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Beef Wellington

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  1. Have started the gunport linings, this will be slow. Fine tuning the ports so they align appropriately is the order of the day. The technique I'm using is to first install the lower cills, and to ensure that the cills are horizontal athwart-ship am using a strip of wood to ensure it sits flat on both sides. Lots of double checking to ensure that position is correct. Once lower cill is fixed, the upper is glued using an appropriately sized spacer to keep upper and lower cills parallel. Side linings added last. And finally, happy Spring everyone! I keep mentioning waiting for warmer weather to get some good sanding done on the hull.....well, this is the scene this morning, looks like I'm still waiting....
  2. I've ordered quite a bit from CMB and have always been happy...until my last order a few weeks ago. Items were missing,and multiple wood strip sizes ordered were the wrong dimension (e.g supplying .5mm thick rather than 1mm, or 5mm vs 6mm). Rather annoying, but they seem willing to fix the issue and I won't hold one mistake against them. Wonder if they've had some staffing issues, seems my issue was not isolated.
  3. Thanks Jim and Sjors, appreciate the kind words, it was a long time coming and still needs some more sanding to get it where I want it to be. I'm going to wait for some warm weather as I find it quite relaxing sitting outside with a suitable beverage sanding, and theres no push to rush it. Gunports Cracking on with the gunports. This seems to be yet another problematic area with this kit, and here was my approach to hopefully assist other builders of this kit (My thanks to Ray who first trod this path and whose shoulders I'm standing on). The instructions are no help here, and the plans inaccurate. I used the AOTS extensively to estimate as best I can the dimensions, and this required plenty of tinkering. The supplied template is a waste of time as it forces the ports to be square, rather than the bottom cill following the sheer of the deck. Bulkheads 10, 11 & 12 are key to laying out the ports as these bulkheads dictate the positions of gunports 7, 8 & 9. Not mention in the instructions/plans is that gunports 8 & 9 are spaced farther apart than all the others, which are equidistant. The arrows indicate the edge of bulkheads indicating the potential extremities of the ports, 7 & 8 are 30mm apart, 8 & 9 37mm. The remaining ports were then marked to be 30mm apart (which does actually match the supplied template). The edge of the plank was used to determine the appropriate height. This resulted in two problems, the first was expected, the second not. I had suspected that the gunport 1 would interfere with bulkead 4, and had build up additional material so this could be cut away without (hopefully) critically weakend the structure. The unexpected problem came with gunport 2 and bulkhead 5 as these coincide. I was determined to have equally spaced ports, so resorted to some emergency surgery, basically cut some spare 5mm ply cut approximately to shape and inserted between the bulwarks and against bulkhead 5 - the same approach taken before planking for bulkhead 4. Plenty of glue was used to secure this as strongly as possible. Once dry, the ports were cut and fully and trimmed to approximate shape. First picture is gunport 1 (showing how much of the bulkhead is compromised), followed by ports 1 & 2 showing the same Finally the overall shot showing how alignment looks, still work to do here but starting to look like a ship rather than a bathtub! All ports are 30mm apart, except for the aforementioned 8&9. I'm a happy camper.
  4. Mark, I was about to give you a dollar for every time I referenced the AOTS book, but guess I can't now :-) Yes, I have it and am referencing it extensively. The side profile on pages 68 and 69 show the gunport lids (cut cut back planking) and the un-lidded ports exactly the same size which I didn't think was correct as you point out above, of course printing at this scale makes a hard analysis difficult. Thanks for helping with my question!
  5. Thanks for kind words Wayne, Eamonn, Carl, Mike and the 'likes'... I do have a couple of question that may be very basic but I'm struggling to answer: Should the external dimension of open gunports (i.e. without lids) and those with lids be the same (which would mean that the actual dimensions of the port aperture would be slightly smaller for those with lids because of the lip)? Or, should the aperture dimensions be the same, which means the ports with lids are slightly bigger Should the lower edge of the port be parallel to the deck or the keel and should the sides of the port be perpendicular to the keel?. (The former resulting in a slightly trapezoidal shape toward stern and bow). Hope this makes sense, any help would be much appreciated.
  6. You got sweet deal there Wayne! Wondered if you'd considered Chucks other projects to the Cutter Cheerful,the upcoming Winchelsea?. Of course I'm partial to Cruizers, so you can't go wrong really.
  7. Cheers Guys for the comments and likes, its nice to share a journey with friends. Sjors/Mobbsie - its not an exact replica of me, I had to scale down the pecs to fit Well, a major milestone arrived slowly. Finally the first planking is complete. This time the bow presented me a few problems to solve, all self inflicted because I've deviated from the kit. Because I had decided to customize the bow so I could fit the bowsprit through rather than sitting in a notch on the stem, it essentially took away any anchor points for the fo'c'sle bulwark. The solution I used was to shape some balsa blocks to the appropriate shape and temporarily mount on top of the bow filler blocks, this allowed the planks to be given the appropriate curvature (after soaking) and then securely glued edge on the plank above and below (Hoepfully this will also provide some protection during upcoming phases). To ensure that the top of the bulwark has the right shape for the plansheer, I needed to shape the uppermost strips lower edge to key onto the plank below. Because this strip would be the most susceptible to damage, I used one pre-shaped strip curved completely around the bow. The bow on this ship looks deceptively simple but has some tricky curves, but even in this rough state the lines seem to be showing through very pleasingly. Note that the two shaper blocks are very slightly different height which gives the illusion that the top strip is not level, but it is....I must have checked it a million times. A scaled copy from the AOTS Diana book to get the correct shape of the bow and many diagrams cross referenced Finally a technique I found very helpful, but unfortunately not until I was nearly done. To keep planks edge on during planking I built these little 'U' shaped pegs out of some extra lime strip (the length of the slot is slightly deeper than the width of a strip) which can be used in many places to help keep strips edge on in some the tricky curving areas at the bow. The uppermost strip is only approximately shaped at this point, I want to wait until the deck is on the determine final dimensions. In the waist, I once again deviated from the instructions and carried the planking 2mm above the top of the bulkheads rather than stopping at the top as indicated in the instructions to allow for the thickness of the 1mm false deck and 1mm deck planking. Any excess should be easy to remove if necessary.
  8. Looks like my post crossed with Jhearl's Jonny, I've seen some people draw lines on a piece of card to assist in the alignment which they place behind the shrouds. Here another approach which I used, basically use a couple of spare strips to help get the ratlines with equal spacement. The other advantage of this is that the strips together with some pegs hold the shrouds in place - otherwise the tendency is for the ratlines to pull the shrouds together, even so, this needs constant attention. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/509-hms-snake-by-beef-wellington-caldercraft-scale-1-64-first-wooden-ship-build/page-36#entry168714 I think its fair to say that the ratlines seem to be few peoples favourite steps as it can be quite tedious, I found I didn't mind it, but I'd definitely recommend not trying to rush it. Use clove hitches as these can be adjusted if things go awry, and don't be afraid of re-dos. I found a glue call G-S Hypo Cement to be very effective on rigging, it remains somewhat flexible once dry and is clear. I personally don't like using CA glue on the rigging as it spreads unpredictably and seems to result in hard sections that look unnatural, in addition to changing the colour of the line. I've used watered down PVA glue on the rigging once complete to secure any other knots/hitches - its also has the benefit of helping get rid of any 'fuzzies'.
  9. Jonny, I'd recommend checking out www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk. They'll have pretty much anything you need, I've had great service from them even shipping to the US. Postage will be cheaper for you and probably all around it would save the cost of petrol and risk of disappointment.
  10. Chuck, looks like a great start, I too am very interested to see how you progress with this kit - kit framed models intrigue me.
  11. Bit of a diversion while I continue to wait for some more Limewood from CMB. I had planned to replace the plywood false keel stem with boxwood, originally I was going to simply cut out the replacement shape. However, I though this would be a good opportunity to do a little 'scratch' building to give me a flavour for it. I followed the diagrams in the AOTS book, although simplified them slightly (using enlarged scans as pseudo plans while reconciling key dimensions back to the kit to ensure things stay in line). Took quite a few days to do (a full framed ship would clearly be out of the question for me!), its certainly not up to Chuck's standard but overall I was really happy with the result for a first attempt. I lightly used a pencil to highlight the seams to a small degree without wanting to overdo this. Unfortunately, I suspect I will be painting over 75% of this, but it was great experience. I rounded of and tapered the knee of the head using approximate guidance from the FFM book 1. I think this should be tapered more, but I stopped where I did because it resulted in a nice snug fit for the figurehead I plan to use, any more would have resulted in gaps. I rounded the leading edge, and will wait to cut the gammoning slot until I'm confident of the placement of the head rail features. You can see the comparison below between the supplied Diana figurehead which is clearly made to straddle a 5mm knee and result in gaps. I purchased the figure head from Syren when I bought the kit. Everything in place (dry fitted for now). Took some adjustment to ensure I the bowsprit would sit correctly and clear the figurehead. Also have addressed the lower counter at the stern. I got quite aggressive and cut back the transition between the lower counter and the planking to ensure this drops and sweeps forward as it appears to in the AOTS book. I'm only going to use 1 set of the lower counter shapers Premade a lower counter sheet which I though might work better than simple planking. Looks like some adjustment will be needed as the keel former extends into the hole for the rudder. I've got my approach laid out for the upper counter and stern fascia which will probably deviate from what the kit suggests...but thats a story for a future post
  12. Jonny, maybe some photos would help come up with some additional ideas. I'd recommend fixing it now before you do anything else, the worst thing would be to 'fix it' and continue and then have it fail again right at completion when there will be far more wasted work and possibility of larger extent of damage. A stitch in time saves nine....just my initial reaction.
  13. Ray - thanks for the tip on the jeers, not got there yet but they've always appeared to look very tricky to get right and you nailed it. You look to be getting very close to completion Ray, dare I ask what is next?
  14. Sjors, I would also have placed it looking forward, but...wanting to make you feel better here is a contemporary model with the chimney facing aft as you have it, I think you can sleep soundly!
  15. Looking good. As Mike says, good practice and an opportunity to figure out how you want to finish the more visible decks. Something to remember is that the but shift would only have been used on full planking runs from stem to stern. Planking between any hatch coamings, partners etc would have just used a single plank with no butt joint - visually that means the butt shift is less apparent along the center line.
  16. Thats looking sweet Eamonn! Curious what influenced you to put the angle brackets on the coamings next the holes for the anchor hawse? Never seen that before but looks great. Is it paper?
  17. Thanks Ray I think your statement about this kit being more complex than it appears is spot on! I wasn't planning on installing these until the second planking is done as you say, but do want to ensure I don't set myself up for an unpleasant surprise. Maybe its because I don't have my planking on yet, but the side galleries and the stern windows extend above the upper deck which is what got me concerned in the first place with the alignment. I have my plan now so just need to execute!
  18. Time has flown by, maybe time to note down a few thoughts on my plan of attack. Its been a lot of fun spending lots of time tinkering with various bits so far, but I do want to make some concrete progress. None of the diagrams solve the aligment dilemmas, and I'm less than convinced that the placement/shape is correct on various supplied parts, and I really wanted to be comfortable that I wouldn't be setting myself for future frustration. My prediction of running out of lime strip did come to pass so I have some on order (some of the kit supplied 1.5mm lime strip was on the thin side (~1-1.25mm) so I didn't use it, and I want make sure I've got plenty of thickness here to sand back)Here's what I've concluded, and the alignment I'll proceed with...at least until I find a new problem. Stern fascia: The top of this should align with the top of the keel former at the stern. Looking at many contemporary models, the stern windows feel larger in proportion to the fascia itself, and the proportions overall shown on the box art art and instructions just don't look right. The former itself appears over-sized to me and will require trimming at the bottom and the sides to maintain what I see as the correct proportions. This will mean that I will probably need to figure out my own solution for decorations in place of the supplied PE, but that should be fun. The PE windows should definitely be useable as are the castings. The two holes (assuming chaser ports) will also be enlarged. This is all for down the road though. Side galleries: The stern fascia size/alignment needs to also consider the side galleries, which should align nicely with the lines of the stern fascia and also align with the line of the gunports. The low-res NMM plans show the gallery windows appearing slightly above the line of the gunports, however, every contemporary model I've seen seems to show these lining up exactly with the line of the gun ports, as does the AOTS book and plans. I'll try to follow the latter, and use the NMM plan as justification if I need to sneak them up a little. The supplied parts will need to be reshaped to get the correct proportion, this seems a common Caldercraft scenario. Photos below show a little trick I found useful. Knowing I'd be using the PE windows, I copied the sheet on my home printer and simulated final placement, also whittled up a balsa wood quarter gallery so I could visualize the alignment. The grey-blue I'm using will likely not show correctly, but its a Tamiya colour and I quite like it - seems to sit well with boxwood I plan to use... Keel former: Once the above alignment is determined, the positioning of the upper and lower counter are shown to be too high. No problem, will just require the various former peices (26 & 27) to be 'corrected'. The other item that I'll address is not in the instructions. The termination of the lower counter and the hull planking would be perpendicular to the keel if taken to the last frame, however, I believe this should also gradually curve forward as it curves down. I also laminated some maple strip at the base of the stem to better shape this allowing for the needed extra depth to the keel. I've positioned a few strips to show how I plan to include the false keel. Upper Counter: The kit supplies a poor representation of the shape of the upper counter and simply says the lower counter should be planked. I'll plan to shape my own out of some spare 1mm maple sheet, this requires the stern fascia positioning to be known first. Quarterdeck bulwark: Positioning this also is a challenge like all premade templates. These need to be aligned so that the bottom of the gun ports are a consistent distance from the upper deck (which of course is not yet permanently fitted). I may leave these off for now as they will be very delicate once installed, but I will need to know the lie of the planks below so I can install these.
  19. Alexey, glad to see you modeling again, hope I didn't miss too much. Your old log here on MSW 1.0 was one of the first that I saw and was a big inspiration for me taking up the hobby. Really looking forward to seeing more progress. One question if I may, did you just use clear finish on the boxwood or any kind of stain?
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