are several plastic parts, but it is not difficult to replicate them in wood. Just like the bow area you mentioned.

The task on hand is now to plank the hull. There are several good tutorials on the subject on this site.

But let me have an observation on your build. On the prototype, the quarterdeck bulwarks run parallel to the deck:

at the same time, the bulkheads in this area are short, and if they used as a guide for planking, as they appear to be, the rails will slope downwards. I made the same mistake on my build. The bulkhead tops should be extended, and the planking needs adjustments.

I recommend to take the decal sheet comes with the kit with all the ornamentation, and use it (or it's copy) to check the fit. Then you can avoid the same error I made. I attach a picture of it. Look at the rails. The decals had to be cut. Please don't be too harsh with it:) it was my first ever try;) Actually I may rebuild it sometime with better skills and materials.

good luck for your build.

being a bit tired of the rigging, I wanted do something with wood, so decided to make the gunport doors. These will replace the metal ones of the kit. 

They are 11mm square, made of 2 layers, laid perpendicular. The outer part matches the kit planking, inner part is 1mm walnut strip. Inner face to be painted red.

The problem is, there is already a lot of red on the ship (inner bulwarks, guns, etc) painted 10+ years ago, and the wood stain I used is no longer available. 

By testing different paints, I found one called "glistening blood" in a set I use for miniature painting, which matches the color quite well. On the paper, the color is quite realistic..

I might have my loose rigging lines tied off and 20 gunport doors made by the time you build this.. good luck

making a saddle for the bowsprit

While stepping the masts, I realized the kit didn't supply enough mast foot rings. I used the Occre parts order service from their website which worked very well, and shortly I was sent a whole bunch of the rings, left with several spares. These are actually pretty nice parts, made of boxwood. This came to my mind while thinking on the saddle, and fortunately the size was just right. 

I split the rings, drilled on the mill and installed on the mast.

the MK site shows blocks up to 5mm on their website, I'm not aware of bigger ones.

the Syren blocks above was from 2019, I edited the post to make it clear. They are still very nice and consistent.

for comparison, here is my collection of blocks from different sources. From left to right:

1 -  Master Korabel 3mm pear

2  - Syren, 3mm boxwood (2019 version)

3  - Hismodel, 5mm walnut

4 - old kit block. to be fair, the kit is already built and the worst bits were left over. the concept is still visible, square cuts in brittle wood

5 - Occre 5mm boxwood

All of the aftermarket blocks are great. I tend to prefer EU sourcing due to shipping and tax. The MK blocks are really good, but found their availability is less consistent. That's why I went for the hismodel ones for the larger sizes, and I'm pretty much satisfied with them.

But the Occre ones are not bad either, they are uniform, cut from good quality wood, and with some rework they can be made acceptable. The problem is there are no variety of sizes, so some upgrade will be still needed, with the involved inconsistency of blocks on the model.

On 5/20/2022 at 8:14 PM, chris watton said:

even for just 30 kits worth, that is 34,000 blocks and deadeyes

Chris, just out of interest.. how do you pack that amount of blocks to your kits? do they come already counted and sorted from the supplier? I can imagine, it can be a nightmare..

Based on your work, you will have no issues with plank bending. Just dont forget to do some serious fairing of those front bulkheads.

good luck

in the recent weeks I added most of the rigging to the main mast, and started to permanently belay the lines. This is the point where my lack of forward planning make some problems, I did not use the kit rigging plan, but neither installed the belaying points from the Petersson book. So I have to do it having a lot of rigging already attached, making some tasks unnecessarily difficult.

I had to work around several lines to attach the shroud cleats for the topgallant lifts. 

Then I moved to the bow section, and made the spritsail yard. Coming to the end of the yard making, I learned to install properly sized clueline blocks; better late then never. This is something I recognized too late, these blocks are small, and I have to live with the bit oversized ones on the other yards. From the upper outside, there are lines for the standing lifts, thimbles for the jibboom guys. Apart from the footropes, cluelines and their blocks from below.

 The spritsal yard in place. Held in place by a sling, and halyard.

Then started to add the fittings to the bowsprit cap, the standing lifts first, they should have thimbles but I omitted them as the ones I have looked out of scale for me. Looking the picture, the port side lashing needs replacement - by eye it wasn't so bad.

Bowsprit horses rigged next, from the cap to the timberheads. These lines hold the netting, used for storing the staysail - it was a fun feature to add, while I choose to use tulle instead weaving the lines.

Robert, congratulations for your first wooden build. You are a fine builder and your ship will be a great model.

As someone, who builds an Occre model for a long time, trying to make it more accurate, let me have some recommendations.

- please consider to change the eyelets in the kit, they are too big to scale. Buy 2 packs of 2 mm Amati copper eyebolts (comes by 100). If you don't want to paint them, heat them up with a torch and immerse in water, they will turn dark brown. They can be easily formed into hooks, should you wish.

- you will need a selection of blocks sizes, from 2 mm to 6 mm. The Occre blocks are not bad for a kit, but there are no sufficient sizes supplied. Going upwards the blocks will diminish in size, also, clueline blocks should be smaller than the ones for lifts and sheets, etc. There are a selection of blocks available at Syren, Vanguard or Hismodel. I tried all of them, being in Europe the Hismodel ones are pretty good and not expensive.

- the same goes for the rigging thread, you can go as far as you want, but consider 4 sizes for standing and running rigging each. Similarly, there is a wide selection to choose from, but standard Amati thread available in different sizes is already a step up and pretty cheap. You need to dye them though, wood stain worked well for me.

- I saw many inaccuracies / simplification in the Occre rigging plan. Don't know how it is for Endeavour, but i found a rigging book, like Petersson's great help. Vanguard Models sells it.

I see the Occre Endeavour is a nice looking subject. By making small and inexpensive adjustments you can make it even better. My build log have some tips for kit bashing, if you are interested.

Keep on the good work,

best,

David

thank you Dave for your words. The kit I'm building is from Occre, not Caldercraft. Overall the hull is pretty solid and goes together well. The materials are not first class, but they are OK for the price of the kit. The kit falls short on detailing and fittings, most of my activities revolve around putting this right (or at least improve them some). For me it's not an issue as I feel like doing some actual modeling. A modeler looking for an accurate scale model to be built from the box may find it lacking. While I never built a Caldercraft kit, from what I see they are on a next level of accuracy, they also provide a bigger challenge to the builder. The Caldercraft Diana is a different ship (a British one), I saw wonderful finished models of it. 

time for an update, I try to do something on the model each day, even very small steps move things forward. 

With persistent work, I made a total mess of rigging lines over the weeks. 

then started to tie off the lines, which I'm currently doing.

this picture shows the rigging around the fore yard, a significant departure from the kit instructions. I followed the Peterson book to make jeers, sling, lashings, etc. An unexpected side effect, the belaying points prepared by the kit instructions doesn't match, and I have to redo several of them.

I tried myself to make a nave line, I never rigged before. It's hard to notice between the other lines, but this one is attached to the trusses, and holds them from above, through a block under the mast top. It's a tricky bit of rigging to run freely between the catharpins and install it on the right side of the main topmast stay (first I made it wrong and had to remove the block from the stay, as I didn't want to disassemble the trusses)

the stern area also taking shape. I knocked off the guy pendants so many times, I just left them unrigged for now.

finally an overall picture of the model as of now:

There is some belaying left, a week of work in my pace, then I move to the bow section. 

This is a very nice example

I vote for the Corel Bellona. There are several build logs here you can check.

A nicely built model indeed.

Occre kits have a simplified design, but don't cost a lot. Fittings usually are not in proper scale and the rigging plans are less than accurate. 

If you are interested in the Endeavour, Caldercraft makes a much more accurate kit. That ship is not recommended to beginners at all though, the hull shape is pretty difficult to plank properly.

I bought these from an ebay store who were shipping from Italy, as VM was out of stock

Master Korabel makes nice blocks in several sizes, including 2mm.

Hi Sonny, you did a great job on the model, I particularly like your work on the head and the shrouds. Very neat.

I build the same ship for a long time, it is interesting, mine is sold under the Occre Diana name, but the model itself seems exactly the same.