albert Posted July 24, 2016 Share #541 Posted July 24, 2016 Great work Glenn, fantastic. Canute, Omega1234, ggrieco and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Simmons Posted July 24, 2016 Share #542 Posted July 24, 2016 Hi Glenn, Beautiful work, after viewing your log you have convinced me that I need to try and build my idea of a showboat. It won't be historically correct (then again, none of my ships are) but it sure looks like fun. Should be finishing my current Paddle wheeler project soon , can't wait to get started on a stern wheeler. Thanks for the inspiration, Keith mtaylor, Canute, ggrieco and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: A Battleship Past builds: The Unicorn - The Lindworm - Malahini - Shinobi Maru - The MaryJane - The Weeligstraal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted July 24, 2016 Share #543 Posted July 24, 2016 Great to see you resolved ll of your PC issues Glenn. The progress and work is great; made my day cheers Pat Omega1234, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share #544 Posted July 30, 2016 Thanks Patrick, albert, Keith and Pat, Keith, I look forward to seeing the sternwheeler! This week I was finally able to get around to the top of the paddle box. It's starting to look like a sidewheeler. I was able to cut all the pieces for the arches in about 2 hours with the mill. I don't know how long it would have taken by hand. I milled some of the segments double. These will be used on the planked side. It saves a little time and adds a little strength. Trying to keep everything square. The notches in the cross pieces are for a thin plank that will be used to support the ends of the lateral planking. Port side. Starboard side. tadheus, Jack12477, Cathead and 29 others 32 Quote Glenn ___________________________________ My Gallery 9 inch Dahlgren on Marsilly Carriage<p><p> Heroine Shipwreck Diorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathead Posted July 30, 2016 Share #545 Posted July 30, 2016 That arch really does start to fill out her profile nicely. Canute, Omega1234, cog and 7 others 10 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted July 30, 2016 Share #546 Posted July 30, 2016 Hi Glenn Oh wow. Damn, that's nice! Seriously nice. Cheers Patrick Keith Simmons, slow2cool, cog and 4 others 7 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Simmons Posted July 30, 2016 Share #547 Posted July 30, 2016 Thanks Patrick, albert, Keith and Pat, Keith, I look forward to seeing the sternwheeler! This week I was finally able to get around to the top of the paddle box. It's starting to look like a sidewheeler. I was able to cut all the pieces for the arches in about 2 hours with the mill. I don't know how long it would have taken by hand. I milled some of the segments double. These will be used on the planked side. It saves a little time and adds a little strength. Paddle Box 01.JPG Paddle Box 02.JPG Trying to keep everything square. The notches in the cross pieces are for a thin plank that will be used to support the ends of the lateral planking. Paddle Box 03.JPG Port side. Paddle Box 04.JPG Paddle Box 05.JPG Paddle Box 06.JPG Starboard side. Paddle Box 07.JPG Paddle Box 08.JPG Paddle Box 09.JPG Hi Glenn, She is beautiful !!!! You should be proud, I noticed you also have a couple of Moi overseeing her construction.... If I can construct mine with half the precision you are showing, I will feel I'm doing something. Keep up the wonderful work, Keith slow2cool, ggrieco, Jack12477 and 3 others 6 Quote Current build: A Battleship Past builds: The Unicorn - The Lindworm - Malahini - Shinobi Maru - The MaryJane - The Weeligstraal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexnut Posted July 30, 2016 Share #548 Posted July 30, 2016 Been following this for a while, the only thing that I can contribute is that I really need an "awestruck" button... Omega1234, slow2cool, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote Regards, Bob Marvin Muscongus bay Lobster Smack -Midwest- 1:24- (1st wooden build) Gertrude L. Thebaud Mini-Mamoli 1/200 kitbash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahuna Posted July 30, 2016 Share #549 Posted July 30, 2016 Very nice, Glenn - Heroine is looking better and better. I especially like the last photo with the 'overseers' in the background. Jack12477, ggrieco, slow2cool and 3 others 6 Quote Frank Completed: Skipjack Kathryn; Dunbrody Sectional Model; Paragon (modified Mayflower) Scratch Build; Planning a Sectional Model of Dunbrody NRG Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 30, 2016 Share #550 Posted July 30, 2016 Glenn, Magnificent ... Looking at her two question come to mind: 1. What's the "indent" from fore to aft on the topoutside 2. Looking at the mounted wheel, I get the feeling it is rather small compared to the housing you build around it, why such a height Cheers slow2cool, ggrieco, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted July 30, 2016 Share #551 Posted July 30, 2016 beautiful work Glenn, its getting more and more shape now.... Nils Jack12477, mtaylor, slow2cool and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted July 30, 2016 Share #552 Posted July 30, 2016 She's being built just like the full sized boat. Beautiful. Bob Omega1234, Jack12477, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mati Posted July 30, 2016 Share #553 Posted July 30, 2016 Glenn,You and your build... it's like a national treasure!! Absolutely stunning... I wish to had a chance to see your model once.Cheers,Matt slow2cool, cog, Jack12477 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 30, 2016 Share #554 Posted July 30, 2016 What a difference a week can make! Awesome work as usual, Glenn. Canute, slow2cool, ggrieco and 3 others 6 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted July 30, 2016 Share #555 Posted July 30, 2016 Apart from 'absolutely delightful', I don't know what to say! John ggrieco, Canute, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 31, 2016 Share #556 Posted July 31, 2016 All is well again.. we get our weekly fix. Just superb. Carl beat me to this but I'm curious also. Why were the arches and paddle box so much bigger than the wheel? Omega1234, WackoWolf, Jack12477 and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share #557 Posted July 31, 2016 Thanks everybody, I really appreciate the kind words and comments. I thank all of you for making me feel so welcome here in such good company! I decided not to crop out my friends from Easter Island. A student in one of our conservation classes made them for me over 10 years ago. They've been watching over the room ever since. Carl, the indent is for a thin plank that will support the outboard end of the lateral planking that will cover the arch. The cap that runs along the circumference of the boiler deck will continue over the arch. It is wide enough to cover the outboard timbers of the arch eliminating a surface for the planking to sit on. The thin plank just provides a shelf for the ends of the planking. Your second question is a good one. The arch does look odd and even unnecessary considering the size of the paddlewheels. In the past I've looked at representations of side wheelers and have always wondered why this arc is so pronounced as compared to the radius of the paddlewheels. We know the the diameter of the paddle wheel and the forward and aft extents of the paddle box. Some clearance was necessary above the boiler deck. I'm wondering if they just picked a radius that was aesthetically pleasing to bridge the ends of the box. When I get a chance to speak to Kevin I'll get his ideas on the question. Jack12477, mtaylor, WackoWolf and 5 others 8 Quote Glenn ___________________________________ My Gallery 9 inch Dahlgren on Marsilly Carriage<p><p> Heroine Shipwreck Diorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathead Posted July 31, 2016 Share #558 Posted July 31, 2016 Here's an idea on the paddlebox: is the extra space to allow for the possibility of debris caught in the wheel? Most western rivers had a lot of woody debris (branches, logs, etc) and I could see a moderate-sized branch getting caught up between two buckets and being lifted up into the paddlebox, where it could do some damage to either the surrounding shell or the wheel itself once it gets wedged in there. Maybe the extra radius reduces the likelihood of this? Otherwise I'm quite interested to know what Kevin or other informed persons say. cog, Red, ggrieco and 5 others 8 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share #559 Posted July 31, 2016 That does sound like a definite possibility. Getting a large branch caught between the wheel and the top of the box would certainly put a wheel out of commission. Thanks Cathead. mtaylor, Cathead, slow2cool and 5 others 8 Quote Glenn ___________________________________ My Gallery 9 inch Dahlgren on Marsilly Carriage<p><p> Heroine Shipwreck Diorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 31, 2016 Share #560 Posted July 31, 2016 My (limited) understanding is that, as the paddlewheel turns, it creates some pressure in the paddlebox. The large space provided inside the box would ameliorate this effect, as did the later fancy perforated boxes seen on side paddle steamers. Can someone confirm or correct me? Jack12477, Cathead, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathead Posted July 31, 2016 Share #561 Posted July 31, 2016 I posted this question over in Steamboats and other Rivercraft, so we don't fill up Glenn's log with too much speculation, partly to absolve myself from starting the speculation in the first place.I figured it's a general enough topic that the discussion and answer might fit well over there. slow2cool, ggrieco, Keith Simmons and 6 others 9 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted August 13, 2016 Author Share #562 Posted August 13, 2016 I've been busy laying out the internal structure on the boiler deck so I haven't had the opportunity to get many photos. Just a few here to show progress. The internal walls would have been planked and then the bulkheads added. I'm putting the bulkheads in first and will then plank between them. This will allow me to economize on wood by using shorter pieces. It's amazing how much planking this model requires and I'm running out of the long lengths. The arches over the paddle box are just about complete. I still need to add the steps up over the arch and the exposed planking will be painted white on the starboard side. dvm27, Canute, Cathead and 32 others 35 Quote Glenn ___________________________________ My Gallery 9 inch Dahlgren on Marsilly Carriage<p><p> Heroine Shipwreck Diorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted August 13, 2016 Share #563 Posted August 13, 2016 Hi Glenn Simply marvellous! Cheers Patrick ggrieco, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 13, 2016 Share #564 Posted August 13, 2016 Your comment on the quantity of plank required must be a reflection on the availability of lumber and the lumber industry in those days. Lovely progress, Glenn. Omega1234, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted August 13, 2016 Share #565 Posted August 13, 2016 Wonderful work Glenn. Canute, ggrieco, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathead Posted August 13, 2016 Share #566 Posted August 13, 2016 druxey, there's a reason the vast majority of western river boats were built on the upper Ohio River: vast tracts of Appalachian forests right on the boatyards' doorstep. Not to mention the coal mines that fed the metal-working industry of Pittsburgh. Lovely work, Glenn. The longitudinal bunks are an interesting comparison to other boats. Jack12477, Canute, ggrieco and 3 others 6 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted August 13, 2016 Share #567 Posted August 13, 2016 Absolutely stunning - great work yet again Glenn. That 'white' sets her off beautifully and the amount of detail shown compared to what you are leaving off is spot on; really gives a good impression of her inner and outer workings. cheers Pat Canute, mtaylor, ggrieco and 2 others 5 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted August 13, 2016 Share #568 Posted August 13, 2016 Yet more absolutely beautiful work, Glen John Canute, ggrieco, Omega1234 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted August 14, 2016 Author Share #569 Posted August 14, 2016 Thanks everybody, Sorry for the brief photo description. The virus that the kids have had for the last few days finally made it around to me this morning. After uploading the photos I decided that I just wanted to crawl back into bed. Hopefully, I can focus on more details this next. Good point Cathead, I tend to focus on the structural aspects of the boat and often miss the socio-economic considerations. It is interesting to see how the industries are all tied together. Keith Simmons, Omega1234, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Glenn ___________________________________ My Gallery 9 inch Dahlgren on Marsilly Carriage<p><p> Heroine Shipwreck Diorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Simmons Posted August 14, 2016 Share #570 Posted August 14, 2016 Glenn, Your craftsmanship really shines through in the recent photos. The clean lines in your framing is certainly not lost on me... I find your build quite inspiring, keep up the great work... Will be watching for more, Keith cog, Jack12477, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Current build: A Battleship Past builds: The Unicorn - The Lindworm - Malahini - Shinobi Maru - The MaryJane - The Weeligstraal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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