Beavers Prize 1777 by Mike Y - 1:48 - POF - Hahn style

[garyshipwright]

Mike I have to agree with Greg sir, the Byrnes disk sander has become one of the most commen used power tool in my shop, along with his table saw. It is really a very accurate tool and being able to reset the angles every time is great. Get one, you won't regret it. Gary

[Mike Y]

Thanks Grant, Alan, Brian, Greg and Gary! I was not sure if I really need it, but now after all your feedback - there is no doubt!

Looks like I know what to order from Santa this Christmas!

[Mike Y]

Ok, got the toy: http://www.proxxon.com/en/micromot/27060.php

 

 

Thanks everybody for the comments, now making a straight and correctly angled edges is soo easy! 

And it will definitely help with making a keel parts that tightly fit together

[AON]

You are going to wonder how you survived without it!

[Mike Y]

The build is going slow so far - had guests, then few trips, had no chance to build for some weeks. But progress is quite boring anyway - producing frame by frame.

 

Found a thing in my parents' basement - a model that I tried to build when I was around 12 years old.

Locked in a summerhouse, with some plywood, sandpaper and a manual scroll saw ok, I also had a book and some blueprints.

Full scratch, I had no internet at that time, and havent heard of any kits. No modelling societies aither.

 

Looks veeery ugly, but hey, the only tool was a manual scroll saw.

 

Planks were also cut with a scroll saw: draw a straight line, cut the wood, smoothen with sandpaper.

 

If only I can have soooooooo many free time as I had when I was 12...

[Omega1234]

Hi Mike

 

I think you're being too modest. That's quite an achievement for a 12 year old to put together, especially cutting the planks!

 

I wish I'd kept more of my models from my childhood....oh well.

 

Are you tempted to finish her?

[Mike Y]

Nope, I got released from the summerhouse, so switched to other stupid teenage activities

Edited December 22, 2014 by Mike Y

[Omega1234]

Nope, I got released from the summerhouse, so switched to other stupid teenage activities

Totally understood, Mike. That sounds pretty typical of teenagers the world over!

[Mike Y]

Pardon, just another offtopic Not so much to tell about the build itself, holidays, no time to build...

 

Spending New Year holidays with my parents in St.Petersburg, Russia, where I visited the construction site of 1712 frigate replica, Poltava.

Some links: 

http://poltava1712.ru/node/73

https://twitter.com/Poltavawarship

https://www.facebook.com/poltavaship

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ-9kJyalp7_pm72J4Yb9_Q

 

The construction is sponsored by the symbol of russian corruption and inefficiency - Gazprom

Project has quite a fat funding, and there are around 100 carpenters working on the hull right now. 

The big hangar here is the place where hull is assembled:

 

Wood storage (oak):

 

Interesting fact that wood is not dried or aged - instead, they make everything just from the "green" wood, but later apply some chemicals to reduce the moisture level and prevent rot. Unfortunately, I could not find out the names of the chemicals.

 

The engineers of the replica faced the same problem as Peter I, the russian emperor who was managing the construction of the original ship. It is extremely hard to find a big enough oak tree in a good condition, without any major defects or rot. The wood for that ship is purchased from a very wide region, basically all european part of russia.

To workaround it, some really heavy parts (like keel structure) are assembled using a laminated, multi-layered slabs of wood. It is close to impossible to find an oak of that size nowadays... You can imagine how hard it was to find and process such a wood in 1712!

I was surprised that you can laminate and glue a part that will carry such load and weight.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2014 by Mike Y

[Mike Y]

Stem: 

 

 

Sistered frame construction:

 

Frames are lofted and assembled right on a floor, and later fitted to the hull:

 

 

 

Joinery:

 

 

[Mike Y]

The project is moving really fast - the construction was started just 9 months ago!

All carpenters are professionals, and there are around 100 carpenters working on a project 5 days a week (and today was a small weekend shift).

 

 

 

The hull is huge! Hard to show the scale on a photos, but just look on how small the people are near that hull:

 

 

 

 

 

[Mike Y]

 

 

 

 

Another way to estimate the size - look on their sawdust bag. Or the sawdust shovel!

 

[AON]

thank you for sharing Mike!

[mtaylor]

Mike,

 

Great pictures.  Thanks for sharing them.  That is one large ship.  When do they think they'll have it in the water, in a year?

[Mike Y]

The hull would be ready in a year or so, would be rigged after launch.

Unfortunately it will not have any voyages, will be parked and work as a museum. So far they do not plan to install any engines, pure sail power.

It is illegal to operate a fully wooden ship under a russian flag (fire hazard, blah blah). No exception for replicas.

There is another replica of frigate of the same period. It was bult by patriots and enthusiasts, but forced to sail outside of russian waters, not allowed to enter them.

See https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A//ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%25A8%25D1%2582%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B0%25D1%2580%25D1%2582_%28%25D1%2584%25D1%2580%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B3%25D0%25B0%25D1%2582%2C_1999%29%23.D0.AE.D1.80.D0.B8.D0.B4.D0.B8.D1.87.D0.B5.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.B8.D0.B5_.D0.BA.D

 

But these guys (Poltava project) are sponsored by Gazprom, one if the most corrupt and powerful structures in the country, so the term "illegal" do not apply to them. Let's see.

Edited December 28, 2014 by Mike Y

[Mike Y]

Minor status update. Not so much going on - building frames when I have a time. Just around half of the work is done for a mere 10 frames in that batch



The keel structure is roughly cut and shaped, but waiting for TFFM books to arrive before I will fine-fit and assemble it - want to make sure that it would be done correctly, at least on the parts that would be visible.

Edited January 12, 2015 by Mike Y

[Omega1234]

Great work, Mike. A long way to go, but it'll be well worth it once done.

[Jack Panzeca]

Hi Mike Y,

 

Your frames look great.  They will soon begin to look like a ship.  I have just started to work on my first practice frames.

 

The images of the replica ship are wonderful.  HUGE!  I worked as a consultant in Russia 10 or 12 years ago so I understand what you mean about the rules not applying.

 

Keep up the good work.

[Mike Y]

The set of instructions for that kit finally arrived!

 

[mtaylor]

Nothing like having a good set of instructions, isn't there?

[Mike Y]

Replaced the table of my disk sander - stock one was nice but not flat - slightly rising right near the disk. It was a problem when shaping the keel parts - they are thin, and sanded on a wrong angle due to skewed table.

Did not bothered to contact proxxon for replacement, plus I wanted a smaller gap between the table and the disk.

Looks weird, but works pretty well - it is flat at least!

 

Disk sander made a big difference in the frame blank production speed. It takes like 30sec per blank to to set a straight edge with a proper angle. And allows to cut blanks on a bandsaw, freehand, with less accuracy and precision - it does not matter, sander will make it straight anyway. Amazing!

 

It took me just 4 hours to make the next batch of blanks, which would be used for the next 10 frames.

(Left side - for planked side, right side - for opened side, finely selected wood pieces)

 

[mtaylor]

Nice work, Mike.  And that is an excellent fix for the sander.

[AON]

Red Green (google him) always says " if they (women) don't find you handsome they should at least find you handy"

You may not think it is a good looking fix but as a Red Green fan I think you did an awesome job.... and no duct tape!!!

 

Seriously now... good job, and glad to hear you enjoy yours as much as I do mine!

[Mike Y]

While assembling frames, started the keel assembly (to replace the laser cut keel that I used before).

 

Joint is blackened with a tissue paper.

Castello treenails reinforce the joint, because paper makes it a bit weak. The treenails would be completely hidden by the false keel, so they have a purely functional purpose

 

 

 

 

Hope that the paper line would be more accurate after a final sanding.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Mike Y

[AON]

I seem to think this may be the first time I've seen anyone actually use tissue paper in the scarph joint.

Most that want the joints to stand out use blackened wood glue.

Very interested in hearing how it holds up.... or you've seen it used before?

[kruginmi]

Good job Mike, slow but steady.....

 

Any finish you use should make that line pop also.

 

Mark

[Mike Y]

Alan: hmm, I was sure that I read about the tissue paper method somewhere on MSW

Tried it on a scrap wood, works quite well. The paper inside the joint could be perforated and/or cut slightly to improve the glue penetration.

But such joint should be definitely reinforced with the treenails.

 

Mark: thanks! There would be some sanding ahead, which should also make the line black line more consistent

Edited January 25, 2015 by Mike Y

[Omega1234]

Hi Mike

 

Another method I've also used to good effect on the decks of my RC yachts was to run the edge of the planks against a black permanent marker.  When glued together, the blackened edges simulated the caulking really well.  It was dead easy and effective.

 

May be worth a trial run to see if it works for you, too?

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[Mike Y]

Patrick, wouldn't it bleed following a wood grain? Will try, thanks for the tip!

[tlevine]

Looking good, Mike.  The black paper is used to simulate felt that was placed in joints located under water.  This is a thicker line than that achieved with a graphite line on the planking.  Please do not use a marker unless you test it with your finish first.  Many of them will bleed with solvent finishes.