T78 Norden by popeye the Sailor - FINISHED - Billing Boats - 1:30

[Kevin]

5 hours ago, popeye the sailor said:

hi Kevin,

problems.......which one.......the quest for knowledge,  or the fact that I was in a fog      awwww,  we all have those moments.   I've had ship builds, that I didn't have any problems,  and then there were the ones that gave me nothing but grief.   it's tough doing a scratch build.......I've fared just as well in that arena as well.

   I rarely ever go back to fix things.   I tell this to anyone getting into the medium........build it.....don't look back,  just go forward.   after the second or third model,  look at the first one......they can see their experience rise with each build.   I know though where your coming from.....she's a big lady......you want her to be perfect, I understand.  my admiral gets upset every time she sees me obsessing over things....."it looks good enough!" she says......"move on or you'll never get anything done."  I think it depends on the subject......one subject you might click with more than another........you might have to put more thought into one,  more than another.  I'd like to build a Norske Love.......do I think I'd ever finish her?   I have the Gothenborg sitting in the hallway......it's been there for some time now.

   she's hit the floor a couple of times......I might have to do a total redo.   how about that.....we each have a closet monster    we both know that one of these days,  we'll have to pull those monsters out....and get 'em done without look'in back.   pictures can add time to a build.....I've got over a hundred pictures of the Goth........but that's the problem.......how much detail do you want to add?   the only remedy,  is to set a goal and stick with it.   for this model,  I wanted to expand too much,  I think.  I'm beginning to think that I can't go as far as I would like.  so,  I'm going to settle for the ideas I have and go with it.  we do the best we can with the projects we have on the table.....the next one will always be better that we have ever done.  Don Quixote fights the windmill.......and Sancho shakes his head.

 

I could freeze dry some minnows OC.......would that work?   

Good advice, it does my head in some times, someone recently commented about my 1/72 HMS Fife build about the helicopter,  and the fact that to him it was a time dedicated build, and to my build it was just an accessory 

[popeye the sailor]

hello Lou.......I'll have to look that one up......I have Dumas bookmarked {god...what DON'T I have bookmarked!}.   I believe a plastic version was built not long ago,  by Kpnuts.   I think I'd go for something bigger.....that way I'll use more paint.   I appreciate the suggestion though.......I don't want to enrage the admiral either  

 

I just finished the paint work a short time ago.......I didn't use any of the colors I was going to use.   I just winged it.   I wanted to have the cap rail painted before I posted the progress,  but I can do it tomorrow.

[popeye the sailor]

there is no such thing as a time dedicated build Kevin...any avid modeler knows that!      see....it's right here in the modeler's handbook.....pg 14  "no modeler is to complete his project in a timely manner.  perfection is not a rush job."   there's more,  but I have to power up the magnifying glass to read it.   I think your doing fine,  Rome wasn't built in a day......and the leaning tower of Pizza didn't get that way because someone sneezed.   thanks for liking what I wrote...it's just me   

 

 

darn thing.........I hit submit last night!   it didn't post.......just finished the paint work last night.....wanted to get it on here,  so you all could see it this morning.   oh well......no one spilt their coffee on their keyboard.  

"Jack,  what are you doing?'

"Daddy's making art honey......"

                            the Joker

[zappto]

Sweet ship it will be, nice work going on, really nice to watch!

 

[Mirabell61]

respect Denis,

 

you`re going at a enormous pace with the Norden.....

 

Nils

[SanJoseClay]

Browsing around today for the first time really and note the handle "Popeye". You might be interested in this little shipmodeling poem (yes, there is such a thing!) that I wrote years ago for an NRG annual meeting lecture:

 

 

The Modelist  

In the evening breeze, from our seats of ease,

We holds our court in the bow.

Tho me mates think I’s daft, on art versus craft

On Applied Research I’m a “wow”!

 

When day is done, they has their fun

With a tot of rum in the peak.

Whilst I, if I’s able, I borrows a table

And works on me scarfs for a week.

 

Now I ain’t prolific and I ain’t terrific,

But I gets me little job done.

If I’m hard-pressed to finish, I has me a spinach

And carries on with me fun.

 

‘Cause in The End, I yam what I yam.

                                                            P. Eye

 

[Old Collingwood]

She is looking smart mate,   I like the contrast with the red black and grey,   lovely work.

 

OC.

[Jim Lad]

That hull looks very smart in the new paint job, Denis!

 

John

[Omega1234]

Looking mighty fine, Denis.  I really like the colour scheme!  Now all she needs is a bit of rust and grime to roughen her up a bit.

 

cheers

 

Patrick

[popeye the sailor]

this was odd.....I checked the editor earlier,   and my post was still there.   I noticed that it didn't post last night,  so I did it again,  and it posted.   I came back in here tonight,  and it was still here.......never happened before >shrug<   something for the books,  I guess     thanks for all the kind comments folks....the colors were a last minute decision.   the olive drab looked too greenish to me,  so I went with the flat red......the sea blue is a Billing's color and I had another bout with the airbrush,  in painting what I did of it.  I was going to use flat white on the bow,  but I had second thoughts.....I never really see any other color {aren't you glad it wasn't orange?!}.  after the hull was painted,  I noticed that the sea blue didn't go down far enough......gray still could be seen......so I finished it with a brush.  I was relieved to see that no brush strokes showed up    well,  I'm glad you all liked it.....the scheme didn't shock you!

thanks zappto,  Nils,  John,  and OC......I appreciate the kind word

 

thanks Patrick......I wish I was good with weathering......I'm doomed to be a "Mr. Clean" guy   

 

thanks SanJoseClay.....so,  your responsible!   when I first came here {if you look in the welcome forum},  a fellow chimed in to say hello,  and posted it to me.  I in turn copied it,  and to this day,  I keep it in my archives.   I'm sort of a poet myself......very good writing    I thank you very much and an honor to meet you....I do hope you'll follow along.....I'm not finished yet.   much more to go... I hope you enjoy     I do the laugh too  

[Old Collingwood]

"See  - I knew that Popeye was famous"

 

OC.

[Piet]

That's a stout looking hull Denis - and colorful - I bet she can take the northern seas quite well.

 

Cheers,

[lmagna]

Denis 

 

Not sure what you mean by larger. The Dumas kit at 1/16th scale is almost three feet long at 33". I think I did see somewhere that a model company was making a smaller plastic hull version at 1/40 scale but I have never seen one. I don't know what kind of wood the modern Dumas kit uses but if I remember back in the old days they used pretty much the same kind of wood you are using on your build now.

 

I do like the color choice you have used on this build though, even if there is no orange! 

 

Lou

[popeye the sailor]

I've seen the Dumas kit......I was referring to the plastic version {seen that one too @ Hobby Lobby}.  it's an airfix kit @ 1:72.    one of these days,  I'd like to try a Dumas kit.....like the looks of the PT boat they have.  thanks for the good word my friend   

   on the Nordkap front........I finally got a hit on the fitting kit!  I've sent e-mails to Billing / Danmark and Age of Sails,  but so far,  no replies yet.   last night I tried another search and came up with a place called Premier Ship Models,  based in Canada.   the reply mentioned referring me to someone else,  so I'm waiting on that reply.  I'll see where it takes me  

    thanks Piet and OC!  ....and thanks to all who hit the like button!

 

I didn't get too much done yesterday......made the admiral happy by getting my hair trimmed.  she said I was starting to look like a hippie    we had a major ice storm the other day......everything is coated in ice.  we did have a good amount of snow,  but we had a January thaw and most of it is gone now.  ........and then we get this.....it's quite slippery out there      I was hoping to have this done when I posted the last set of pictures.  I got to the table a bit late last night and painted the cap rails.....touched up the margins.   when I did the scuppers,  I did ding 'em up a little..........but that's alright,  it's a work boat.  when the model is finished,  they'll never be noticed   

I was going to start planking the deck,  but the cap rails were drying.....so I started to look at the pilot house.   I wanted to do it a little bit different.   I like the satin brown,  so I decided to base it as the trim color,  and base it off of that.   I was thinking of a mahogany color,  but it would be too dark.  So, I went with a light color Anegre this strip,  and will do siding on the exterior.   going vertical,  I went with 0.5 x 2 mm wide strip.   I could have gone with 3 mm,  but the 2 mm will fill the fields without having to patch in a smaller width.   I'm not using the supplied doors........I'm going to add a casing and use the punch outs that I had removed.   recall that I had used 1/4 quarter round plastruct for the front corner edges,  since the assembly of the pilot house,  left a gap there.  I will also be using some plastruct 'L' angle for the back corners.  this will box the side fields in and serve as corner moldings.

I stopped here to paint the 'L' corners before I finished the port side.  I will cut the windows out after this has dried.   I plan on using the tinted cello that I've used on a previous project,  since this kit doesn't much in the way of interior detail.  I'd add some,  but the pilot house is rather small and so are the windows.  the port side is filled in now.......when dry,  it can be trimmed and cleaned up.

 

[donrobinson]

Looking good, the colours are great

[popeye the sailor]

thanks Don    I'm continuing with the pilot house at the moment.......should have more a bit later.   got up early this morning....Gibbs got me up for a morning outing @ 4 AM.   I have the supplied deck planking for the ship,  but I'm beginning to wonder if I should do the deck in this color Anegre,  in keeping with the pilot house color.   I might have enough.

 

thanks again for all the likes  

[popeye the sailor]

so.....the port side was trimmed and the edges sanded flush.  the back wall got the siding treatment next.

the starboard side was done next.  the casing for the door was done and painted........then sided.

in keeping with the satin brown for the trim,  the doors and the window frames were painted.  set aside to dry.

the front wall was done last......after it was sided and dry,  the seams that join the segments were sanded lightly to round off the edge look.

since the three walls have had the most drying time,  the windows were trimmed out.

selecting a piece of the tinted cello that I thought would do the job,   the window frames were cemented on it,  and will be cut out when dry.   I was a bit hesitant, but I used CA to cement the frames on.....I was so worried that the fumes would cloud the cello, but it didn't.

while I had the brown out,  I painted the roof.   I'l be working with that pretty soon.   I had cemented the cross strips on during an earlier session.

cutting them out did remove bit of paint....I ended up having to touch them up a little.   taking the side windows and the back window,  they were cemented in place,  using the Testor's window maker.  I opened the new bottle...the old bottle is gone  {horray!}.

the doors were cemented in place as well.   two 10 mm brads make up the door knobs,  and buts of brass rod make up the simulated hinges.

the tinted windows really aren't that dark,  so there will be some visibility to the interior.    not enough though to cause alarm.  I'll get the front windows cased out and then it will be painted over with semi gloss lacquer....trying not to get any on the windows.   I probably should retrace the structure outlines on the deck.   in doing this,  I likely changed the size of the areas..   I should be able to go further today.

 

[Old Collingwood]

Looking smart with the wood on the cabin  gives it more depth and detail.

 

OC.

[Kevin]

quickly coming to life Dennis

[popeye the sailor]

thanks gents......ya caught me!    I cut the front windows out and I'm taking a break.   I saw the pictures Kevin........looks a lot like the Jeanne D'Arc,  except the D'arc has more Heli deck.   wonderful stuff there bud!   

[semorebutts]

I'm loving this build Popeye.  Nicely done!

[Johnnyreg]

Looking good Denis. Love the funky colours and the extra cabin detail. 

Are you adding detail to the inside of the cabin or blanking the windows out? I did neither but not sure what the rules are, oh I forgot you don't follow the rules 

When you retrace the structures on the deck are you going to allow for the boxed area where the float balls go or are you leaving the box out?

 

Cheers

John

Edited January 25, 2018 by Johnnyreg

[samson]

 

Hi Denis, it's an impressive pace you're building with and it looks good

[popeye the sailor]

thanks semore......appreciate the good word  

 

thanks John.......the bin will sit on the deck,  so in between the floats,  the deck can be seen.   I used tinted cello for the windows....the same stuff you would see in automobiles.  it doesn't totally block out the vision,  but the pilot house is so small,  anything put in there would clutter it up. I'm actually surprised that they didn't supply dash parts and a ship's wheel.   when I did the Mary Ann,  I rebuilt the pilot house from scratch,  giving it larger windows....the pilot house here is based the same way.   I mounted the windows out side instead in inside.......a trade off for the siding   

 

thank you Samson....glad to have you look'in in   

 

thanks for the likes folks!        I'll have more soon......I did go further   

[Jim Lad]

What? You don't have working door hinges? 

 

  

 

John

[BANYAN]

Shame, shame - hinges don't work <shock horror>

 

That colour combination with the natural wood looks absolutely great Denis 

 

cheers

 

Pat

[rafine]

Looking really good Denis. I can't wait for more.

 

Bob

[popeye the sailor]

you know what I found out........you don't look into the camera and hit the stupid button,  thinking your shutting it off!

I know......I know........   go through all that trouble with the door,  only to fall flat on my keister.   I'll do better next time........I promise !  thanks for the good word pat and John     the hinges will be the next experiment in the R&D dept.

 

thanks for the kind word as well Bob....you wish is MY command!   

[Ferit]

Very nice Denis,

I'm still surprised that a model become so smooth and shapely from its initial crude and rough aspect.

[popeye the sailor]

yes.....I got right back to work......the admiral wasn't home.......it was quiet.  the front of the pilot house was fleshed out.

all it needs now is some minor sanding and a lacquer coat.   I hadn't had enough of the planking.....so I started on the deck.  usually I begin at the bow.....but this time I though I'd go from back to front.   I'm using an archive pen to simulate the calking.  I have 2 new ones......this is my old one,  that I had filled with India Ink,  when it dried out on m the last time.  it's still alive and kick'in   

of course,  I'm jumping back and fourth between planking and reading logs.......johnnyreg asked about the interior of the pilot house.  as mentioned,  being a small structure,  I'm not going to do much with it.  the tint doesn't darken it enough though...and looking in,  I can see satin brown paint blotches around the doors.  I gave it a coat of flat pale gray.

done with the area behind the pilot house,  I ran two solid planks in the center of the deck,  from the front of the pilot house base,  to the forward structure.  in cleaning out the mast hole,  the planking broke up!  DRATZ!  now what the heck am I gonna do.  there's only one thing that will fix it.....a mast collar!  I cut the bad part off the planking.

I have this strip of wood in the pile on the table...I think it's Obetchi 2 x 6 mm.   a piece was cut off,  a 3/16 hole drilled through it and trimmed to fit between the planking and the forward structure.   I painted it flat pale gray when done.

working my way around the pilot house,  I had to do some fancy cutting to negotiate the base.

I drew lines at most of the bulkheads,  except the few at the bow and stern.......those I'll just run straight {most will be short pieces anyway}.   I figured I'd cheat a little.....I ran a pair of 1 mm strips to the front of the outline for the base.

Once I worked my way to the mid ship,  I wanted to make sure the pattern was right.  so I cut and dry fitted planking to the center plank on one side.....OK.....I'm good.  so I ran the pattern from the center planks.  darned if that 'cheat' didn't come back to haunt me!  for the port side,  I ended up running a 1 mm strip all the way from the base,  to the forward structure.

before I started this area,  I had cemented the mast collar in place.  now with that 1 mm strip,  I should be good,  as it brought the planking flush with the strip I cheated with.  I figured that I'd be doing the same thing with the starboard side.......no,  not exactly.   for some crazy reason,  the 1 mm strip fell short of being flush......you figure I'm using 3 mm thin strips......with the added 1 mm,  it falls short?......OK....fine!   I did some test fitting,  and I ended up using two 2 mm strips together to match up with the deficit.  what I did though,  was mark them for cutting the butt joints,  but when I did the calking,  I didn't do one of the sides, lengthwise.  I did them opposite one another,  and when they were put side by side {cut and butt jointed to follow the pattern},  they almost look seamless.  once sanded,  it may be hard to notice   

thinking about this......I could have done the same thing to the port side,  and it probably would have looked better.   anyway.......I continued with the port side planking.......I did a little more to the starboard side,  before changing sides.  a good portion of the deck is done.......not much more to go.....then a lot more fancy cutting capping in the forward structure.   it's late my friends........I've been up since 4 AM.   I think it's time to hit the bunk  

if only i had thought of that remedy sooner