_SalD_ Posted May 20, 2015 Share #91 Posted May 20, 2015 Jesse, glad everything worked out for you and that's a very impressive clamp arrangement you have there in the last picture. augie, JesseLee, Piet and 1 other 4 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share #92 Posted May 23, 2015 Added the gun port sides. Got my thumb cut because before I sanded I used a blade to remove more wood quicker & of course I can never do this without catching the blade at least once with a finger or thumb. Added pieces for the sweep port tops. Measured sweep ports & added the sides. This finishes the gun port & sweep port framing & completes chapter 3 of the instruction manual. GLakie, clearway, augie and 14 others 17 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted May 23, 2015 Share #93 Posted May 23, 2015 The gun-ports look good Jesse! Here's what I do before starting to work with sharp objects. Since I know in advance I'll be cut anyway, I just put band-aids on all of the vulnerable areas first, so when I start to bleed, it doesn't get all over my project. Cheers BETAQDAVE, Canute, Piet and 7 others 10 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael20 Posted May 23, 2015 Share #94 Posted May 23, 2015 Ouch!!!! I hate when that happens. Through all your trials and tribulations you are making great progress Jessie. Looking forward to future updates. Happy modeling, Marty G. JesseLee, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted May 23, 2015 Share #95 Posted May 23, 2015 Ah yes, every project must have some blood on it. Good thing is that we have a build in self fix system, ships don't Great progress JesseLee, gun ports look good. Cheers, Canute, JesseLee and GLakie 3 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted May 23, 2015 Share #96 Posted May 23, 2015 Looking good. We leave a little DNA in every ship! JesseLee, edmay, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 23, 2015 Share #97 Posted May 23, 2015 Looking excellent, Jesse. What the others have said about "there will be blood".. and DNA apply. I think that's actually the first rule of model ship building. JesseLee, Canute, CaptainSteve and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted May 23, 2015 Share #98 Posted May 23, 2015 Welcome to the world of model builders Jesse Fun and pain.......... For the rest .....looks great !!!! Sjors JesseLee, augie, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 23, 2015 Share #99 Posted May 23, 2015 JesseLee, Looks good mate you're a bit early baptising your build though ... GLakie, JesseLee and Canute 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted May 25, 2015 Author Share #100 Posted May 25, 2015 Everything seems to be trying to keep me away from the shipyard but I have been able to start the stern framing. Glued the filler & frame pieces in place. Started gluing in the port sills, checking the height with the cannon cut-out. CaptainSteve, popeye the sailor, riverboat and 13 others 16 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmay Posted May 25, 2015 Share #101 Posted May 25, 2015 Hello Jesse,The red inside gun port doors are supped to make blood unnoticeable ,ummm. your progress is looking great.Edwin Salty Sea Dog, GLakie and JesseLee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted May 26, 2015 Share #102 Posted May 26, 2015 super nice progress Jesse GLakie and JesseLee 2 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share #103 Posted May 30, 2015 Been through another bout with my health keeping me from getting much done. Feeling a little better now. Decided to fill in more where the curving is the greatest at the bow & stern. It helps me see better if I have the fairing right. Continuing work on the stern framing & gun ports. The only problem I'm having is determining if I have the right curve/shaping from the last bulkhead up to the bottom of the stern framing. maddog33, GLakie, Canute and 11 others 14 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted May 30, 2015 Share #104 Posted May 30, 2015 Glad you're feeling better Jesse! Have you tried using a plank as a method to check the fairing? mtaylor, Piet and Canute 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted May 30, 2015 Share #105 Posted May 30, 2015 Hope your recovery continues. As George said, running a plank through there should tell you if the fairing is ok. GLakie, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share #106 Posted May 30, 2015 I have on the sides. I'm not sure about the bottom side of it. GLakie 1 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share #107 Posted May 31, 2015 Should it bend up this sharp as in the 1st photo? Or, should I sand some of the corner down & make the plank bend at more of a slope like the last 2 photos? riverboat, edmay, mrangus and 6 others 9 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted May 31, 2015 Share #108 Posted May 31, 2015 I couldn't tell, speaking for myself Jesse, just by looking at the pics without a frame of reference, like the plans or a picture of the finished product. But there in is maybe the answer you need. Maybe check a couple other builds, and check your plans for the right shape. I know the bend at the stern of my ship is pretty abrupt right there. Canute, mtaylor and Piet 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted May 31, 2015 Share #109 Posted May 31, 2015 Hi Jessie, Check the 1st page of Augie's Syren build. There's a some pics that show that area before and after planking. The one of the planking before Augie painted the area really shows the sweep of those planks nicely. You are doing great and I'm glad you are feeling better! mtaylor, Piet, edmay and 1 other 4 Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted May 31, 2015 Share #110 Posted May 31, 2015 Here's the link if you haven't already found it Jesse. Some really good pics. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/46-us-brig-syren-by-augie-ms-kit-164-completed/page-1#entry338 Piet, edmay and mtaylor 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share #111 Posted May 31, 2015 Thanks for the link. From those pics & the plan sheet it looks like maybe the curve up should start just past the bulkhead a little more instead of farther up where mine starts at now? Maybe not? I'm having a hard time seeing the same thing on a flat sheet of paper & on the 3D wood hull in a spot like this. Going to try to copy the outline from the plan & cut out a pattern I can hold closer to the hull to see if I can eyeball it better that way. CaptainSteve, popeye the sailor, cog and 6 others 9 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted May 31, 2015 Share #112 Posted May 31, 2015 This area is a little tricky Jesse. Those planks that rise up to meet the counter both bend and twist at the same time. If you follow Chuck's method, you'll be laying the wales and several planks below the wales before you get there. Once you do, the shape of the wales will guide you somewhat. And you may need some stealers. The good news is that your fairing looks good. If you look closely at my log, you'll see a slight bump in the area where the planks pass the last bulkhead. I was able to correct it later with sanding but only because of the copper and black paint on the hull. Looks like you won't have that problem. Take your time here my friend. Piet, cog, GLakie and 6 others 9 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearway Posted May 31, 2015 Share #113 Posted May 31, 2015 planking on my Victory stern had a sharp sweep up- have you tried laying planking battens as a guide? Keith Piet, GLakie and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted June 1, 2015 Share #114 Posted June 1, 2015 Jesse, a great question to which I also devoted a lot of time and energy on my 'Jason', but could never prove definitively. Looking at a variety of pictures as best I could, I came to the conclusion that there should be a smooth inflection at the transition from the planking of the hull to the lower counter on the 'faster' single decked ships - I'd lean more to the angle in the last picture than the first. The more vertical transition in your first picture seems to be more appropriate for ships of the line. Just my opinion from looking at lots of pictures and having to work through the same problem...I could be completely wrong! JesseLee, Piet, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpstateNY Posted June 1, 2015 Share #115 Posted June 1, 2015 Hi Jesse, Build looks great and if you don't mind I'll also follow along. There still seems to be some room at the back! Most importantly, I am very glad to hear you are feeling better...long may it continue! Cheers, Nigel. JesseLee, CaptainSteve, GLakie and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build Logs: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section, USF Confederacy Model Shipways Completed Log: Red Dragon Artesania Latina Gallery: Red Dragon: Artesania Latina Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share #116 Posted June 2, 2015 Thanks for the input everyone. After cutting out a pattern from the plan sheet I came to the same conclusion that Jason did & re-shaped it to slope up more gradually from the last bulkhead so the planks will end up being shaped more like the last pic. Didn't get much done today. Someone showed up unexpectedly & kept me from my much planned work day in the shipyard. I did get the gun ports painted in preparation for the next step. GLakie, Salty Sea Dog, clearway and 16 others 19 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted June 2, 2015 Share #117 Posted June 2, 2015 any step forward is a step in the right direction GLakie, augie, edmay and 3 others 6 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share #118 Posted June 2, 2015 Made a plank bending jig with wood pegs for the wales & planks. As I was about to glue on the upper wale I stopped & thought about how can I be absolutely sure I have it in all the right places the whole length of the ship? I looked at the instruction manual showing 7 planks above the upper wale & where they are at each gun port. I made a jig out of plank ends to measure at each gun port to make sure everything would line up where it is supposed to. I realized something was way off - my plank jig didn't line up the way the pictures in the manual did. I couldn't squeeze 7 planks in that space. Figured out that I was using 5/32" pieces for my jig. Only the wale is 5/32". The planks are 1/8". Correcting this I made a new jig with the 1/8" pieces. Now It all fit right. This jig helped me get the correct marking for the upper wale correct. Good thing too as it showed I would have been off a little bit in the middle sections. Glued & clamed upper wales on each side. Salty Sea Dog, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 17 others 20 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted June 2, 2015 Share #119 Posted June 2, 2015 Well done. The old adage 'measure twice, cut once' holds true. GLakie, BETAQDAVE, Piet and 4 others 7 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted June 2, 2015 Share #120 Posted June 2, 2015 It doent look that bad at all. I would take a bit more off so the bend isnt as sharp where the plank tuck up into the lower counter.. See these pics if it helps. Couldnt find any of the stern unpainted. Chuck Kevin, clearway, Canute and 10 others 13 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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