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Tung Oil "Experiment"
knightyo replied to knightyo's topic in Painting, finishing and weathering products and techniques
Bob, I'd heard that as well. I'm using Formby's. I'm not at home right now, but I'm pretty sure it isn't real tung oil. I have to admit I'd wondered if my model would spontaneously combust or not. Alan -
Fantastic replies! I have a lot of thinking to do. And it may in fact be more logical/quicker for me to draw everything out by hand. Phil, those are great examples. The curved planking is exactly what I'm wishing to draw, with hook scarfs where needed. Alan
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Hi Jim, kind of... Hook Scarfs.. Phil, you hit the nail on the head regarding the time spent learning a new program taking time away from actual work on the model. My goal is definitely to print 2D plans. I'll also definitely need the ability to draw in exact scale.. Alan
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Tung Oil "Experiment"
knightyo replied to knightyo's topic in Painting, finishing and weathering products and techniques
Excellent feedback. Thank you! I'll fiddle with what I've already done, then thin the oil with mineral spirits, and proceed according to the above instruction. Mark, no danger of glue spots on this one. I'd sanded the rails down with progressively finer grits until the last phase, which was done with a grit almost as fine as paper. I do wonder if the surface was "too" smooth, not allowing the oil to penetrate properly... Alan -
It looks like I have an interesting experiment on my hands (below). The right side of the back rail has had tung oil applied, and apparently the back rail received a few drops as well. The "splotchiness" of the finish has been an unfortunate surprise. I've been reading logs regarding tung oil; it appears that some people apply directly to the model at 100% strength, whereas others apply a 50/50 mixture of tung and mineral spirits. I suspect now that I should have applied a 50/50 mixture to avoid splotchiness. Thoughts? I've also heard that "more is better", and that splotchiness can be overcome with more coats. I can go that route, or apply mineral spirits now to remove what has been done to date. Thoughts? I'm not sure how to proceed. The frustrating thing is that I tested the tung oil at 100% strength on identically sanded samples, and none of them revealed the splotchiness effect. Just this rail. The sides also look acceptable with just the "shiyiness" aspect to address.... Alan
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I've been attempting to draw out the deck planking pattern for my Triton project on graph paper which has worked out very well for me in the past. However, since the deck planks taper towards the bow/stern resulting in curved planks and planks with differing widths, my graph paper and pencil method has been leaving a lot to be desired. What would be the easiest software solution to fiddle with planking pattern design? I've been told Sketchup is the way to go since I have virtually zero drawing/CAD experience, but wanted to check with this group as well... Alan
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The timing of posts has a large effect on whether or not one receives comments. It often just depends who sees the posting when it occurs. Since there are often a large number of posts (especially in the Kits area), build logs can become overlooked very easily. If I have a question on any given technique or I am really stuck on something, I'll go to the relevant "techniques" area and pose the question as opposed to bringing the question up in my own log. If a log has been established for a while and already has a number of followers, there will be a higher likelihood of questions being answered within the log. I believe the other thing which occurs is that we all go through "phases" of interest, and only view certain "types" of logs during these phases. Just like life, any type of community like this can be fairly random.. Alan
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I am subject to the same rules, I find. Sometimes it's a zero ship in the shipyard rule! Alan
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I've decided to pretty drastically update this log, as all of the early construction posts were eventually rendered obsolete as I changed my mind and started the model over a few times in order to attempt to make it a little more accurate. The model currently doesn't resemble the mini-mamoli kit a lot, although the original core of wood is still in the center of the ship in most places. I'll probably also stay with the early lateen sail plan, although I'm toying with the idea of alterning the masts to reflect the voyage across the Atlantic. Alan
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The Bitumen Experiment
knightyo replied to ChrisLBren's topic in Painting, finishing and weathering products and techniques
I'd love to see more discussion on this topic! I'm considering the liquid Bitumen approach... Not sure where to get it in US tho... I do see Pentart Liquid Patina in the UK tho... Alan -
I'm also now debating my plank width in general. What general width do you guys things the king plank should be, as well as the standard planks? It looks like gundeck planks could be up to 12', but that king planks were also 12'? Alan
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Thanks guys! I'm good to go with the hooked plank concept, and have already drawn out a planking pattern. Now I'll re-draw the pattern incorporating planks narrowing towards the stem. I'll post in this thread when done. (I'm also going to tell my wife tonight that I'm a master shipwright). Alan
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Hello, I'm tinkering with the HMS Triton in my free time, and am thinking about the deck planking patterns. I understand that the deck planks would narrow as they approached the stem. Does anyone know to what degree the planks narrowed? Alan
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Hi Jorge, Unfortunately not. For the past few years (actually a LOT of years!) I've only been able to work in short spurts... I have however, decided to modify the deck planking plan I developed above, and indeed taper the planks as they move towards the bow. Alan
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I feel like an underachiever. I didn't even think about firearms or explosives. I just used rocks...😕 I will say that I immolated one of my old smurf houses when I realized that I was a little too old for them. That was extremely satisfying at least..... Alan
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Thanks Mark. I think you are right. Once it's done, I can decide whether or not to do the same with the upper decks..
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So I had a bit of fun the other day drawing out the deck planking. I felt that 1/8" planks were a reasonable width, so went with that. I can't remember if I'd mentioned before why I'm planking the lower deck, as it won't be able to be seen due to the upper decks. The reasoning behind this is that I believe I need the practice. It will also be a chance to experiment with new wood, and to experiment with methods of trennailing. If I don't like the finished look, I can modify things for the upper decks, and only we will know! With the end of the planks =1/3 of the plank width and the length of snipe = less than twice the width of the plank, I ended up with the below result incorporating the king plank. But.... I didn't narrow the planks as they moved towards the stem/stern. If I had done so, they would be awfully narrow as they ended. Thoughts? Would it be truly inaccurate to plank the deck without narrowing the planks at the ends? It would be pretty easy for me to erase things and start over. I really do want the planking to be as accurate as possible. (I haven't yet drawn the scarfs in the margin planks, or corrected the ultra-thin planks against the margin plank in the mid ship sections. Also have not yet determined whether or not to go with a 3 or 4 plank shift).
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It might be somewhat torturous, but how about building/painting BOTH sets of aircraft? That would allow you to change them out annually, or whenever the whim strikes! They won't be adhered to the deck, will they? Alan
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Is it possible to like a post around 20 times? I'm really looking forward to this one. Alan
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Looks like Danny incorporated a king plank as well. I don't think I can go wrong following his and Chuck's lead, and will start drawing the decking plan accordingly.
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Ok, I should have the opportunity tomorrow to draw out the Lower Deck planking pattern.... Chuck's Confederacy plans call for a single plank to run down the center of the deck, and planking outward from the "king" plank to both sides to the bulwarks. What is the general consensus for Triton? Would it have had the king plank in the center? As I look at the cross section midships .pdf, it looks like there is not a king plank in the center.... Alan
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This made me lol and lol. I have a few of these projects as well. 😀 The ship looks great so far! Alan
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