victory78 Posted July 19, 2020 Share #31 Posted July 19, 2020 Very interesting boat building, it was certainly not easy to seal this. Greetings Matthias Louie da fly 1 Quote See you soon Matthias Under construction: Scratch-Modell Pilot Boat LS PHANTOM 1868 - Scale 1:50 Scratch-Modell Zeesboot 1920 - Scale 1:20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithAug Posted July 20, 2020 Share #32 Posted July 20, 2020 Very educational Hellmuht, I continue to be fascinated. mtaylor and Louie da fly 2 Quote Keith Current Build:- Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24 Previous Builds:- Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/ Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702 J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029 Other Topics Nautical Adventures http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share #33 Posted July 20, 2020 Thanks for following my log. I have found more literature that is giving me more alternatives. I’ll share it with all of you soon mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share #34 Posted July 21, 2020 Now.... all the frames in their places........ planks being sewed... Binho, Moab, mtaylor and 13 others 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 21, 2020 Share #35 Posted July 21, 2020 Nice progress, Hellmuht. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted July 21, 2020 Share #36 Posted July 21, 2020 On 6/16/2020 at 1:56 AM, Hellmuht Schrader said: Well it sound very simple but.... believe me it is not...... double planking..... the interior is the one that will have “all” the work....V channels (2), battens (8) and frames It took me some time to figure out what you'd done - so rather than an incredibly complicated single-planked system with hidden joints and ropes passing halfway into the planks and out again - what in shoemaking is called a "tunnel" stitch you got really clever and simplified the process, splitting the "solid" planks into two layers each half the thickness, so you have a much simpler sewing job through the inner layer, and cover it with an outer layer of planks with no sewing needed. I take my hat off to you, sir. That's totally brilliant! mtaylor, druxey and Mirabell61 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share #37 Posted July 21, 2020 Really It was not just my idea. Vladimir Herrero made de Cheops barge some years ago. He had the same idea. I just took it and improved a little ..... build first the inner hull finally no channels. I put some reinforcements that made two functions.... reinforce and “channel” thanks a lot for your kind words KeithAug and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share #38 Posted July 22, 2020 23 hours ago, Louie da fly said: It took me some time to figure out what you'd done - so rather than an incredibly complicated single-planked system with hidden joints and ropes passing halfway into the planks and out again - what in shoemaking is called a "tunnel" stitch you got really clever and simplified the process, splitting the "solid" planks into two layers each half the thickness, so you have a much simpler sewing job through the inner layer, and cover it with an outer layer of planks with no sewing needed. I take my hat off to you, sir. That's totally brilliant! Let’s see the backside of the hull..... there we can see the idea I was trying to explain tarbrush, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted July 22, 2020 Share #39 Posted July 22, 2020 The actual ship must've looked like a rag floating on the water with all that rope work. It would be a very flexible hull. Oh well beats swimming I guess. Nice work by the way. My remark is one of imagining the real ship as portrayed by your excellent model. mtaylor 1 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share #40 Posted July 22, 2020 Thanks!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share #41 Posted July 28, 2020 Let’s continue with our project..... To finish the sewed process in the hull, we need to fix the “skates” that will receive the mast...... And.... the mast.... mtaylor, wefalck, rybakov and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithAug Posted July 29, 2020 Share #42 Posted July 29, 2020 I continue to be intrigued and impressed. mtaylor 1 Quote Keith Current Build:- Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24 Previous Builds:- Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/ Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702 J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029 Other Topics Nautical Adventures http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinkman Posted July 31, 2020 Share #43 Posted July 31, 2020 Cool build! It looks really good and it's impressive how you executed such a special hull construction this neatly. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobalt kb Posted July 31, 2020 Share #44 Posted July 31, 2020 Fascinating build. One of the most interesting I have seen in a long time as I have always had a fascination with ancient ships. Will follow your efforts. As a side note, many years ago I lived in Bogota , Colombia and visited Medellin many times. Beautiful city. Saludos mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #45 Posted July 31, 2020 Is a process with a lot of try and error...... I use to repeat all those pieces that at the end I don’t feel “good” with. That’s why some times I take a long time to make posts. But thanks a lot for being in the bench. Let’s see how this adventure is going to “THE END” 😀 mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #46 Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Cobalt kb said: Fascinating build. One of the most interesting I have seen in a long time as I have always had a fascination with ancient ships. Will follow your efforts. As a side note, many years ago I lived in Bogota , Colombia and visited Medellin many times. Beautiful city. Saludos Any way you are more than welcome to come back!!!!! mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceatha Posted August 1, 2020 Share #47 Posted August 1, 2020 Great work Hellmuth! It seems like it's going to be a very sturdy build. George mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: Greek Galliot (scratchbuilt) Previous: Byblos Ship (scratchbuilt) Keep building. https://www.scalemodelspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share #48 Posted August 3, 2020 I want to give an update...... Let’s keep in mind this “famous” picture.... It is time to start with the central beam or girder .... according with the investigation this is the equivalent to the keel. It is its predecessor..... it was among the Hugging-Truss, the elements that kept the hull with this form and gave to it the strength..... In this case, the beam was convex and in order to give it the right form I needed to tie it up to the hull. Thanks to God I had a lot of holes to do it.... 😀 I did it before the deck beams. It gave me the “exact” position for them..... They have a little holes in both ends, that is the way they wil be tied to the hull..... Also the Bow-Stern “poles are made..... I choose different wood in order to “kill” a little bit the monotony..... Louie da fly, druxey, woodrat and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted August 4, 2020 Share #49 Posted August 4, 2020 Just found your log Hellmuht. A very interesting subject for a model and I will continue to follow this intriguing build. You have done a great job on the hull. cheers Pat Jeronimo, mtaylor and tarbrush 3 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted August 4, 2020 Author Share #50 Posted August 4, 2020 Thank a lot Pat people following this log is forcing me to do a job that keep their attention on it i’ll do my best BANYAN and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 4, 2020 Share #51 Posted August 4, 2020 Fascinating build, Hellmuht. One question from my ignorance... is the outside of the hull planked over the ropes? I'm trying to visualize how they kept the water from leaking in. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted August 4, 2020 Author Share #52 Posted August 4, 2020 In the real life the planks had some “V” channels internally. They were so thick ...... there were no doble planking. This is only for “model construction “ purposes, since the scale is not allowing to make those “v” channels..... in other books they mention that they put papyrus and animal grease in the joints druxey, KeithAug, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binho Posted August 7, 2020 Share #53 Posted August 7, 2020 Beautiful build! mtaylor 1 Quote Alberto - "Binho" Current Build: Dusek 1:72 Scale Longship Digital Shipyard: Viking-era ships and boats 3D Art: Artstation, Sketchfab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share #54 Posted August 8, 2020 Let’s keep going.... The little “columns” that fix the girder to the hull through the frames are in place..... The poles for the hugging-truss and mast raising system are in place... I started to fix the beams to the hull...... they are supported by the girder and tied to the hull.... We are going to install first these beams.....they are the “end” of each deck section.... Same thing with the bow pole with the “eye of Horus” ........ Mirabell61, Brinkman, GrandpaPhil and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted August 13, 2020 Share #55 Posted August 13, 2020 Very nice, Hellmuht. A very enjoyable process to watch. mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share #56 Posted August 13, 2020 Some pictures with advances..... It has the must of the beams and the mast “support”, when it is not with sail..... SO FAR!!!!! JUST GLUE IN THE HULL!!!! ALL THE ELEMENTS HAVBE BEEN TIED UP. ....😀 bigpetr, Jeronimo, KeithAug and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted August 13, 2020 Share #57 Posted August 13, 2020 A very creditable job Hellmuht, especially noting the small amount of glue used. cheers Pat mtaylor 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share #58 Posted August 14, 2020 Thanks Pat mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share #59 Posted August 18, 2020 Let’s keep going with the advances..... I’ve been working in the deck. The central zone will be full removable and I have done just half of it. It will allow all the hull sewed been sewing....... It is sewed also.... at the same time I’ve working in the bow and stern deck but these are just “presented” since I need to work in the external hull, finish the hull sewing... And then they will be fixed/sewed. Take look how it is looking so far..... cog, KeithAug, Louie da fly and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted August 19, 2020 Share #60 Posted August 19, 2020 Wonderful work, Hellmuht. The sewing gives it a completely different look from most models. BobG, tarbrush, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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