Patrick Haw Posted January 5, 2014 Share #1 Posted January 5, 2014 Is this the absolute worst model of the Victory ever? The nerve of these people asking almost $2,200 for this thing. There is so much wrong with this slab of wood that it's almost impossible to begin. I'd give them $2.00 for it for firewood. LINK Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajromano Posted January 5, 2014 Share #2 Posted January 5, 2014 LOL -- Does look totally wrong! It is nicely done! Look at their Consitution it is even more wrong! Hard to understand why when there is so much reference material/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jud Posted January 5, 2014 Share #3 Posted January 5, 2014 The people buying those things don't really care or know, all they want is a display piece. Only problem I see is there are no disclaimers about historical accuracy that is obvious but I bet they are there someplace. They fill a nitch or they wouldn't be in business. jud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Haw Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted January 5, 2014 Laughing at the stern. They didn't get the stern even close. Wrong number of Windows and what is up with the stern decorations? And "HMS Victory" on the stern nameplate? Weak! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Haw Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted January 5, 2014 Jud, I agree. But $2,200? There's another site offering the same piece of crap for almost $2,800 Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted January 5, 2014 Share #6 Posted January 5, 2014 wow what next i would have a corel kit 850.00 but not for that price lol that just overkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor1234567890 Posted January 7, 2014 Share #7 Posted January 7, 2014 Anchor cables are chain? Must be an upgrade that nobody knew about. I can't imagine her rudder was even looked at before designing this kit. Her sternchasers are as crooked as the price they are asking for this model. Everything about it is off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockholm tar Posted January 7, 2014 Share #8 Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) Oh, I don't know. It's erm, erm, – 58" long! Edited January 7, 2014 by Stockholm tar CaptainSteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted January 7, 2014 Share #9 Posted January 7, 2014 It is easy to criticize something like this. As mentioned the people who buy this sort of thing are as has been stated likely just buying a piece of "decoration" As "offensive" this might be to some, think about the implications for the "craftsmen" who are making this stuff. (How different is this from the rather garish decorations that adorn a great number of houses every Christmas, the fake trees that can cost up to a thousand dollars? ) for them it is a way to put bread on the table, to feed themselves or family, some of them might even enjoy doing this work. I would imagine that it beats sitting on an assembly line installing "x" in an I phone or some other piece of disposable electronic junk (think again of all the stuff filling the toy shelves every Christmas). I would not be too quick to be so judgmental of these things, just my two cents worth, and for those who are engaged in the production of this stuff they probably need the two cents more than I do. Happy new year to all. Michael hollowneck, Brigg Fair, ScottRC and 11 others 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted January 7, 2014 Share #10 Posted January 7, 2014 I agree, Mike. I used to live in the Philippines and ship models were amonth their exports. Unfortunately, the "craftsmen" who made them were paid extremely poorly and were exploited just like workers in other third world countries. Stil...it did put food on their table. hollowneck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 7, 2014 Share #11 Posted January 7, 2014 These things have a place in the market,the people who make them are feeding the families,I would be interested to know the mark up though.Regarding the price,ask yourself how much an exemplary model of Victory would cost,then compare it with the what they are asking. Kind Regards Nigel hollowneck and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigie65 Posted January 7, 2014 Share #12 Posted January 7, 2014 I do wonder how much of the $2,200 the craftsmen actually get. A fraction I am sure. Has anyone ever worked out what the labour cost of building a decent Victory if you had to live off the income. Something tells me it would be way more than $2,000 NMBROOK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigie65 Posted January 7, 2014 Share #13 Posted January 7, 2014 These things have a place in the market,the people who make them are feeding the families,I would be interested to know the mark up though.Regarding the price,ask yourself how much an exemplary model of Victory would cost,then compare it with the what they are asking. Kind Regards Nigel Nigel, exactly what I was thinking when our posts crossed NMBROOK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigie65 Posted January 7, 2014 Share #14 Posted January 7, 2014 As for the worst victory look at Dan Vadas log of "restoring" a Del Prado victory! Dan Vadas, trippwj and foxy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnharv2 Posted January 8, 2014 Share #15 Posted January 8, 2014 I have to say that I get a chuckle from the sailing/selling terms used Ebay (how many nautical terms can I get in the description?) . . . 2 Photos Newly listedModel Schooner Ship Does anybody remember the Franklin Mint? A co-worker bought a finished model of the Cutty Sark from them in the 1980's. He paid $1000.00 for a finished model because "it's going to be worth a lot more one day". It wasn't a bad model, but it wasn't worth 1000.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted February 5, 2014 Share #16 Posted February 5, 2014 Hi Patrick --I'm sorry to barge in, but could you tell me which Victory kit is suppose to be the worst thank you Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted November 14, 2014 Share #17 Posted November 14, 2014 the Victory you are calling the worst Victory a Kit or all ready built Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsaplala Posted November 15, 2014 Share #18 Posted November 15, 2014 I thought I'd post a new contender for this title: http://www.ebay.com/itm/H-M-S-VICTORY-WOODEN-MODEL-SHIP-SAILING-BOAT-85CM-/221025310546?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Kits&hash=item3376229752 Their description put a big grin on my face: "From figurehead to stern, all details on the model exactly replicate the original, giving a museum quality of detail" I wonder where all her guns went and what figurehead are they talking about? I'd hate to think what would happen to Admiral Nelson if he faced the combined French-Spanish Fleet in this HMS Victory CaptainSteve and trippwj 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadeusz43 Posted November 15, 2014 Share #19 Posted November 15, 2014 Hi, So named Victory ???? This kind of model is not even funny he is terrible.To call this creature model is insult to all of us hard working model makers. This type of activity should be subject to severe punishment Tadeusz My models: From kits Vasa, HMS Victory, Le Solei Royale, Friesland From scratch HMS Warrior 1860, Esplanade, Grosse Yacht Norman’s ship, HMS Speedy, La Royale Peter von Danzig Polacca XVII cent. Current project: SS Savannah 1818 rdsaplala 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted November 15, 2014 Share #20 Posted November 15, 2014 But Aldo, there's still 9 left to sell. I noted that he/she sold one of them. For a good laugh, go look at the Constitution and Cutty Sark they're selling. Looks like the same model with a different paint job. foxy, trippwj and rdsaplala 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted November 15, 2014 Share #21 Posted November 15, 2014 since no one is willing to answer my question About this victory you'll calling the worst model I'm going to guess that it is a prebuilt model not a kit rdsaplala 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsaplala Posted November 15, 2014 Share #22 Posted November 15, 2014 I see what you mean Mark, in all fairness, I think I can forgive their "Catty Sark" since its name is different, must be a different ship http://www.ebay.com/itm/Catty-Sark-Model-Boat-52CM-/221008637516 Ronald, as you have surmised, these are not kits, but are pre-built "museum quality models", well at least that's what their manufacturer claims them to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted November 15, 2014 Share #23 Posted November 15, 2014 I thought do thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted November 15, 2014 Share #24 Posted November 15, 2014 I. Meant thought so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted November 16, 2014 Share #25 Posted November 16, 2014 They are built by a bunch of Chinese workers working on the floor and finishing several per day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted November 16, 2014 Share #26 Posted November 16, 2014 They are built by a bunch of Chinese workers working on the floor and finishing several per day. I think that which company depends on the company. The owner of AL who now does this, is located in Vietnam... but again, the floor and several a day. China has become too pricey for these guys. trippwj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted November 16, 2014 Share #27 Posted November 16, 2014 Years ago I was lucky enough to attend the last WSMC I passed a vendors table with several nice looking models on display. When I took a closer look they looked wrong. One of the attendees asked me what is wrong and I told him. He said that they were China and were showing off some models they build. When I told him what I thought he informed that my suspicion was correct. The Victory, Flying Cloud. Wasa. and several others. Same basic model just a different coat of paint. He told me that they were not looking at us as customers. But for those people who want something nice to talk about and do not wish to break the bank. David B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy Posted November 17, 2014 Share #28 Posted November 17, 2014 Offended we might be as builders of model ships. A market there might be, but time will tell if these sell. I think most of us build these ships(accurately) for our own pleasure. So I can see the objection. but its the enjoyment of building that is Important. Happy modelling folks. foxy mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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