HMS Victory by dafi - Heller - PLASTIC - To Victory and beyond ...

[amateur]

Btw shouldn't that be a hook joint in the waterway of that deck?

 

Jan

[dafi]

Yes eagle eyed Jan, there should be :-)

 

But that was to small for the wood I used ...

 

The waterway is about 2 mm wide.

 

XXXDAn

Edited February 15, 2016 by dafi

[amateur]

[docidle]

Bloody brilliant Dan!

Edited February 16, 2016 by docidle

[riverboat]

You never cease to amaze us with your talent!!!  (that is so cool)

 

Frank

[amateur]

Now I come to think of it: isn't strange that it's equally crowded on both windward and lee side?

 

Jan

[dafi]

We are in a calm***, that is why two guys dare taking both hands for themselves :-)

 

XXXDAn

 

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[amateur]

Ah, that explains a lot

 

Jan

[dafi]

Just wanted to remind you at the calculation that I already made earlier about the average stay time there and at my prove, that this was a mere leisure event :-)

 

#5589 I cite myself:

 

Some small thoughts ...

 

... with 800 men crew and 6 seats we get this optimized calculation: 

 

800 men (NCO) / 6 seats gives 133 men/seat 

 

In a optimized 24 hours use using all seats we get the following numbers: 

 

24 hours = 1440 minutes 

 

1440 minutes / 133 men = 10,5 minutes/man per day. This means no second wasted and the next user always stand by. 

 

If you take account of that not the whole day it is possible to have this steady usage because of time, scedules and weather, the usage time per person sinks dramatically. If I remember well, constipation was widely spread, which leads to longer men mean residence time. 

 

So the conclusion is, that the heads, regarding the weather, daytime and service schedule, could possibly be a quite crowded place at certain moments. 

 

This account only includes the "big business". There still would be some persons too to be expected at the heads for the "small business", if they are not preferring hanging out in the shrouds (leewards): One hand for the ship and one hand for yourself - now that line is finally understood. 

 

A quick research in German Law and regulations indicates the following: 

 

Puplic Law of the State of lower Saxony says for a leisure event of 800 visitors the calculation should be: 

800:100 x 0,8 = 7 seated toilets and 800:100 x 1,2 = 10 urinals (always rounded) 

 

The Law of Working Spaces "Arbeitsstätten-Richtlinie, ArbStätt 5.037.1, vom 26. Juni 1976 (ArbSch. 9/1976 S. 322)" 

for 250 employes one needs 10 seated toilets and 10 urinals, that means more than double for 800 employees. 

 

In a converse argument that leads to the conclusion: 

For a working place the ship should have 5 times more seated toilets and this leads to - that by the number of seats - the ship must be a leisure event - Join the Navy - see the better world! 

 

Sehr geehrter Gruß, Ihr treuergebener Diener

most sincerely, your humble servant,

 

dafi

Edited February 16, 2016 by dafi

[amateur]

But perhaps the english are more efficient?

 

Jan

[_SalD_]

 

 

... but still have to check if the loo paper was used that way hanging into the water to give it always an appearance of clean fresh spring  ;-)

 

 

XXXDan

 

 

now that's funny...

[Beef Wellington]

Wasn't one of the roles of the Marines to 'protect' certain areas of the ship (esp. lower tiers) to prevent those 'in need' from finding a place to 'do their business' if the 'main office' is fully occupied....not sure I can think of too many other euphemisms.  The lower parts of the ship were in any event a pretty putrid place...

[dafi]

@Sal

 

A small detail, very often seen in dutch drawings, here analog the ones in the stern ...

 

 

... also to be found on the heads.

 

Also Colbert shows something alike:

 

 

 

I just do not know if this was still in use with the Royal Navy or if a bucket and a wet finger was meant to do the job.

 

@Jason: I remember an order for the constitution that the pi**ing in the hold and other areas was meant to be stopped. I do not remember the source or details.

Edited February 16, 2016 by dafi

[popeye the sailor]

is it less crowded  'after hours'?  I'm sure later in the evening,  there must be a lull in the operations.  they must surely sleep in shifts  

[dafi]

I would guess that the weather had much more an influence upon the calculation ;-)

 

On cold windy days with a lot of spray I would guess, one would not have to wait to long for a seat to get free ...

 

By the way, small trivia, did you realise it in MaC, THE film, the sequence, in the pursuit in the icy stormy waether, everybody hanging in the shrouds to balance the ship, but one who appears to be sitting and easing off ?!? I think no good idea!

 

XXXDAn

Edited February 17, 2016 by dafi

[Jolley Roger]

I learn something new everyday....

[Altduck]

Dafi,

 

re your calculations:

 

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"1440 minutes / 133 men = 10,5 minutes/man per day. This means no second wasted and the next user always stand by. 

 

If you take account of that not the whole day it is possible to have this steady usage because of time, schedules and weather, the usage time per person sinks dramatically. If I remember well, constipation was widely spread, which leads to longer men mean residence time."

 

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OK, but if they are constipated, maybe it's 21 minutes per man, every OTHER day.

 

 

Richard

[mtaylor]

I've read accounts where at times the lines were very long.  Those at the back of the line, if they couldn't wait any longer would go out in the channels, drop the pants to half-mast and let fly.. so to speak.  Pissdales would also have lines at times.   Other times, no lines, no waiting.  

 

There's an excellent thesis here on the topic:  http://nautarch.tamu.edu/Theses/pdf-files/Simmons-MA1985.pdf

[dafi]

Thank you Mark for reminding me at this thesis, have to scan it again for ideas that escaped to me in the days.

 

Unbelievable, how certain topics get the full attention ;-)

 

Thank you Sirs!!!

 

As I am told being jumpy, I jump from the far front to the far back of the boat - mind the fully framed marine-technological technical terms ;-)

 

So went on for the rudder pendents. Used a 1,5 mm Evergreen rod and made a core hole with 0,5 mm ...

 

 

... and enlarged to 0,7 mm, lengthened to 1 mm and used a cherry miller to round the edges. 

 

First trial with a properly smartened rope was far too thick ... 

 

 

... next trial with just the splice being smartened was far better in appearance.

 

 

Still a lashing for that the hook stays in place ...

 

 

... and things are already in place.

 

XXXDAn

[Gerhardvienna]

Hi Daniel

 

I`m learning with every step you do on your Vic! Thank you for showing all this hints &tricks!

 

Regards

Gerhard

[dafi]

Everything to delight you Gerhard, my pleasure!!!

 

But then disaster, the eminent authority from my german forum destroyed my hope of getting more "like"s ...

 

... "the securing thread of the hook should be done in figures of 8" he said, how can one do such a failure ...

 

... so back into the ship yard and - this time with 3 spectacles one placed over the other - some micro chirurgic minimal invasive wizardry to satisfy my master.

 

 

Then on onto the other side ...

 

 

... and with the experience even the smartening of the splice came out more ship shape and Bristol fashion.

 

Then used my drawing plate ...

 

 

... to get the small toggle for the securing line.

 

 

And a small overview.

 

 

Looks great, but dear Dirk/Dubz started a discussion in our german forum about the rope extension, if this one was a correct feature. The chain is shown on many models, the rope not ...

 

XXXDAn

Edited February 20, 2016 by dafi

[dafi]

Ok, some more Brain Salad Surgery ...

 

Nurse - scalpel, swab, scrapping certificate!

 

 

In those days, when I was still jung and inexperienced but full of zest and enthusiasm, those days that I was not yet able to do my own ropework, and then those days of often enjoying showing off the moving of the rudder, but by now the gear is looking a bit deranged, a tad tousled ... 

 

 

... so out came some brave cuts ...

 

 

... but also the big table was shredded to pieces :-(

 

 

So carved a bar of blocks

 

 

... same nice bondage with the 4 sisters ...

 

 

... and the most difficult, the clearing off the traces of old glue, the patented kardan drill made it possible ...

 

 

... and prepared the new tackles.

 

[dafi]

The assembly was even easier than expected ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

... and once again had enough luck for the job :-)

 

 

Cheers, DAniel

[dafi]

Thank you Sirs,

 

now back to the front, doing some catting :-)

 

First mistreated some wood ...

 

 

... rounding things up ...

 

 

... and prepared for blackening.

 

 

And there it already hangs ...

 

 

... depper darling, deeper ...

 

 

... ohohoh hihihigher ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... and all on top ...

 

 

 

 

I hope the next updates will get more exciting again :-)

 

XXXDAn

[popeye the sailor]

sweet!  when you scroll through the pictures really fast,  the anchor rises!  so cool!

[dafi]

It´s not a trick, it´s a dafi ;-)

 

XXXDAn

[dafi]

Just do it ;-)

 

What is that now ?!?

 

 

...hihihihihihi...

 

XXXDAn

[Gerhardvienna]

 

Just do it ;-)

 

What is that now ?!?...............

 

 

 

...hihihihihihi...

 

XXXDAn

 

 

I have no clue, but I konw you will surprise us again..............

Now I call it Victory by Dafi Surprise

 

Regards

Gerhard

[dafi]

Thank you Gerhard!

 

And now, what were those parts?

 

...hihihihihi...

 

They were a provocation!!!

 

Why?!? As always, when i find obscure details, I just build and wait for the horrified outcries ;-)

 

These parts are the shoes for the fishing david, mentioned in Marquardt and described by Lee, but only found two very vague contemporary drawings that do not really define the form. The shoe serves for the david not to damage the hull or channels and also avoids it sliding sidewards.

 

To define the form of the shoe, of course the davit is necessary, just to fit like a shoe :-)

 

 

Some blocks help rectangular sanding.

Eine erhöhte rechtwinklige Unterlage und ein fixer Führungs- und ein geführter Schleifklotz sorgen für geraden Abschluss.

 

 

As already done with the anchors, I used my Edding-technic ...

 

 

... as the color shows nicely ...

 

 

... if the sanding is getting even ...

 

 

... also at the conus. Applied some paint and it is finished fast ;-)

 

 

And to see if the shoe fits, immediately applied to the place McKay suggests.

 

 

But that looks strange as the deadeyes are in the way. I think one more deadeye aback there is the opening for the chasing gun, that would be the mire appropriate placement also no hammock netting in the way there, which would facilitate handling a lot.

 

XXXDAn

[riverboat]

Nice!work Dafi..... real nice!!!....

 

Frank