navymast Posted June 5, 2016 #541 Posted June 5, 2016 Hi everyone, And here are the drawings I created from the Admiralty draughts of HMS Dragon, The Bellona's sister ship (the NMM could not find the Bellona drawings when I ordered these back in the 1990s; I don't know if they ever turned up). The xerox copies showed that the original 250 year old drawings were quite distorted and therefore not able to be built from. Also I did not know how I would ever fit a 1/4" scale model of a 74 in my house. So I drew these at 3/16", or 1:64. The Admiralty drawings were very schematic, and so I had to develop all of the details from other standard sources. Mark Good morning, Mark. Question. Floor timbers on models end with this line drawing of the ship. What is this line - deadwood? Sincerely, Vitaly. mtaylor 1 Quote
druxey Posted June 5, 2016 #542 Posted June 5, 2016 Vitaly: That is the stepping line, where the half-frames and cant frame heels rest on the deadwood. It is a shallow ledge, the deadwood continuing upward inside the ship. mtaylor, WackoWolf and daHeld73 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
navymast Posted June 5, 2016 #543 Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Steppind line and bearding line - we are talking about one and the same line? If so, I ask about the other line. It is much higher. Edited June 5, 2016 by navymast WackoWolf and mtaylor 2 Quote
druxey Posted June 5, 2016 #544 Posted June 5, 2016 Stepping line is a zig-zag one (like steps) and was used earlier. In the late 18th century a continuous curved line replaced it - the bearding line. WackoWolf, mtaylor and daHeld73 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
navymast Posted June 5, 2016 #545 Posted June 5, 2016 I understood. Yes you are right. Now I peered closer to the drawing. It is really stepping line. Thank you. mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote
SJSoane Posted September 2, 2016 Author #546 Posted September 2, 2016 Hi Vitaly, Many apologies for not seeing your questions. Work and personal circumstances have taken me entirely away from the shop and website for some time. Thank you druxey, for answering these questions in my absence! I will be retiring in one year, at which time I plan to take up the Bellona again with a lot more time available! Best wishes, Mark PeteB, mtaylor, dgbot and 7 others 10 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
EdT Posted September 6, 2016 #547 Posted September 6, 2016 We all look forward to having you back at the real work, Mark. Ed PeteB, Elia, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory
the learner Posted February 9, 2017 #548 Posted February 9, 2017 Thanks, Mark and Grant. My wife asked me if we would ever see this when the model is done. I explained that the modelmaker of the original 1760 Bellona model is likely looking over my shoulder, making sure I keep standards up... Guy, it is probably late for me at this point. I lofted all of the frames back in the 90s before I started using CAD. And the details are now half a lifetime of research based on dozens of sources. It would be interesting to see someone else's reconstruction of the ship. Are the drawings published anywhere? I am taking a break from the hull for a short time, while I sort out the Byrnes ropewalk and set up a rigging table based on Steel. I have posted a few questions over in Tools and in Rigging. I thought it better to keep these off the build log. Best wishes, Mark A little late but do not think so. a contact for the Rope would be Don Dressel member SMA mtaylor 1 Quote Cheers, GuyThe LearnerCurrent Member NRG,SMA Current Build: HMS Triton 1:48 on line
druxey Posted February 9, 2017 #549 Posted February 9, 2017 Well, Mark, it's nice to know you haven't entirely forgotten either the model or us! mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
SJSoane Posted May 21, 2017 Author #550 Posted May 21, 2017 Hi everyone, I am finally retiring in 5 weeks, and moving to Montana a thousand miles from an ocean, but a few hundred feet from a lake. Hope to have a shop set up in the next few months, and starting again on the Bellona. All my tools have been packed away for moving, and dust has definitely collected on the hull... Mark davyboy, daHeld73, Siggi52 and 8 others 11 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
albert Posted May 21, 2017 #551 Posted May 21, 2017 Hello Mark, I will very much like to continue with your wonderful work. aviaamator and mtaylor 2 Quote
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted May 21, 2017 #552 Posted May 21, 2017 Hi Mark, Retiring means a new life, new habits ... and model ship building. mtaylor and Wintergreen 2 Quote
dvm27 Posted May 21, 2017 #553 Posted May 21, 2017 Congratulations on your pending retirement, Mark. We look forward to your updates. New MSW members are in for a real treat! daHeld73, mtaylor and druxey 3 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752
druxey Posted May 21, 2017 #554 Posted May 21, 2017 You will return and continue Bellona, Mark? Be still, my beating heart! Looking forward to the next instalment. In the meantime, wishing you a safe and hassle-free move. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
SJSoane Posted May 21, 2017 Author #555 Posted May 21, 2017 My immediate challenge is how to transport the hull a thousand miles in a car without damage. First project is to build a crate... druxey, daHeld73 and mtaylor 3 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
mtaylor Posted June 10, 2017 #556 Posted June 10, 2017 Moving isn't a fun project but the results can be. Take your time to move and get set up. I too will be looking forward to your new shipyard and more progress. And welcome to the fun world of retirement. aviaamator 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
SJSoane Posted June 11, 2017 Author #557 Posted June 11, 2017 Thanks, Mark, for the encouragement.Last day of work before retirement is June 27. I can only imagine what it is like to get up in the morning and look forward to going into the shop every day. But lots to do between now and then! Mark Elia, MEDDO, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
mtaylor Posted June 11, 2017 #558 Posted June 11, 2017 10 hours ago, SJSoane said: Thanks, Mark, for the encouragement.Last day of work before retirement is June 27. I can only imagine what it is like to get up in the morning and look forward to going into the shop every day. But lots to do between now and then! Mark I keep wondering what that would be like myself... I am retired. Seriously, retirement is great. capnharv2, davyboy and aviaamator 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
AON Posted June 12, 2017 #559 Posted June 12, 2017 30 November 2018... and counting. aviaamator and mtaylor 2 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
aviaamator Posted June 12, 2017 #560 Posted June 12, 2017 Superb! I like this ship and model! mtaylor 1 Quote
SJSoane Posted June 12, 2017 Author #561 Posted June 12, 2017 Hi Mark, I just heard from a retired friend knowing that he doesn't have to do anything, and by the end of the day it is only half done.😀 Alan, the final 1 ½ years go by way more quickly than I would ever have imagined. You are practically there! Aviaamator, thanks for the comments. I hope it will not be many more months before I have a shop and continuing where I left off on the Bellona. I have been re-reading my earlier postings, to get me in the right mood for starting up again. Best wishes, Mark druxey, Elia, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
aviaamator Posted June 14, 2017 #562 Posted June 14, 2017 And I, too, read the whole Topic! mtaylor 1 Quote
SJSoane Posted October 4, 2017 Author #563 Posted October 4, 2017 Hi everyone, Moving and retiring at the same time took longer, and was more stressful, than I expected. The retiring is great, the moving not so much fun. My new shop is smaller than the previous one, so I had to organize tools as efficiently as possible. Most of the major ones are now on the wall, and I have knee space at last at the power tools. Here are a couple of images. I hope to get back to the Bellona soon! Best wishes, Mark daHeld73, EdT, KARAVOKIRIS and 18 others 21 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
EdT Posted October 4, 2017 #564 Posted October 4, 2017 Welcome back, Mark. I look forward to the renewal of your postings. Nice, well organized shop. This level of order and neatness would probably blow all my fuses. All the best in your retirement and the resumption of Bellona. Ed mtaylor 1 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory
noel_colledge Posted October 4, 2017 #565 Posted October 4, 2017 How long will it stay that neat I wonder? Do you have a gating system for your extraction pipes? Great working area mtaylor 1 Quote Finished builds are 1/35 Endeavour's Longboat by Artesania Latina 1/36 scratch built Philadelphia Gunboat from the Smithsonian Plans Current build is Scratch build Boudroit's Monograph for La Jacinthe at 1/36
SJSoane Posted October 4, 2017 Author #566 Posted October 4, 2017 Hi Ed, I think this level of order was only going to happen one time, when I retired and moved. We will see how long it stays this orderly... Here are a couple of closeups of the wall hanging system, and also the dust collectors. Noel, each has a gate, and all the tools are plugged into a surge protector which is plugged into the Fein dust collector seen under the bench. So any tool turned on and off automatically turns on and off the Fein. Best wishes, Mark mtaylor, aviaamator, egen and 22 others 25 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
druxey Posted October 4, 2017 #567 Posted October 4, 2017 It may be smaller for you, Mark, but it looks like Nirvana to me, especially with a Fein dust collection system! Anyway, welcome back and looking forward to progress reports from you. daHeld73, BETAQDAVE, CaptainSteve and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
mtaylor Posted October 5, 2017 #568 Posted October 5, 2017 Welcome back, Mark. Just add me to the envious observer list. CaptainSteve and EdT 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
michael mott Posted October 5, 2017 #569 Posted October 5, 2017 I was very happy with my own progress, until now. At my age I though I was over being jealous of anything! Your organization of the wall storage of the tools speaks volumes about your mind and why your model is such a wonderful example of workmanship. Jeez....now I'm gonna haf ta rethink my whole shop..... Ed my fuse is already blown. Michael EdT, druxey and mtaylor 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
SJSoane Posted October 5, 2017 Author #570 Posted October 5, 2017 Hi druxey, Mark and Michael, It is nice to be getting closer to starting up again. Finishing up my career, retiring and moving really left the Bellona on hold for well over a year. During the down time, I was given a copy of the book "Virtuoso: The Tool Cabinet and Workbench of Henry O. Studley" (link below has some good images of his tool cabinet): https://lostartpress.com/products/virtuoso This inspired me to rethink my own tool storage, but my efforts are pretty crude next to Studley's tool cabinet. His defies description. Organizing the tools was also a great way of procrastinating, before tackling my gun casting challenges again. Best wishes, Mark Archi, daHeld73, aviaamator and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
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