amateur Posted November 6, 2013 #421 Posted November 6, 2013 But the one by Chris is definitely better. Jan
yvesvidal Posted November 6, 2013 Author #422 Posted November 6, 2013 hi Yves, I don't know about Amati, but Corel has already marketed the Bellona a few years ago ( I bought it but didn't start it yet). Yes, it is true that Corel does a Bellona at 1/100 scale. It is small, very difficult to work at this scale and the kit is quite expensive. What we need is a Bellona at 1/64th scale to go with most of the Period Ships made. There is a fellow on the Scratch Build Forum that has started a Bellona at 1/64th and it is a master piece. Yves
chris watton Posted November 11, 2013 #423 Posted November 11, 2013 There may be some news regarding Bellona soon - in the meantime, I have to start work and research on a 32nd scale Roman war galley.... Roma Victor! mtaylor, Kevin, JeffT and 1 other 4 Vanguard Models on Facebook
yvesvidal Posted November 11, 2013 Author #424 Posted November 11, 2013 A Roman war galley.... That is a completely different animal. Let's start a new thread Chris so as not to mix material from Period Ships with Roman era. Yves
overdale Posted November 11, 2013 #425 Posted November 11, 2013 ''Let's start a new thread Chris so as not to mix material from Period Ships with Roman era.'' Isn't a Roman war galley a period ship..?
demonborger Posted November 12, 2013 #426 Posted November 12, 2013 There may be some news regarding Bellona soon - in the meantime, I have to start work and research on a 32nd scale Roman war galley.... Roma Victor! The unofficial definitive period for the term "period" is the Georgian era, we can thank Jane Austen and the BBC for it If this rule is followed then there is hope we will see a steam/sail ironclad experimental warship... A roman galley poses several interesting questions. Will it have a corvus? Will it have a harpax? Will it have a nice mini ballista kit or two? Or perhaps a catapult? Imagine a rubber band working ballista w/harpax How many rowers to an oar? How many banks of oars? How many castles on deck? Kits owned: Mamoli Royal Louis, Mamoli Friesland, Mamoli HMS Victory 1:90, Occre Santisima Trinidad, Constructo HMS Prince
chris watton Posted November 12, 2013 #427 Posted November 12, 2013 I won't start a new thread on this, as I am not sure who the kit will be for, so may be restricted in what I can give away. I don't think it'll have a corvus, the Romans tried these in the 1st Punic War - although quite successful, they were also successful in making the vessels very unstable and many ships were lost because of this. (from what I have read, at least..) As for ballista/scorpion/harpax/onager or two - it would be rude not to! Not sure about oar arrangement yet - still researching.... Regarding an ironclad - I personally like them and would love to develop one (I remember with fondness helping to develop and built the prototype of a 96th scale pre-dreadnaught almost 20 years ago now) - but I don't think it will ever happen. Even Warrior is often met with luke warm enthusiasm at best - and that's one of the prettier and well known transitional vessels. The rest are interesting, but ugly when compared to the vessels they usurped - the Victorian period just isn't that romantic when it comes to ships - most kit modellers aren't interested (although I know there will always be niche's within niche's), especially when compared to the earlier periods. In my own humble optional, of course.. trippwj and WackoWolf 2 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Kusawa2000 Posted November 15, 2013 #428 Posted November 15, 2013 There may be some news regarding Bellona soon - in the meantime, I have to start work and research on a 32nd scale Roman war galley.... Roma Victor! Hey Chris: Any news is good news.. looking forward to those updates when then happen! Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild
rtropp Posted November 15, 2013 #429 Posted November 15, 2013 Hi, Just got to this thread. I may have missed it but is there an issue date for the 1:64 Victory? Richard RichardMember: The Nautical Research Guild Atlanta Model Shipwrights Current build: Syren
cnemo Posted November 27, 2013 #430 Posted November 27, 2013 Hello to all.I am, cnemo, a member of this forum and I live in Turin, Italy.To Turin there is the shop of Amati.Yesterday I went into the store by Amati and I met Mr Amati.He confirmed that the Bellona, will be produced in 1/72 scale and will be sold in over a year JeffT, Timmo, rtropp and 4 others 7
Kusawa2000 Posted November 28, 2013 #431 Posted November 28, 2013 Hello to all. I am, cnemo, a member of this forum and I live in Turin, Italy. To Turin there is the shop of Amati. Yesterday I went into the store by Amati and I met Mr Amati. He confirmed that the Bellona, will be produced in 1/72 scale and will be sold in over a year Cnemo: Thank you for the great news! I will definitely be waiting for that release. Definitely keep us posted with any new information. Thanks again. Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild
joemo Posted November 28, 2013 #432 Posted November 28, 2013 cnemo, Did Mr. Amati mention anything about release of Mr. Wattons HMS. Victory? You are a excellent contact for the members of this forum All I can say is THANK YOU Joe
Ulises Victoria Posted November 28, 2013 #433 Posted November 28, 2013 Yes cnemo. Please!!!. We would love to have ANY information regarding the 1/64 Victory. Tim 1 There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time!
Ulises Victoria Posted November 30, 2013 #434 Posted November 30, 2013 The last issue of the Nautical Research Guild journal, features an extensive article by Chris Watton about his building of this amazing model. Haven't had the time to read it yet, but that is a must read! There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time!
Kevin Posted December 25, 2013 #435 Posted December 25, 2013 Merry Christmas and Happy new year to you and family, and thank you for all your work towards this hobby Rustyj, st george, Beef Wellington and 2 others 5 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
lawrence Posted December 26, 2013 #436 Posted December 26, 2013 Hi Chris, My name is Lawrence I am a very recent member of this excellent site and am wondering if you could give me the dimensions of a gun carriage for a 32 pounder from the Victory. A very good friend of mine has made me a 31.3cm length brass cannon ( it weighs a ton!!!)with the proviso that I construct the carriage. I fully realise that you must be very busy,but I would be very grateful for any assistance. Kind regards Lawrence ps.Happy New Year
maltbyguy Posted December 28, 2013 #437 Posted December 28, 2013 Just a thought When I asked Jotika why their Nelson series were all in 1/64 but victory was 1/72 they said they had plans to do a 1/64 kit but the carriers said it would be too heavy to economically send, hence the 1/72 kit I wonder if anyone at Amati has thought of this?
mtaylor Posted December 29, 2013 #438 Posted December 29, 2013 There's another issue besides weight with UPS, FED-EX and their ilk: size. They take the length, width, and depth, add them together. Over a certain size, you pay a premium for shipping. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
janet bode Posted January 5, 2014 #439 Posted January 5, 2014 Chris I am truely in awe at this beutiful model of Victory how i would like to build her, however i fear i am a little to old to engage in such a long term project as i do not yet have the skill yet .At the moment i am working on A-LATINAS Red Dragon it has taken me a long as i try to be as perfact as i can be. anyway thanks for the insperation you give. Janet B
rtropp Posted January 5, 2014 #440 Posted January 5, 2014 Janet, After I retired I worried about stuff like that. But, what if its the projects we undertake that keeps us going? Richard freewheelinguy, mtaylor, tkay11 and 2 others 5 RichardMember: The Nautical Research Guild Atlanta Model Shipwrights Current build: Syren
Ulises Victoria Posted January 5, 2014 #441 Posted January 5, 2014 Hello Janet. Like you I am in awe at this ship/kit. I am not sure if I will ever finish it, but I'm going to buy it and give it a try. What's the worse that can happen? Best regards. granta 1 There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time!
joemo Posted January 5, 2014 #442 Posted January 5, 2014 I have learned a lot from Chris's work posted on this forum and hope all is well with him. He has not posted anything since early November. Hope everything is ok Joe
chris watton Posted January 9, 2014 #443 Posted January 9, 2014 Hi Chris, My name is Lawrence I am a very recent member of this excellent site and am wondering if you could give me the dimensions of a gun carriage for a 32 pounder from the Victory. A very good friend of mine has made me a 31.3cm length brass cannon ( it weighs a ton!!!)with the proviso that I construct the carriage. I fully realise that you must be very busy,but I would be very grateful for any assistance. Kind regards Lawrence ps.Happy New Year Hi Lawrence, The length of the 32 pounder is just over 50mm. Vanguard Models on Facebook
chris watton Posted January 9, 2014 #444 Posted January 9, 2014 I don't think the quote/multi quote app is working properly today... Vanguard Models on Facebook
chris watton Posted January 9, 2014 #445 Posted January 9, 2014 Hi Chris: I would like to ask if you can get Amati to make 4 mm deadeyes. These used to be available through Model Shipways and was carried for a while by Model Expo. The people that bought A. J. Fisher have taken over the Model Shipways parts and they say there is no source to get this and have sold the last ones that were available. Why they discontinued these and still make the others is strange, but that is what has happened. Thanks. I am not sure if AMATI will want to make other sizes, we have 2, 3.5, 5, 7 and 9mm already, I think. Vanguard Models on Facebook
chris watton Posted January 9, 2014 #446 Posted January 9, 2014 Just a thought When I asked Jotika why their Nelson series were all in 1/64 but victory was 1/72 they said they had plans to do a 1/64 kit but the carriers said it would be too heavy to economically send, hence the 1/72 kit I wonder if anyone at Amati has thought of this? No - I started the designs for that model in 2001, and it was to be 72nd from the off. At the time, I thought that 64th scale would have been too large for most - nothing whatsoever to do with the carriers. Also, the parts are split (keel split into two, like most of our new models), along with decks, so length of finished models bares no relation to box size. Vanguard is about 14kg, I imagine Victory to be around the 18kg mark. The extra decks in Victory probably equate to an extra 30mm thickness is materials in the box. There is lots more photo etching, but again, how thick is each sheet? (Although the 102 full length cannon barrels may add a kg....) Vanguard Models on Facebook
chris watton Posted January 9, 2014 #447 Posted January 9, 2014 I have learned a lot from Chris's work posted on this forum and hope all is well with him. He has not posted anything since early November. Hope everything is ok Joe Hiya! I am OK, thank you. Just been busy doing boring research and designing the Roman Quinquireme (not easy as most drawings available are speculation, and there are no lines, which I had to produce myself...). It is 48th scale, giving a length of just over a metre - 32nd scale would have been just too huge. I had the first prototype cut files arrive over Christmas, for the hull and am now building it up, making changes as I do. Also been plodding on with Victory stuff... Greg, WackoWolf and freewheelinguy 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook
WackoWolf Posted January 9, 2014 #448 Posted January 9, 2014 Will be waiting for the build pictures when you have them. Happy New Year. Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
joemo Posted January 9, 2014 #449 Posted January 9, 2014 Chris, Great to hear all is well, and answered the questions on shipping the Victory kit. New York is along way from Italy, but the cost will be worth it. There have been over 56,000 views of this forum (amazing). Your Victory model was amazing. Good luck on your new project. Joe
rtropp Posted January 9, 2014 #450 Posted January 9, 2014 I would like to find out more about the victory kit discussed here but am having difficulty finding it. Can anyone supply a link for me? Thanks, Richard RichardMember: The Nautical Research Guild Atlanta Model Shipwrights Current build: Syren
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