Boccherini Posted February 8, 2014 #1 Posted February 8, 2014 Having finally completed the Triton x-section, it's time to return to this, my first attempt at a plank on frame scratch build. It is the Tasmanian built barque Harriet McGregor from the plans by Harold Underhill, scale is 1:60. Originally started before Dry Dock Models was in operation, I lost interest in it due to the number of mistakes made in the earlier stages of construction that began to affect the build at the current point. The worst mistake: frame extensions above deck level should have been reduced in thickness prior to the waterway installation. I have done what I can to rectify this without pulling the waterways out (not practical), but will have to live with the consequences and work around the problem, hoping other small details will draw the eye from the larger inaccuracies. Having said all that, the model to date does bear a vague resemblance to the plans. Grant. coxswain, EdT, GrandpaPhil and 23 others 26 Quote
Bugra Posted February 8, 2014 #2 Posted February 8, 2014 Hey Grant , She is real beauty. Show us more about her, please Bugra. Quote There is nothing that a little sanding can't solve.. Bugra. Current Builds : H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Bugra - 1/48 Turkish Traditional Ship - Surmene Takasi by Bugra - 1:35
Shamrock Posted February 8, 2014 #3 Posted February 8, 2014 A beatiful ship!! And the craftmanship looks really great. No worries mate (about the frame thickness). As you say - when you are ready the overall impression will be great Shamrock coxswain 1 Quote
Rudolf Posted February 9, 2014 #4 Posted February 9, 2014 Having finally completed the Triton x-section, it's time to return to this, my first attempt at a plank on frame scratch build. It is the Tasmanian built barque Harriet McGregor from the plans by Harold Underhill, scale is 1:60. Originally started before Dry Dock Models was in operation, I lost interest in it due to the number of mistakes made in the earlier stages of construction that began to affect the build at the current point. The worst mistake: frame extensions above deck level should have been reduced in thickness prior to the waterway installation. I have done what I can to rectify this without pulling the waterways out (not practical), but will have to live with the consequences and work around the problem, hoping other small details will draw the eye from the larger inaccuracies. Having said all that, the model to date does bear a vague resemblance to the plans. IMG_4287 (800x600).jpgIMG_4290 (800x600).jpgIMG_4298 (800x600).jpgIMG_4289 (800x600).jpgIMG_4291 (800x600).jpgIMG_4292 (600x800).jpg Grant. Hi Grant, Congratulations, she looks beautiful. I think you did very well with shaping the bulwark stanchions like this, they do not appear oversized. Some questions: Mc Gregor does not give a layout for the stanchions on his plans, is your layout just an educated guess or have got any information on these items of the ship. And will you include a topgallant rail? Where will you put the pinrails? Cheers, Rudolf Quote
fnkershner Posted February 9, 2014 #5 Posted February 9, 2014 Grant, I know from first hand that we are a very self critical lot. I also know that If it weren't for the encouragement I have received from members of this forum I would have burned a lot wooden hulls. All I can tell you is from what I see in your pictures is a very beautiful and graceful ship. One I would definitely want to see more of. I must confess I know little of her true history, but she is a elegant lady and you have done her very nicely. Please continue and by all means post more pictures. I would like to call attention to your joggle planks at the bow. Can you please tell me more about how you got them so even and clean? And your Treenailing is just the right size and does not look like the measles. What woods did you use for the deck planking and the hatch? it give just the right contrast. did you scratch the windlass? She is a wonderful model. I suggest only you will know about the stantions. Tony Hunt, coxswain and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me!
mtaylor Posted February 10, 2014 #6 Posted February 10, 2014 Grant, What Floyd said... beautiful work. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
russ Posted February 10, 2014 #7 Posted February 10, 2014 Grant: She is a beauty indeed. Excellent work. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
captainbob Posted February 10, 2014 #8 Posted February 10, 2014 I think i'll stick around to watch the rest of this fine build. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
Jim Lad Posted February 10, 2014 #9 Posted February 10, 2014 That looks very nice work, Grant. John Quote
NenadM Posted February 10, 2014 #10 Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) I join to follow Very interesting. Different parts of world and same thoughts how to resolve mistakes by over-detailing. BTW, I do not see any mistake in your photos Following you with great interest Nenad Edited February 12, 2014 by Nenad M Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
Boccherini Posted February 11, 2014 Author #11 Posted February 11, 2014 Gentlemen, thank you for your interest and encouragement. Rudolf, the frame extensions that form the stanchions are closer together in the areas where the standing rigging is attached to the hull via the chain plates. The extra stanchions were necessary to strengthen the bulwarks to take the strain of the rigging. This information came from the "Plank On Frame" books by Harold Underhill. There is no topgallant rail shown on the plan, the pin rail is shown below the rail. Floyd, joggling the planks is just an exercise in patient cutting and trimming (with a scalpel) until it comes together. The end of the joggled plank is supposed to be half of its width, the angled side is a line drawn from that mid point to where the plank cuts the edge of the margin plank (my apologies for the explanation, it is badly described, I hope you get the idea). The margin plank was joggled after it was fixed in place. I followed the method set out in the "Plank on Frame" books, which I believe was actual practice. Deck planking is pine, the hatch coamings are jarrah, (a local hard wood) hatch boards are walnut. Yes, the windlass is scratch built. With regards to her history, I know very little. Built in the 1860's (I think), she famously ran to a schedule like a train timetable for 25 years between Australia and England. Her end is unknown to me. Grant. Quote
fnkershner Posted February 11, 2014 #12 Posted February 11, 2014 Grant - My point is like you have read and tried to do the same Joggle as you have. Unfortunately my results do not compare with yours. Truly beautiful work. Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me!
Jim Lad Posted February 11, 2014 #13 Posted February 11, 2014 Floyd (and others interested in her history), the Harriet McGregor was built in Hobart, Tasmania in in 1870 by John McGregor and owned by his brother John McGregor. She was named for the owners wife and, as a consequence, was maintained in superb condition - to such an extent that she became known as 'the Tasmanian yacht.' She maintained a liner service for McGregor for 25 years, sailing from Hobart for London each December and arriving back in Hobart in July. Harold Underhill has researched her voyages and found that she maintained an uncanny reliability in her voyage times. Of seven consecutive voyages to London that Underhill studied in detail, her round voyage times varied by only 16 days! Between the London voyages, the Harriet sailed to Mauritius each year. In 1895 she was sold to Danish owners and re-named Water Queen. She was lost by fire on her first voyage for her new owners. For such a small ship (length 134 feet) sailing around the world via Cape Horn for a quarter of a century, she had a remarkable safety record, having lost only one man in all that time! John Quote
fnkershner Posted February 11, 2014 #14 Posted February 11, 2014 Jim - You are a wealth of information. Thank you. Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me!
michael mott Posted February 12, 2014 #15 Posted February 12, 2014 Grant I don't know about the details but it looks like a pretty fine model to me, definitely continue to post pictures of your build. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Boccherini Posted February 12, 2014 Author #16 Posted February 12, 2014 Floyd & Michael, thanks for your comments. John, thanks for the additional historical notes. Grant. Quote
harvey1847 Posted February 12, 2014 #17 Posted February 12, 2014 Hello Grant! Just discovered your log... I have already click the "follow topic". She looks pretty well to me. Have you considered to scrap a little bit the ends of the frames with a sharp blade? That part is going to be covered with more wood strips anyway... Best wishes. Daniel. Quote In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
Boccherini Posted February 13, 2014 Author #18 Posted February 13, 2014 Daniel, thanks for taking the time to comment. The bulwark stanchions have already been pared back (with a chisel) as far as practicable without having to remove the waterway. It's not ideal, but I can live with it. Grant. harvey1847 1 Quote
NenadM Posted February 13, 2014 #19 Posted February 13, 2014 What did you use for coopering ? Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
Boccherini Posted February 15, 2014 Author #20 Posted February 15, 2014 Nenad, I used thin copper sheet, which was cut into strips, then into the individual pieces. They have been attached to the hull with contact cement. Grant. Quote
Boccherini Posted March 23, 2014 Author #21 Posted March 23, 2014 For the moment, I have been working on the forward section, completing the structure over the starboard hatch/companionway (I have no idea of its correct name). I shaped a block of MDF then covered it with veneers, and added some hinge pins and a handle to complete the look. The dimensions for the catheads are only best guess, the plans are a little vague. Does anyone have information regarding the diameter and width of the sheaves in catheads, also the length of the slots to accommodate them? The out board end of the catheads are 300mm (12") square. Grant. Elmer Cornish, druxey, mij and 20 others 23 Quote
dgbot Posted March 23, 2014 #22 Posted March 23, 2014 I like your build great joinery and very neat. Keep up the good work. David B justsayrow 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
michael mott Posted March 23, 2014 #23 Posted March 23, 2014 Grant the foredeck planking is beautifully done. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
captainbob Posted March 23, 2014 #24 Posted March 23, 2014 Very nice wood work. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
Boccherini Posted March 24, 2014 Author #25 Posted March 24, 2014 David, Micheal & Bob, thanks for taking the time to comment. Regards, Grant. Quote
Jim Lad Posted March 24, 2014 #26 Posted March 24, 2014 That's looking very nice indeed, Grant! John Quote
Boccherini Posted May 2, 2014 Author #27 Posted May 2, 2014 Slow progress has been made with the catheads, but they are now essentially complete. The whisker booms are made from 1mm dia copper wire, tapered slightly to improve the look. I filed a small concave into the end of the whisker boom prior to soldering the ring on. The construction sequence as follows. GrandpaPhil, Elmer Cornish, druxey and 9 others 12 Quote
Boccherini Posted May 2, 2014 Author #28 Posted May 2, 2014 Whisker booms continued. I soldered a couple of pins to the whisker booms to fix them firmly to the catheads. Cathead sheaves are 4mm dia x 0.7mm thick, they are on a 0.5mm drill bit. All the parts were chemically blackened. The construction method is a variant of that shown by Harold Underhill in his Plank On Frame book. Grant. captainbob, pete48, Elmer Cornish and 19 others 22 Quote
Erebus and Terror Posted May 2, 2014 #29 Posted May 2, 2014 Very nice metal work. She looks wonderful! Quote Building Terror Blog
Michiel Posted May 2, 2014 #30 Posted May 2, 2014 can't agree more great metal work Quote Finished models: Botter, President Current: Prins Willem by the book of Ketting, HMS Beagle - OcCre restauration of a Statenjacht
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