Pygothian Posted November 3, 2013 Share #151 Posted November 3, 2013 I love the Swiss pear. Why did you source it from? I want to put it on my Syren, but wouldn't know where to even begin finding this wood, let alone cut to the thickness required as I have no fancy power tools (and all my fingers) Wife has drawn the line on power tools! Quote Current Build - US Brig Syren - Model Shipways - 1:64 - 1st wood build Armed Virginia Sloop with complimentary 8x paint MS paint set - Model Shipways - Ordered 31st October 2013 Victory Cross Section - Corel - Ordered 15th October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted November 3, 2013 Share #152 Posted November 3, 2013 I love the Swiss pear. Why did you source it from? I want to put it on my Syren, but wouldn't know where to even begin finding this wood, let alone cut to the thickness required as I have no fancy power tools (and all my fingers) Wife has drawn the line on power tools! Pygothian, You can order timber (including Swiss Pear) from Hobbymill in the US (link on the MSW home page). Send an email to Jeff Hayes and he will sort you out - milled to your exact requirements. He provides quality timber, beautifully milled, and at a very reasonable cost. No connection, just one of many very satisfied customers. Now, about those power tools.......... Robert, Sorry to hijack your log. Your gun carriages look superb - well done! Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j21896 Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share #153 Posted November 3, 2013 Thanks very much folks! I used a lot of timber suppliers out there until I found Jeff at HobbyMill -- the "gold standard". In my opinion he is the ONLY option when it comes to scale lumber! Cheers, Robert augie 1 Quote Current Build: HMS Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin W Posted November 3, 2013 Share #154 Posted November 3, 2013 Hi Robert -- Those are good looking gun carriages. Your "mass producing" strategy is paying off in spades! Cheers, Martin j21896 1 Quote Current Build: HMS FLY 1776 Previous Builds: Rattlesnake 1781 Prince de Neufchatel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted November 4, 2013 Share #155 Posted November 4, 2013 Take my hat off to you Robert, those looks amazing. Using paint it does provide an easier way out (I say rather sheepishly), you really are going the extra mile scratching many items in solid wood and the results speak for themselves. Can't wait to see one completed with barrels. Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted November 4, 2013 Share #156 Posted November 4, 2013 Looks great Robert. Not sure if you had this issue with your kit, but the carriages and trucks on my Badger were of very poor quality walnut that splintered just by looking at it - Caldercraft kits are great, but the walnut is a big disappointment. It's probably a bit tedious to scratch the components, but the results look to be well worth it! Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j21896 Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share #157 Posted November 4, 2013 Thanks Jason -- I can't wait to see something completed on this never ending build! I remember your old post about why first builds "break down", and then I watch with envy your impressive progress on Snake, with her immaculate paint job -- she's gorgeous! I may have bitten off a bit more than I can chew. And yes Mike, the walnut provided with the kit was very splintered. I was also disappointed to find the kit carriages -- as well as many other parts -- were actually walnut plywood. That pretty much forced my hand to scratch building, since I wanted to build her with a natural wood finish. I can't complain though, as I'm having a lot of fun "scratching". Cheers, Robert Landlubber Mike 1 Quote Current Build: HMS Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted November 5, 2013 Share #158 Posted November 5, 2013 And yes Mike, the walnut provided with the kit was very splintered. I was also disappointed to find the kit carriages -- as well as many other parts -- were actually walnut plywood. That pretty much forced my hand to scratch building, since I wanted to build her with a natural wood finish. I can't complain though, as I'm having a lot of fun "scratching". And your efforts have paid off in spades Robert - you can be very proud of the results you are achieving. Absolutely top notch. j21896 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j21896 Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share #159 Posted November 13, 2013 Just a brief update, barely worth posting, as progress has been extremely slow with all the various carriage components... Transoms and carriage beds are ready: Drilling the axles for their pins, and rounding them to accept the trucks: Robert egkb, augie, rlb and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: HMS Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted November 15, 2013 Share #160 Posted November 15, 2013 Robert, I read through your build log. Very impressive! Love your scratch built cannon carriages, your using the same methods I plan to when i get to mine. I Will be following along! j21896 1 Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j21896 Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share #161 Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) Gun Carriages (scratch-built) - continued Assembly of the carriages is underway. Placement of the brackets on the axles is aided by a typical jig on a copy of the plans. Though not really visible, I used copper wire blackened with liver of sulphur instead of brass (taking a cue from Ed Tosti), for the rods that support the carriage beds. I also plan to use copper and LOS for the carriage bolts, eyebolts, and rings. Trucks are being added. Axle pins are Swiss pear drawn through the smallest hole on the Byrnes draw plate. These are proving to be very time consuming items to make – fortunately there are only eighteen! The process continues … Robert Edited November 23, 2013 by j21896 Landlubber Mike, cookster, egkb and 11 others 14 Quote Current Build: HMS Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted November 22, 2013 Share #162 Posted November 22, 2013 Sorry Robert. This is time more than well spent. Spectacular. texxn5 and j21896 2 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted November 22, 2013 Share #163 Posted November 22, 2013 The axle pin detail says it all Robert, those look great! BTW, I'm glad you gave me to tip to glue items together to shape multiple items at the same time and then separate, I can see that coming in very handy for a few items! Looking forward to seeing the barrels installed. Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted November 22, 2013 Share #164 Posted November 22, 2013 Fantastic Robert! Those gun carriages look just superb. I've experimented with copper and LOS as well and found as you did, that it's much easier to work with than brass and selenium solutions. We all have EdT to thank for that I think. cookster 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted November 22, 2013 Share #165 Posted November 22, 2013 I'm blown away by those carriages, Robert . Great. Bob Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j21896 Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share #166 Posted November 23, 2013 Thank you very much guys! I REALLY appreciate your encouragement! Robert Quote Current Build: HMS Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted November 23, 2013 Share #167 Posted November 23, 2013 Beautiful job on those carriages Robert, they are magnificent. B.E. j21896 1 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAT Posted December 5, 2013 Share #168 Posted December 5, 2013 Robert, your build is impressive, I can't believe the success you are having with your first build. Your carriages are outstanding, as good as I have seen on any build. Lots of great info on your techniques as well. I will continue to look in on your build and use your ideas as a reference for improving my ability's. Lou Quote Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j21896 Posted December 11, 2013 Author Share #169 Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) Cannons (replacement parts) All of the wooden parts for the carriages have been completed; they’ve been assembled, and given a coat of tung oil which needs some time to dry. I’m starting now to address the related ironwork – the most significant being the guns themselves. As previously mentioned, I didn’t care for the look of the kit-provided guns, as they seem out of scale – much too bulky and heavy – so I turned to Chuck’s Syren Ship Model Company for replacements. Side-by-side comparison with Kit-Provided on left and Syren Ship Model Co's on right. Needless to say, I’m very pleased with these replacements! On to the blackening process… Robert Edited July 25, 2014 by j21896 Landlubber Mike and texxn5 2 Quote Current Build: HMS Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texxn5 Posted December 11, 2013 Share #170 Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) Those cannons are so superior to the kit's it's incredible. I will be using Chuck's cannons for the Niagra when I get finished with my Morgan. There's no comparison for quality. Your ship is looking fantastic......thanks for the pictures Edited December 11, 2013 by texxn5 j21896 1 Quote John Current Current Builds: US Brig Niagara on my website FINISHED BUILD LOGS: New Bedford Whaleboat - page on my Morgan Website: http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com/whaleboat-build-log-by-john-fleming.html C.W. Morgan - Model Shipways 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1785-cw-morgan-by-texxn5-johnf-ms-164-kit/ USS Constitution - Revell 1:96 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1796-uss-constitution-by-texxn5-johnf-revell-196-kit/ website US Brig Niagara Model http://www.niagaramodel.com website Charles W Morgan Model http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com website PROXXON DISCOUNT TOOL STORE http://proxxontoolsdiscount.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor1234567890 Posted December 11, 2013 Share #171 Posted December 11, 2013 Much better detail on those guns. Good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted December 11, 2013 Share #172 Posted December 11, 2013 You can't possibly go wrong with Chuck's guns. It's almost a shame to blacken them!!! Great choice. j21896 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted December 12, 2013 Share #173 Posted December 12, 2013 Great choice Robert. Aren't we lucky that Chuck decided to start the Syren company? I sincerely hope he goes from strength to strength with it, for what he has done for the modelling community he deserves every success with it. These will look fabulous on your superb build. Blue Ensign, Martin W and j21896 3 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j21896 Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share #174 Posted December 15, 2013 (edited) Cannons – Blackening Using the process outlined in many places on MSW, I chemically blackened the guns. Maybe some minor variations from what others use for mixture ratios or the duration of each step in the process, but pretty much the same drill: Silver solder trunnions in place Acetone bath for grease removal (15 – 20 Minutes) Muriatic acid bath for surface etching (15 – 20 Minutes) Thorough rinsing with cold water Blackening bath, 5 parts Birchwood Casey Brass Black, 1 part distilled water (approx. 2 – 4 minutes) Thorough rinsing in cold water Following a few minutes of air drying, buff with a soft cloth The end result, depending on the lighting, looks like a pretty attractive deep, gun metal gray. While I think they look kind of nice as is, the shine is a bit overwhelming for 1:64 scale. Therefore, the final step will be to seal them with a coat of clear, matte lacquer. The result of the matte finish treatment can be seen on the gun at the far right. With the reduced light reflection, it now looks more black. Onward to making some carriage bolts, eyebolts, and ringbolts... Robert Edited July 4, 2014 by j21896 Elia, egkb, texxn5 and 7 others 10 Quote Current Build: HMS Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlb Posted December 15, 2013 Share #175 Posted December 15, 2013 (edited) "Great guns", Robert, you're doing a fine job! Ron Edited December 15, 2013 by rlb j21896 1 Quote Building: US Brig Oneida (1809) HMS Euryalus (1803) Completed: John Alden Sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted December 16, 2013 Share #176 Posted December 16, 2013 Excellent work on the guns Robert. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted December 16, 2013 Share #177 Posted December 16, 2013 Beautiful job. And fear not ---- I have the finishing sequence duly recorded on a paper towel wrapped around my guns for if and when I ever get that far. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZyXuz Posted December 16, 2013 Share #178 Posted December 16, 2013 well done on the carriages and blackening! fantastic work Quote Visit My Blog! http://malaysiamodelship.blogspot.com/ Previous Build: HMS Race Horse (Sergal) Current Build: HMS Unicorn (Corel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j21896 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share #179 Posted December 16, 2013 Thanks folks! Your encouragement and support is greatly appreciated!! Robert Quote Current Build: HMS Mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texxn5 Posted December 16, 2013 Share #180 Posted December 16, 2013 That's a great finish, Thanks for the formula. I'll be using that when I get to that stage on my next build ....the Niagra. Chuck's guns finish up so well that they look real.....especially with the carriages you built.....very nice and thanks for the photo's and info.... j21896 1 Quote John Current Current Builds: US Brig Niagara on my website FINISHED BUILD LOGS: New Bedford Whaleboat - page on my Morgan Website: http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com/whaleboat-build-log-by-john-fleming.html C.W. Morgan - Model Shipways 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1785-cw-morgan-by-texxn5-johnf-ms-164-kit/ USS Constitution - Revell 1:96 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1796-uss-constitution-by-texxn5-johnf-revell-196-kit/ website US Brig Niagara Model http://www.niagaramodel.com website Charles W Morgan Model http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com website PROXXON DISCOUNT TOOL STORE http://proxxontoolsdiscount.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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