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Posted

Nice work, BE, and good save on that gap.  Surely, if there is a warp, it won't be enough to lead to other problems. (?)

 

Looking over your tool setup again, I noticed you had a vacuum hose hooked up.  (And I've often wondered how you took care of the dust in a carpeted work room.)  Does that lead to a shop-vac, or do you have a fully-blown dust-collection system (one of the many, many upgrades I've been craving)?

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

                        Prince de Neufchatel

Posted

Hi Martin,  I only usually bother with the vac if I'm making serious dust; all the Proxxon machines take my Henry vacuum cleaner connection, but I have been toying with the idea of getting the Proxxon version which comes on automatically with the machine.

 

Nor sure Mrs W of the Shires would appreciate industrial grade extraction equipment running around my office cum workshop. :rolleyes: although she likes the idea of the Proxxon cleaner, has visions of using it around the rest of the upper floor, when I'm out of the way I think.

 

B.E.

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Happy new year to you BE!  I haven't been on much lately, but missed your Cheerful project.  Great start already, and even better, you have extra toys to play with :)  Hope you don't mind if I follow along, it's always a treat and a learning experience.

Mike

 

Current Wooden builds:  Amati/Victory Pegasus  MS Charles W. Morgan  Euromodel La Renommèe  

 

Plastic builds:    Hs129B-2 1/48  SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48  Five Star Yaeyama 1/700  Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama  Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32   IJN Notoro 1/700  Akitsu Maru 1/700

 

Completed builds :  Caldercraft Brig Badger   Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle  Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700   Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350

F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72  Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48  Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48  Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72

Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya  Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16

 

Terminated build:  HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn)  

 

On the shelf:  Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits

 

Future potential scratch builds:  HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)

Posted

Thanks Mike and Dave, and belated New year greetings to yourselves. :)

Post 6

That fairing business

Not done much work in the Shipyard since before Christmas, lacking some enthusiasm most probably because one of my least favourite aspects of a build is now required. Fairing seems to go on forever, and there is always the worry in the back of my mind that I may overdo it, and end up having to shim the bulkheads.

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One needs a good supply of sanding sticks for this task and I've added to my supply a curved stick made from a strip of Yellow pine left over from a much earlier scratch build of a twelve gun Brig, put into ordinary for many years and then abandoned due to terminal wood worm.

The wood comes off pretty easily during the bevelling operation, but the devil is as always in the detail of the process.

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I made a simple block jig to support the inverted hull whilst working.

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Once I reached the point where I felt there was a smoothish transition a walnut batten was pinned along the hull at gunport cill level.

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getting there I think, at least on the starboard side.

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The fairing continues, a further batten strip will be added at Wale level, and a third lower down.

 

B.E.

Posted

Looks all neat and tidy B.E.

 

surely it will be a beautiful cutter....

 

Nils

Current builds

-Lightship Elbe 1

Completed

- Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild

"Zeesboot"  heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB  clinker scratch build scale 1:24

Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE  ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild

Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build

Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) 

"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild)
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan 

-"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96  (scratchbuild)

-"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) 

"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)  original was my grandfathers ship

-"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 

"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32

under restoration / restoration finished 

"Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50

Posted (edited)

Looking good. I am just a little bit ahead of you. The fairing itself isn’t too bad since the bulkheads are so close together. A suggestion if I may. If I were to do it over again, when It comes to installing the stern frames. Create some sort of jig so everything ends up where it is supposed to be in regards to alignment. I ended up ripping out the first set and replacing them. I still did it depending upon eyesight and a million measurements. I’m still fussing and tweaking things. I also placed sacrificial supports between the frames to be removed at a later point. This helps keeping things were they belong when fitting the gun ports. It also strengthens the area while fairing. Snapping one will break your heart. Been there. I actually discussed this with Chuck and he agrees. Hope this will lessen some anxiety when you reach that point.

 

Regards, 

Kurt

Edited by Kurt Johnson

Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey

Posted

Snapping a bulkhead extension is no problem at all. Just mate it to a brace that bridges the extension and body of the bulkhead. Placed on the side away from the gun port. Everything will be pretty much removed prior to inboard planking. Have two on mine, quite proud of them really. The bulkheads and profiles set on the shelf for 1 1/2 years and the entire thing developed a twist at the bow and stern. Deviateing 1/16” to the right at the bow and to the left at the stern 1/16”. Took some work, but she’s pretty much dead straight again. Snapping a stern frame is different, they remain exposed and have quite a bit of leverage just begging and pleading to be snapped until planked. Mine laid in wait and pounced on my shirt sleeve, they’re very devious.

 

Enjoy,

Kurt

Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey

Posted

Ah shirt sleeves, the bane of ship modellers, especially when it comes to masting and rigging :rolleyes: I shall take great care Kurt when it comes to those stern frames, a little way off yet I think.

Post 7

Fairing, fairing, and more fairing.

Another day of sand and check, sand and check, and for a bit of light relief, check and sand.

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The test strips seem to be sitting fair across the bulkheads, only the central four bulkheads seem to require no adjustment although they will have the char taken off.

At this point I think I can fit the batten strip to mark the gun port sills.

 

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Seems to run with a fair curve, at least to my eye.

 

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With the port sills marked, the next stage beckons.

 

B.E.

18/01/2018

 

 

Posted (edited)

The Cheerful has a very nice shape to her, which I think you begin to see very early due to the extra bulkheads compared to other kits. Those stern frames aren’t that far in the future.

 

Kurt

Edited by Kurt Johnson

Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey

Posted

Hi BE,

 

Your fairing looks spot on. Very nice.

Rusty

"So Long For Now" B) 

 

Current Builds: Speedwell

 

 

Completed Build Logs:  HMS Winchelsea 1/48   Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross SectionCutter CheerfulQueen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat

 

Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout

 

Posted

Cheers Guys,:)

 

Post 8

Port Sills

I cut some ¼" square strips from some old Boxwood stuff I had to form the sills. The Proxxon Band saw and Surface planer proved very useful for this job.

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More of the stuff was used for the uprights following as far as possible the plan thicknesses, but there were differences in practice.

My approach was to fit the thinner uprights on each port and then using a port width template establish the broader upright thickness.

When it came to the forward port cut outs I allowed extra width and depth to allow for a Boxwood lining.

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I used temporary guide strips for the upright cuts.

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Once the bulk was removed, easily done with razor saw diagonal cuts, I cleaned the bottom with a scalpel blade.

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The port width template can be seen in this shot.

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The  linings were then glued into place.

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The external port fairing now largely done, now need to consider the stern framing.

 

B.E.

24/01/2018

 

Posted
Posted

Post 9

Thinking about stern frames

Before I started on the stern frames I added short bracing sections of Walnut square stuff between those bulkheads not braced by the Port sills.

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The hull is now very stable without any flex in the bulkheads.

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getting the levels right for the outer frames

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attaching the outer frame sections.

These frames are beautifully cut and fit together perfectly.

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Marking the approximate fairing line on the outer stern frames. This method of attaching a pencil stub to a wood strip I copied from Rustyj's Cheerful log, thanks Rusty, it worked a treat.

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More fairing of the outer frames still required, but at this point I added the four internal frames.

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I used a copy of the stern plan to check the set up, not exactly a perfect fit but it did align with frames 'Y' so I took those as the reference points to mark the height of the port frames.

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At this point I think I will fit the port sills and lintels which will add a little stability to the quite fine inner frames.

B.E.

28/01/2018

Posted

Hi B.E.

 

It looks like you've got the stern just right. Very nicely done!

Rusty

"So Long For Now" B) 

 

Current Builds: Speedwell

 

 

Completed Build Logs:  HMS Winchelsea 1/48   Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross SectionCutter CheerfulQueen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat

 

Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout

 

Posted

She`s well under way B.E.,

 

and all the sequences done to date are looking very good...

 

Nils

Current builds

-Lightship Elbe 1

Completed

- Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild

"Zeesboot"  heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB  clinker scratch build scale 1:24

Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE  ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild

Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build

Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) 

"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild)
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan 

-"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96  (scratchbuild)

-"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) 

"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)  original was my grandfathers ship

-"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 

"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32

under restoration / restoration finished 

"Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50

Posted

Hi Steve, of course there is modelling life without Proxxon, just takes much longer by hand, but I would hate to give up my scroll saw in particular.

I do have the Crown wood set for Cheerful, but haven't used any as yet. I have a stock of old Boxwood that I've used thus far for the Port frames, and have some sheet stuff from :- http://www.originalmarquetry.co.uk/category_Saw_Cut_Veneers_3.htm

 

I planked both Pickle  and Pegasus using the Boxwood flat lines from the above company. Very useful 0.7mm thick strips in varying widths up to 10mm, and small square section stuff.

Cheers,

 

B.E.

 

 

Posted

Post 10

Stern ports

The prospect of doing these was quite daunting and I trawled all available logs for photo's and approaches before I started.

My approach was as follows.

I firstly cut the strips for the sills to fit snugly between the frames.

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Allowing for a small exterior over hang to take account of the transom curve, I marked the width taken from the plan, and cut it to size. I worked on the basis that the inner line was square to the frames and that the sill was level to the waterline.

I fitted one and checked it against the plan. With the pva semi set on the first sill I added the second sill, and matched it to the first again using the plan as a guide.

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Checking the level of the sills.

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A section of 'port' sized wood was formed to get the position for the Lintels. This was done once the sills had set.

The lintels were then cut to size and glued into place using the top of the port  'jig' as a guide.

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Both sills and lintels were then sanded to conform to the stern frames.

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The moment of truth, will the plan template fit.

Not really a shot in the dark, I used several copies of the template to check progress as work progressed.

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Seems to fit fairly well.

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Moving onto the Square tuck piece next, then back to a little more fairing and fine sanding.

 

B.E.

31/01/2018

 

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