edmay Posted June 2, 2015 #121 Posted June 2, 2015 Hello Jesse, Your modeling is nice to follow,you put thoughts,patience together ending with a fine result, with the mountains you often climb you always make it to the top,a joy to watch.Edwin. mtaylor, Pogy647, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote
JesseLee Posted June 2, 2015 Author #122 Posted June 2, 2015 Thanks Edwin & all the Likes. Thank you Chuck - I should have asked you first! Canute, GLakie, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
Piet Posted June 3, 2015 #123 Posted June 3, 2015 Good questions on the planking JesseLee. That stern to counter area is tricky, to say the least but it looks like you got it under control now. Looking really good. Cheers, JesseLee, GLakie, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)
popeye the sailor Posted June 3, 2015 #124 Posted June 3, 2015 she's looking super Jesse.......planking should be fun and go smoothly with the way you have it set up JesseLee, mtaylor and GLakie 3 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
mrangus Posted June 4, 2015 #125 Posted June 4, 2015 Seeing all the prep you put into the work Jesse is a great lesson in slowing down to get it right. Looking good... Salty Sea Dog, GLakie and clearway 3 Quote
JesseLee Posted June 5, 2015 Author #126 Posted June 5, 2015 Now starts the planking. Cutting & filing out around the gun & sweep ports. Glued on some of the first few planks. Here is where you find out if you got the spacing on both sides right on the previous steps. Looking at the sliver of planking under the gun port on each side looks like I am very slightly off by a millimeter or less. Think I can live with that! cog, Landlubber Mike, Sjors and 23 others 26 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
Cabbie Posted June 12, 2015 #127 Posted June 12, 2015 Hi Jesse thanks for the like, I'm looking forward to starting, been following your blog a little bit. I will take a lot more notice of yours and others from now on. It is such a good looking ship, has a bit of everything in it. Thanks Chris Hooroo JesseLee and GLakie 2 Quote HM Cutter Mermaid 1817 HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle Every action has a consequence
JesseLee Posted June 17, 2015 Author #128 Posted June 17, 2015 Haven't posted much- have been plugging away at the upper planking around the gun ports. This has been going slow for me. I can only work on it so long & my pain sets In & I have to stop. Anyway I noticed that there was too much of a dip in the planking curve on one side. The planking wasn't lining up at the same height on both sides. A little alcohol & a thin blade got this corrected. Re-glued it & continued on. Oh, almost forgot to show the method of caulking I ended up using. I tried to do the pencil but I kept indenting the edges of the planks because I couldn't seem to maintain an even pressure as I marked the edges. I also smudged it all over the place. I experimented with a few things & settled on this. I use a makeup sponge applicator thingy my wife dropped on the floor & paint the edge with some black paint. I smear this with my thumb to keep it thin. This seems to work well for me. Every day as I work on the ship one of our dogs, Lucy, faithfully lays at my feet as long as I work there. maddog33, Beef Wellington, Landlubber Mike and 20 others 23 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
GLakie Posted June 17, 2015 #129 Posted June 17, 2015 Your planking's progressing nicely Jesse. It's good to have a dog around. I miss mine being here and "helping" me do stuff. Didn't matter what. Salty Sea Dog, JesseLee, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
mrangus Posted June 17, 2015 #130 Posted June 17, 2015 Hey Jesse, I like the makeup kit approach to caulking. I went to an art store and bought an artists graphite pencil. the lead is really soft and I didn't have indent problems near what you can have with regular #2 or such. The smudge from the light graphite, especially when sanding, gave the wood a little bit of a weathered look. Anyways you've seen what I did, that was my secret. I also found that creating tree nails was pretty easy with a hard lead pencil - because they do indent well. Trick was to always keep sharp. Looks awesome. Canute, Piet, JesseLee and 3 others 6 Quote
JesseLee Posted June 19, 2015 Author #131 Posted June 19, 2015 Slow progress right now. As I neared completing the upper planking I had another area where the planks didn't line up with the top & bottom of the gun ports the same on both sides so I got out the alcohol & unglued the planks again to rework it so they lined up the same on both port & starboard sides. (pics to come later). As I am working on that I have been studying ahead & going over others Syren builds. I noticed the plans instruct to make simulated sheaves in the hull sides. I was thinking of making them go through like the real ones and realized that I don't know how to rig this. In the simulated version I would be gluing the end of a line into a false hole. If I were to have a real sheave where does the end of the line go to? Does it pass through the hull to the deck side to a cleat & tie off? Does it end in a coil? Any info that could be provided will help me decide which way I want to do this. If I do real sheave I think I should go on and build them in now before I complete the planking. mtaylor, Canute, CaptainSteve and 3 others 6 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
GLakie Posted June 19, 2015 #132 Posted June 19, 2015 I think a simulated sheave would just be 2 holes with a groove etched between them. A real sheave would have a pulley instead of a groove. Both should operate the same way with a line feeding through the hole and through the bulwarks to a pin or cleat, with the remainder coiled. Sheet-lines for instance, would be tied off after going through the sheave. JesseLee, CaptainSteve, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Robert-J-M Posted June 19, 2015 #133 Posted June 19, 2015 Hiya Jesse: Now that you found me, I found you! Just finished a long post with my bulwark planking struggles, maybe you'll find something useful. After your comments and work on the counter, I'm going to take another look at that on mine Good Luck! Robert GLakie, Canute and JesseLee 3 Quote Bye Y'all ! - Robert Current Build and First Wood Kit: Brig Syren MS Kit 1:64 Past Builds, all Plastic 30-40 years ago: Revell 1:96 Constitution and United States Tamiya 1:350 CVN-65 Enterprise Countless other sailing ships and modern warships
edmay Posted June 19, 2015 #134 Posted June 19, 2015 Hi Jesse,Looks like there's going to be a commando raid on the makeup bag,!! , your progress is looking good ( there's no speed limit),nice work,hope your feeling well.Edwin GLakie, Salty Sea Dog, JesseLee and 1 other 4 Quote
JesseLee Posted June 26, 2015 Author #135 Posted June 26, 2015 Had to pull up some planking where it didn't line up with the gun ports the same on each side. When I got to the stern I found the same problem. The pencil marks on each side shows I had it half a plank off. Pulled this up & got it right. Added the counter planking. Cut out the gun port holes in the transom & glued it into place. Beef Wellington, Ryland Craze, GLakie and 19 others 22 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
JesseLee Posted July 7, 2015 Author #136 Posted July 7, 2015 Decided not to have the fake sheaves as the kit instructs. I don't have a lot to work with so I made mine by layering pieces of wood. Glued & shaped them. I didn't have an easy way to make pulleys this small so I just put a toothpick through without the pulley. I figure it's so small once the rope is pulled through you wont see the difference anyway. Cut out the spaces for them in the planks & glued them in place. They still look rough- need sanding down & the openings shaped up more even. Will work on this as the planking is done. UpstateNY, cog, mtaylor and 20 others 23 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
mrangus Posted July 10, 2015 #137 Posted July 10, 2015 Very ingenious. That small stuff is fun to work with but a bit tough on the eyes! Looking good! (btw - interesting look with the red paint smeared over the gunports before covered up. Looks like a massacre occurred...) Piet, JesseLee and GLakie 3 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted July 12, 2015 #138 Posted July 12, 2015 Jesse - I like the fake sheaves, I'm thinking of doing something similar, and think you are spot on that these don't need to be perfect give the impression and the line will obscure any imperfections. Canute, JesseLee and GLakie 3 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
JesseLee Posted July 17, 2015 Author #139 Posted July 17, 2015 Skipped ahead to the tree nailing of the upper hull area that will be stained. Tested many methods on scrap wood. Tried wood filler, glue/sawdust, brass wire, even broom straw. Brass looked too different. The others didn't turn out looking as overall round. My drilling wasn't so perfect. I remembered seeing Dave Bullocks work in person & how good his looked. He uses the tooth pick method. So that's what I went with. They turned out a little bigger around than I had planned but they all looked perfectly round. I have tried multiple times to load my pics today but they will not load in the right order at all so I will try another day. GLakie, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
JesseLee Posted July 19, 2015 Author #140 Posted July 19, 2015 I held the tooth picks in my Dremel & sanded them sharp on some sanding sticks- first coarse then fine. Just a dab of glue & stick it in the hole. I snipped them off with fingernail clippers. After sanding them down I am satisfied how they look. I just hope they wont look darker when stained because they show their end grain. Canute, maddog33, Sjors and 22 others 25 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
GuntherMT Posted July 19, 2015 #141 Posted July 19, 2015 I tested toothpicks for nails in my decking, and when applying clear satin wipe-on poly they got much darker. You can just make a quick test off the ship to see what they'll look like before investing too much time on the ship itself to make sure you'll be happy with the results. clearway, GLakie, dgbot and 4 others 7 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
michael20 Posted July 19, 2015 #142 Posted July 19, 2015 Great job on the tree nailing so far, I believe you will be happy with the end result. You are definitely moving right along. Looking forward to future updates. Happy modeling. Marty G. Piet, clearway, JesseLee and 4 others 7 Quote
Gahm Posted July 20, 2015 #143 Posted July 20, 2015 Great progress! I like the clean straight edges of your gun ports. You chose an interesting method for tree nailing. I have never done it with tooth picks. On my first model I used bamboo sticks thinned down to the right (in scale) thickness with a draw plate. It looked fine at the beginning, but as soon as I applied wood stain there was a certain diffusion effect along the edges of the holes and the tree nails and the final result looked a bit larger than intended. Hopefully you won't have this problem . Thomas Piet, GLakie and Canute 3 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
mrangus Posted July 20, 2015 #144 Posted July 20, 2015 Fine detail Jesse! After seeing some of the pics of the Hermione it looks as though treenails can be a bit bigger than I had initially thought. Have you seen pics of what they look like on the outside of a ship? JesseLee and GLakie 2 Quote
JesseLee Posted July 20, 2015 Author #145 Posted July 20, 2015 Only a few GLakie 1 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
Jimz66 Posted July 20, 2015 #146 Posted July 20, 2015 Nice job Jesse. have to keep that in mind for mine. Looks really nice. GLakie and JesseLee 2 Quote Current/But Not immediate Build Logs I am still gathering the tools I need but starting preliminary work. Nothing to show just yet. Fair American Armed Virginia Sloop.
SGraham Posted July 20, 2015 #147 Posted July 20, 2015 Clean work, Jesse! I think those treenails with their end grain are going to contrast nicely with the bulwark planking. You're making fast progress on Syren. Steve GLakie, Salty Sea Dog and JesseLee 3 Quote completed models: Shenandoah (Corel) waiting on the shelf: La Sirene (Corel) Half Moon (Corel) Puritan (Mamoli) Patsy (derisively): "It's only a model." Arthur: "Sshhh."
popeye the sailor Posted July 23, 2015 #148 Posted July 23, 2015 neat idea GLakie 1 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
JesseLee Posted August 1, 2015 Author #149 Posted August 1, 2015 Finished the hull planking BETAQDAVE, SGraham, Piet and 22 others 25 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
GLakie Posted August 1, 2015 #150 Posted August 1, 2015 Your planking turned out nice and clean Jesse! Great job! Now for 10,000 tree-nails? Cheers Canute, BETAQDAVE and clearway 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
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