Ferit Posted September 23, 2013 Author #601 Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) @ Nigel, You have caught a good point my friend... I had referred also Model Mariner, a member who had been building Berlin in scratch, following the plans of course... He had told me that my Berlin's scale seems 1:40... He had checked like ChrisLBren, the original dimensions against the model's. Then the scale approximately is 1:40... @ Keith, Hi Keith, I had shocked by their answer... You are right, with a scale of 1:40, WVH would be huge... @ Mark, Hi Mark, That was one of those days that I was angry with myself, that I was telling to mysellf to stay away from perfectionism... I had thought aloud, sorry to make all of you pay attention... That has happened above its purpose... About the scale problem, after all those comments I decided that in fact, the essential has to be the consistency of the scale between all parts of a model. The scale in one way or another, 1:40 or 1:50, has to not matter. The importance is that for example while the scale of a cannon is 1:40, the figurhead also must have the same scale... In addition to what you said, maybe they want to use some common parts in some kits of different ships... It's another reason of not being a perfectionist... It makes me happy if I know the errors previously rather than I meet them afterwards... Thank you again for your interest... @ Hamilton, Hi Hamilton, Thank you for your thought my friend... That had happened above its purpose... I had thought aloud... Sorry... There are a lot of things to do on my Berlin... I had not bought WVH, as I had been and am a beginner, the price had been determinative... You are right, Corel's parts are good in quality... WVH is their flag ship... And she is a beautiful lady and like my childhood love... Edited October 19, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon NMBROOK and hamilton 2 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
Ferit Posted September 23, 2013 Author #602 Posted September 23, 2013 Thank you very much Ucho for the nice comment... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
ianmajor Posted September 23, 2013 #603 Posted September 23, 2013 Ferit, Now back to your excellent model making! Ferit 1 Quote Ian M. Current build: HMS Unicorn (1748) - Corel Kit Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error.
Ferit Posted September 23, 2013 Author #604 Posted September 23, 2013 Hi Ian, ... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
GTM Posted September 23, 2013 #605 Posted September 23, 2013 Hej Ferit, According to wikipedia the WvH was 40 meters in length http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_von_Hamburg_(1669) When taking this in mind and look at Corels length of the model (1,1 meter or 43” ) I think the scale is not that dramatically far off .. It is app: 1:36 .. Ferit 1 Quote Best wishes, Theo Current Project: Santisima Trinidad -> Build log Finished Projects: Smit Rotterdam -> Gallery
Ferit Posted September 23, 2013 Author #606 Posted September 23, 2013 Hej Theo,Thank you for your interest... After reading your info I checked also these dimensions and ratios... You are quite right, the scale of WVH is app. 1:36... and it's not that dramatically far off... And I could believe now with a good few kits, the scale one way or another is not completely exact... Now that's done... I am happy with the result about ratio... I wouldn't calculate the scales no more... I must just do it, build her!... mtaylor, NMBROOK and lamarvalley 3 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
GTM Posted September 24, 2013 #607 Posted September 24, 2013 Yes !! That's the spirit !!! but i suppose you will finish the Berlin first ? Quote Best wishes, Theo Current Project: Santisima Trinidad -> Build log Finished Projects: Smit Rotterdam -> Gallery
Ferit Posted September 24, 2013 Author #608 Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) Hej Theo, Even if WVH is my chilhood love, I couldn't betray my pretty Berlin... I should do everything I can do with her... There would be nothing for each other to think after us... She has to be finished first... Otherwise she would be left somewhere at the first corner... Edited October 19, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon NMBROOK 1 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
Ilhan Gokcay Posted September 24, 2013 #609 Posted September 24, 2013 Hi Ferit, This is a very good work what you have done here. I would like to tell you that never get disappointed about what the kit companies do offer.But some prejudice is a good way here. Quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ilhan Gokcay In progress: Loreley Steam Yacht 1884 , Scale:1/75 (Build Log) Finished: Matthew 1497, Scale:1/50 (Build Log) , (Gallery) Istanbul Kayığı (Coastal trade vessel of Istanbul) 18 th c. Scale : 1/50, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) Mayflower 1620, Scale 1/60, Scratch built (Build Log) , (Gallery) My FlickR pages (Ship models, build logs, tools, other photos) My Facebook group (Gemi Modelciliği Grubu - Ship Modelling Group) Ilhan Gokcay
Ferit Posted September 24, 2013 Author #610 Posted September 24, 2013 Hi İlhan, Thank you for the kind thoughts which come from a quite complete craftsman, really from a master... You are at ease at the other, parallel fantastic universe of scratch, far away from the anxieties of scales, mistakes etc. of the kits... but in the depth of unnumbered complexities and difficulties of the scratch building... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
Ferit Posted September 27, 2013 Author #611 Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) And a piece of addition... The mouse has been made in this way, instead of piece of wool, I have used piece of wood... I haven't confused the words; wool and wood, it's just a preference... Edited October 19, 2013 by ashiponthehorizon CaptainSteve 1 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
mtaylor Posted September 29, 2013 #612 Posted September 29, 2013 Ferit, I'm looking forward to seeing your mouse as I have everything you've done on Berlin. So WVH will definitely be next? Ferit 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
archjofo Posted September 29, 2013 #613 Posted September 29, 2013 Hello Ferit,today I saw your report on the construction of the frigate Berlin.He is very interesting and shows details of an outstanding performance. Ferit 1 Quote Best regards Johann Video: La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette of 1827 - naval artillery La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - Construction of long boat La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - Construction of the masts La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - 2019 La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - standing rigging - part 1 La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - standing rigging - part 2 La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - standing rigging - part 3 See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com
Ferit Posted September 29, 2013 Author #614 Posted September 29, 2013 @ Mark, Hi Mark, Thank you for your interest in my build and accustomed nice comments... Very appreciated... If it happens, I think my next spousals will be 99% with lady WVH... @ Johann, Thank you Johann, It's a pleasure for me to receive such words from a generous Magister Artium... augie 1 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
Ferit Posted September 29, 2013 Author #615 Posted September 29, 2013 And an indifferent mouse... But I will leave it as it is... ianmajor, Captain Slog, NMBROOK and 2 others 5 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
ianmajor Posted September 29, 2013 #616 Posted September 29, 2013 Ferit, It looks good to me. How big is this mouse? Quote Ian M. Current build: HMS Unicorn (1748) - Corel Kit Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error.
Ferit Posted September 29, 2013 Author #617 Posted September 29, 2013 Thank you Ian, App. 5 mm / 0,2 in... ianmajor 1 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
NMBROOK Posted September 29, 2013 #618 Posted September 29, 2013 Great looking mouse Ferit I can imagine quite a long fiddly job to create. Kind Regards Nigel Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline
mathewp Posted September 29, 2013 #619 Posted September 29, 2013 G'day Ferit, I'm seeing very clean and detailed work. A pleasure to look at. Quote
lamarvalley Posted September 29, 2013 #620 Posted September 29, 2013 Looks like a very fine mouse to me Nice work Ferit! Quote
mtaylor Posted September 29, 2013 #621 Posted September 29, 2013 I see what I think you mean by "indifferent"... <cough> Great work!!!! Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Sjors Posted September 30, 2013 #622 Posted September 30, 2013 Hi Ferit, That mouse is not bad at all ! Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre
Ferit Posted September 30, 2013 Author #623 Posted September 30, 2013 @ Nigel, Mathewp, Randy, Mark and Sjors, Thank you for your nice encouragements... The process of doing this mouse was not easy for me but I am not quite satisfied because I think that the mouse should be like the mouse of Andy (realworkinsailor)'s build... Sorry Andy for the usage of a picture from your log... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
Ferit Posted October 1, 2013 Author #624 Posted October 1, 2013 A shortcut for rigging that I keep using to rig blocks with the ropes 0,5 mm of diameter and below... It's easy to make it and at this scale and thinness it simulates the knots very good in my opinion... http://www.lake-link.com/knots/knot.cfm/100/Uni-Knot/ Sjors, NAZGÛL, augie and 8 others 11 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
hamilton Posted October 1, 2013 #625 Posted October 1, 2013 Beautiful shot Ferit - I love the tone of the wood and with the rigging on it's really coming to life! hamilton Ferit 1 Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch) under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy
Beef Wellington Posted October 1, 2013 #626 Posted October 1, 2013 Great tip on the uni-knot, definitely want to try that. Thanks for sharing. Ferit 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
md1400cs Posted October 1, 2013 #627 Posted October 1, 2013 Ferit. Nice mouse, as we all knew it would be. Love that knot link -- Thanks, R/ Michael Ferit 1 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa -
Ferit Posted October 2, 2013 Author #628 Posted October 2, 2013 Hi Hamilton, Jason and Michael, Thank you for the comments... It would be a pleasure for me if I had found something useful... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
NAZGÛL Posted October 2, 2013 #629 Posted October 2, 2013 Looking great! /Matti Ferit 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa
Ferit Posted October 3, 2013 Author #630 Posted October 3, 2013 Thanks Matti... Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
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