ccoyle Posted June 6, 2019 Share #121 Posted June 6, 2019 11 hours ago, RGL said: I framed the scenario Ah -- that's the part I missed. I went back and read it. Old Collingwood, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted June 10, 2019 Share #122 Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) Just catching up after my month in the UK and it looks like you have been making some very nice progress Greg. I'll look in a bit closer soon. cheers Pat Edited June 10, 2019 by BANYAN mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #123 Posted June 11, 2019 Back already Pat! That seems awfully quick. Working on the front and back decks, very lite details are on the kit, and the upgrade does not give much more. The rear wooden deck is supposed to be added before painting but I had to cut it down a bit to fit. The rear anchor has a hawser (circles) that does not exist in any plan or photo. Landrotten Highlander, Kevin, hexnut and 5 others 8 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #124 Posted June 11, 2019 I replaced all the anchors with North Star Models German anchors as unlike the kit ones, actually look like anchors. I added anchor chain brakes, a wooden strengthening plank (which was standard to protect the deck from the chain on German ships; most other nations used metal), chain stoppers and capstan handles i now need to weather it a tad, but you can see with the overhang of the deck this will all be hard to see. Landrotten Highlander, GrandpaPhil, Old Collingwood and 13 others 16 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 11, 2019 Share #125 Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, RGL said: very lite details are on the kit, and the upgrade does not give much more. What did you expect with an unfinished ship ... you might want to take a look at her German contemporaries/sisters and figure out what may have been used ... Some severe weathering. She's becoming quite a rust tub, RGL. popeye the sailor, RGL, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #126 Posted June 11, 2019 Pretty much standard equipment really for anchors really. Even Kagero books has a guess and they usually just make stuff up. The Infini Models upgrade has really nice Capstans but nowhere near the details on the other parts such as the catapults. Research i I just can’t find is how the wind defectors on the deck were deployed. Old Collingwood, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 11, 2019 Share #127 Posted June 11, 2019 Wind deflectors? Are you talking about on the foredeck below the flight deck? Might not have had any as there's railings. The only time a crew would be there is when anchoring or tying up. Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and Canute 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #128 Posted June 11, 2019 This is what I meant. This is pretty much all the instructions given. Pretty much like jet blast deflectors. yvesvidal, hexnut, Kevin and 9 others 12 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrotten Highlander Posted June 11, 2019 Share #129 Posted June 11, 2019 Given the fact that the Germans were working on a concept of a jet fighter, I think it is entirely possible that some foreward thinking engineer thought that perhaps these things will one day be used on ships? popeye the sailor, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam Slainte gu mhath L.H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #130 Posted June 11, 2019 No, it predates that by a fair ways. IJN ships had them so I suspect there is some cross training involved. It appears they are pulled up by block and tackle as the blueprints show no mechanics for it. The IJN ships seem to have lattice work underneath them but the DKM has steel under the wooden deck. mtaylor, Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #131 Posted June 11, 2019 No, it predates that by a fair ways. IJN ships had them so I suspect there is some cross training involved. It appears they are pulled up by block and tackle as the blueprints show no mechanics for it. The IJN ships seem to have lattice work underneath them but the DKM has steel under the wooden deck. Canute and cog 2 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrotten Highlander Posted June 11, 2019 Share #132 Posted June 11, 2019 thanks for the clarification ... twice 😁 RGL, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam Slainte gu mhath L.H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted June 11, 2019 Share #133 Posted June 11, 2019 Those "gratings" may have actually been some manner of webbing to snare aircraft or just demarcate the landing zone from the parking area.. The aft deck had to be kept clear to recover aircraft. The elevators in the landing zone couldn't be used to strike aircraft below. mtaylor, cog, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #134 Posted June 11, 2019 So, apparently it could catapult a set amount of aircraft using compressed air but would then have to await the compressors to build up air again but the aircraft could take off normally using a full length of the deck. Apparently it was fully tested and worked. mtaylor, Old Collingwood, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted June 12, 2019 Share #135 Posted June 12, 2019 Not much Draught on her considering her weight. OC. mtaylor, Canute and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share #136 Posted June 12, 2019 So apparently it was supposed to work in the shallow Baltic? You can’t see them but there are manoeuvring impellers under the bow, I cut in the doors but are not visible. also hardly visible, the end of the flight deck (underside) with air tanks for the catapaults. Haliburton, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 15 others 18 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yvesvidal Posted June 12, 2019 Share #137 Posted June 12, 2019 Superb PE assembly. You are a Master at that game. Yves md1400cs, Canute, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 12, 2019 Share #138 Posted June 12, 2019 Actually, the Germans were working on jet aircraft in starting pretty early in the war but Hitler kept delaying it. So it;'s possible that the carrier had some modifications just in case they got the aircraft right. The ME-262 should have been out years earlier. Canute, Old Collingwood, cog and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 12, 2019 Share #139 Posted June 12, 2019 lovely work Greg, i was just reading the me-262 wikki and got side tracked, lots of "what if's" i still dont think i could ever do a 1/350 me eyes would pop out and go to bed long before the rest of me mtaylor, Canute, Old Collingwood and 2 others 5 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share #140 Posted June 12, 2019 If I could find some relevant 1/350 German Helicopters is use them too. There were no end of pipe dreams available mtaylor, Canute, Kevin and 2 others 5 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 12, 2019 Share #141 Posted June 12, 2019 3 hours ago, RGL said: If I could find some relevant 1/350 German Helicopters is use them too. There were no end of pipe dreams available Lol i wont mention a mobile platform for V1 s then, seriously though its a lovely build you are doing RGL, Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share #142 Posted June 12, 2019 Didn’t even think of that! Old Collingwood, Canute and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 13, 2019 Share #143 Posted June 13, 2019 Ah... so it will have jets and guided buzzbombs then. Good thing the Germans weren't working on lasers back then. I guess I should specify that the V1 could be considered an unguided drone? CDW, popeye the sailor, Kevin and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share #144 Posted June 13, 2019 If they made them! There are some shapeways stuff but they are the same price as the whole kit. Canute, CDW, Kevin and 3 others 6 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 13, 2019 Share #145 Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, mtaylor said: I guess I should specify that the V1 could be considered an unguided drone? I would sooner say an unguided missile mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted June 13, 2019 Share #146 Posted June 13, 2019 Very unguided: quite a few landed witin kilometers of the launchplatform Jan CDW, popeye the sailor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted June 14, 2019 Share #147 Posted June 14, 2019 Mark, the Germans were actually working on (possibly using by the end of the war) remote guided bombs also Just mentioning Greg, I have now had a chance to better look at your log and must say that is some pretty impressive PE. This will be a very detailed ship model when complete. Imagination can take you anywhere with her final look noting she was never fully completed so I look forward to your interpretation. cheers Pat Canute, popeye the sailor, CDW and 2 others 5 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 14, 2019 Share #148 Posted June 14, 2019 The Japanese had a guided bomb towards the end of WWII and was used in several of the suicide attacks. Dropped by a Betty as I recall. The thing was actually radio controlled. Since this is a "fantasy" build, why not have actual drones using both technologies. Ok..... I'll get my coat and leave quietly now. Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor, lmagna and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted June 14, 2019 Share #149 Posted June 14, 2019 The Okha or Baka bomb was piloted by a Kamikaze pilot. Scary idea. lmagna, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 14, 2019 Share #150 Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Canute said: The Okha or Baka bomb was piloted by a Kamikaze pilot. Scary idea. The Japanese did something likewise with one man subs, same frightening thought mtaylor, lmagna, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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