Beavers Prize 1777 by Mike Y - 1:48 - POF - Hahn style

[Remcohe]

Nice port Mike.

 

I don't think there is a silver bullet to do this, maybe the closest thing might be 'patience'

 

Remco

[Mike Y]

Remco, that is a relief! Or, just keep calm and cut the gunports

[Mike Y]

The Admiral found an unusual application for the Cromwell v0.1

 

In a meanwhile, Cromwell 1.0 is still getting its gunport sills installed. Angled mortises are tricky, but the result worth it: 

 

Overall status: 40% of the gunports are ready, 60% remaining..

[kruginmi]

Great job Mike.  You are finding your Zen and working each port as its own project and it shows.  A full hull certainly gives you lots of practice on most jobs.

 

At least the Cromwell (like Druid) is 1/48th and this detail as achievable (at least for me - hah, hah).

 

Keep it up,

Mark

[Omega1234]

Hi Mike

 

Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful....that's all I can say!

 

Also, I reckon your wife has hit on a winner, there. Perhaps a good money spinner for you???

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[Mike Y]

John,  Patrick - thank you!

 

 

 

At least the Cromwell (like Druid) is 1/48th and this detail as achievable (at least for me - hah, hah).

Mark, indeed, 1:48 is a handy scale. I can't imagine cutting that sills on a smaller scale - I am using the smallest diamond files, for a smaller scale you will need to make your own. 

 

Cutting this part of the mortise is tricky even in 1:48 - too small for files that I have, looking for a tiny tine square file.

Too small to use chisel or a knife there.

Maybe scraping is an option, will try it on a next port.

Edited November 24, 2015 by Mike Y

[mtaylor]

Mike,

 

I'm not sure I'd try it smaller than 1:48 either.  Maybe a jeweler's file?  Although with the tooth on those things, you'll filing for a long time.  Luckily, for me, I'm full planking (hiding the sills).

[Mike Y]

Not a lot of progress, still cutting the gunports. A lot of work, not enough time for modelling...

 

Added this monograph into the collection. Who knows, maybe that would be the next project in 5 years?

 

Santa read that build log and decided I really need some new toys!

 

Now I have 5 power tools hidden in the different parts of the modelling table, and still some room left. How do you guys manage to occupy the entire workshops? 

[Mike Y]

The mill (Proxxon MF70) is truly great. Very precise, and with a proxxon cutters it cuts pear as butter. On the lowest possible speed (5k rpm), even with 1mm cutter!

 

Here are some first cuts and a first thingy produced on the lathe:

 

Now I can cut joints like this in no time! Hooray! Previously such joint will take me 30min minimum, and it would not be that precise anyway:

[Stuntflyer]

Mike,

 

It's always good to have tools. I can hardly see the joint on that scarph. Is there enough room in there for glue? I'm doing a few myself by hand right now. I'm jealous!

[tlevine]

I see your problem. You are much too organized!

[Mike Y]

Mike, you need to connect/disconnect the joint 25 times to make a room for the glue

In practice, I was surprised how easy it is to get the right dimensions of the joint using mill's measuring functionality. This joint was cut from first attempt, no extra fitting. Super easy!

 

Toni, not really, I have a coffee stain on the cutting mat and an ugly scrap wood pile and sandpaper pile. Eeew!

[dvm27]

Very nice Mike. Fittingly, you've moved over to the Dark Side - power tools (Star Wars being released this week in case you've been living in a convent). Enjoy your lathe/mill and all the fun things you can do with them. Hopefully you'll get over the "making beautiful wooden pen and pencil sets" phase for relatives and neighbors quickly.

[AON]

Mike

 

If you are not filling your shop space adequately you are simply not trying hard enough... but I can see you are definitely on your way!

(There is no turning it off)

 

Alan

 

PS: I am now officially jealous.

[mtaylor]

I agree with Toni... you are much too organized.  And also too neat.  There's no sawdust on that workbench... If my Admiral sees those pictures, I'm doomed.  Doomed I tell you.

 

Those are lovely and precise joints. 

[Mike Y]

It is a living room, so I must do a quick cleanup after every modelling session, otherwise family will start to whine about it after a while vaccuum the wood chips, wipe away fine sawdust. One of the reasons why I can't get a thickness sander

Thanks for the congratulations!

Now I have no excuses not to make a fine joints!

Going off for holidays, aim to finish all the ports in January and finally start the fairing! That would be the moment of truth

[Timmo]

Nice work there Mike. Your build looks great and you've sold me on getting g a milling machine when funds allow.

[Mike Y]

Visited Poltava project again. It is the replica frigate of the same period is my Cromwell.

Built based on the same books. According to the guide, it has a classic British design, and constructors of the replica are reading the same books

 

The hull is completed, now they build decks and plank the hull:

 

 

 

Tiny model in 1:12 scale is being built in parallel

The model would be a part of the museum.

 

 

The launch is scheduled for mid 2017, would be parked in St.Petersburg, Russia. No engine, pure sail power.

They are also planning to sell the set of very detailed plans that could be used to build a model. There were 5 (five!) people working in CAD fulltime, building the ship in 3d and planning everything. So these plans are going to be good!

Edited December 27, 2015 by Mike Y

[Mike Y]

Here comes the most interesting part of the tour! Only for shipmodelling geeks, regular visitors are not allowed inside the hull yet - you can fall from the deck beams. 

Follow the guide! He is dressed according to the Ship's period, and is a real enthusiast. 

 

 

 

Knees are made out of laminated oak planks, because it is too hard to find properly bent oak trees:

 

Mast post and internal planking. Note the ventilation holes, interesting detail:

 

Gunport sills are made in a simplified manner, without any angled mortises. Cheaters!

 

Also, they made the keel joints in the same way as I did, same projection. Not side-to-side, but top-to-bottom. I noticed it only on the photos, not when I was onsite, so do not have a really good photo. But it is visible here:

 

And a screenshot from the early construction video, where it is also visible:

 

So TFFM is wrong? Or both ways of making that joints are valid? Anyway, now I am not worried that my keel is wrong. Hey, 1:1 model is assembled in the same manner!

Edited December 27, 2015 by Mike Y

[Mike Y]

Other photos are without comments, just a bulk of what I managed to record while being in the hull. I was only allowed into the hull for 5min, so was shooting photos all around, just in case

 

Also, if you are interested - do not miss the youtubes by the builders of the replica. They are in russian, but nevermind the narrative. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AON]

WOW (AND THANK YOU)

I'M GOING TO BE STUCK HERE AWHILE!    

[mtaylor]

I quite agree with Alan... WOW!!!   Thanks for posting the pictures and the videos. 

 

If you can, Mike, post all these and any others you have done here:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/43-nautical-research-guild-news-model-ship-clubs-and-exhibitions-and-events-museums-and-museum-ships/    It'll be an easier reference for others and more people will see them.

[Mike Y]

Mark, right, will create a topic there. It is probably interesting not only for the readers of that log..

 

One of the youtubes mentions the construction of the transom:

 

Apparently, the ship's builders were very annoyed by the complexity of it. And said something like "promise this is the last time you draft such fashionpieces"

Seems like you can't go with our "make an oversized detail and fair it to shape" approach when you build a real ship..

Edited December 27, 2015 by Mike Y

[AON]

Well that was over an hour well spent!    

[Mike Y]

Apparently, they even have a live video camera! You can watch the build process live, during the working hours in UTC+3 timezone

https://www.ivideon.com/tv/camera/200-27795e76f5256934b23c11ba66143f06/393216/?lang=ru

 

Also created a topic according to Mark's advice, it is here: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12395-replica-poltava-1712-russian-ship-of-the-line/

Edited December 28, 2015 by Mike Y

[Mike Y]

So about the keel joint - I am still puzzled. TFFM says it is vertical:

 

While the replica builders put it horizontally, like I did (unintentionally). 

Some joints are even locked (is it the right term?):

 

So which way is correct? Or both are fine?

Or I misinterpreted TFFM, and the keel there is drawn "on the side"? I do not have the book with me now, so can't check for sure..

Edited December 28, 2015 by Mike Y

[mtaylor]

Mike,

 

Try asking here if you don't get an answer...http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/14-building-framing-planking-and-plating-a-ships-hull-and-deck/

I'm not sure which way is correct except that the keelson was the opposite way. 

[AON]

that is an excellent question that I hope to see an answer to

(unfortunately I don't know)

[dvm27]

According to Goodwin,  The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War 1650 - 1850,  "The most common (scarph) was the butt and coak method and like all the methods used the scarph was set in the vertical". This corresponds to David White's excellent series of articles in Model Shipwright. Perhaps the vertical scarph joint presents less exposed area for water to seep into and promote rot within the keel.

[AnobiumPunctatum]

Mike, you don't missinterpret AotS.

 

If I look on your last picture (plan copy) I think that the replica will be build as French ships would built. The deadwood and the only use of double frames looks like it was drawn in the book "The 74gun ship" by Boudriot. As fas as I know -but in the forum are a lot of people which have more experience with American ship building- it is common that American ship would built in French and English tradition.

Edited January 2, 2016 by AnobiumPunctatum