Golden Hind (ex-Pelican) by Baker - FINISHED - scale 1/45 - Galleon late 16th century

[Baker]

13 hours ago, G.L. said:

Patrick, is that the kind of stair you are searching for?

Yes. The stairs will look like this

 

greetings, 

patrick

[Louie da fly]

Beautiful work, as usual, Patrick.

 

Just out of interest, how tall is that "crew member" in your last photo?

 

Steven

[Baker]

 

6 minutes ago, Louie da fly said:

Just out of interest, how tall is that "crew member" in your last photo?

Thanks steven.

The average length of a man in the 16th century may have been 160 cm.
160 cm : 45 = 3.6 cm to scale

 

[Louie da fly]

Thanks Patrick. I thought he would be about that size.

 

Steven

[Baker]

Hello,

Started with re-making the wrongly made pieces. The same method has been used to make them.
The discs are made of plastic.

After painting, the discs are mounted without glue.

The hole is now also being drilled trough the discs. That way I drill in the center of the disk.

And secured with a brass pin.

Extra detail

painted and ready for assembly.

 

The height ratio of the piece to the model and the size of my assistant is much better now.

To be continued. Thanks for following.

[zappto]

Very nicely done pieces, beautifull color of the wood! 

[G.L.]

Your assistent is looking happy with it.

 

G.L.

[Baker]

The following parts are ready and installed.

 

From now on, the shipyard is on hold for a while. I have had pain in both arms for some time.
Doctor's conclusion: tennis elbow on both arms, so rest for a while, no model building, no gardening... grrrr.

 

Thanks for following, 

And it is not because the shipyard is on hold, that I will not be active on this forum 

[Barbossa]

Hi Patrick

 

I'm looking forward to your recovery. 

Circumstances may differ : sometimes life get's in the way of hobby-matters.

Get well & take care.

[G.L.]

12 hours ago, Backer said:

From now on, the shipyard is on hold for a while. I have had pain in both arms for some time.

Doctor's conclusion: tennis elbow on both arms, so rest for a while, no model building, no gardening... grrrr.

 

Thanks for following, 

And it is not because the shipyard is on hold, that I will not be active on this forum 

Patrick, my advice: Play tennis with one arm at the same time 😁.

 

G.L.

[Baker]

4 hours ago, Barbossa said:

Hi Patrick

 

I'm looking forward to your recovery. 

Circumstances may differ : sometimes life get's in the way of hobby-matters.

Get well & take care.

Thanks, I'm doing my best.

 

1 hour ago, G.L. said:

Patrick, my advice: Play tennis with one arm at the same time 😁.

 

G.L.

LOL 😂

I do not like sports.  The only "sport" i do is rifle shooting (completely legal according to all Belgian laws of course!!) 

 

 

[John Allen]

Patrick,

 

Caught up all I can say is well done. Really like your methodology attacking problems, wish I was that focused. I'm a flitter flit here flit there then forgot where I flitted last. Kudos

[md1400cs]

Patrick,

 

Take care - time does heal most things (or so I've been told) 

[Baker]

Hello

Have not started building again. But I did start thinking about the next step. The places where the deadeyes and schrouds are attached.

I do not know the correct English name, but in some logs they are called "chains". Strange "chain"  means something very different for me in the English language??

 

Looking through my documentation there are several possibilities.

A simple method as on the Vasa ship (early 17th century) and also applied to most Golden Hind scale models. And, an older method where multiple vertical support beams are used.
The second method seems better for this time (about 1570-1580). She can also be seen on drawings by Mathew Baker. So it becomes the second method.

 

Biggest question: how wide were these things? I find narrow and wide versions in my documentation.

So first i test how wide they should be on my model, to get no problems later with the schrouds who can come against the hull.

Somewhere in a log I saw this method. Ideal if you work without a plan.

So we go for the wide version (no other choice) otherwise I will get into trouble later. This makes about 90 cm (3 feet) on a real ship.

Reasonably wide, but it can explain how they could place barrels here that served as sanitary facilities.

 

Thank you for following, and hopefully more updates soon.

[Louie da fly]

Looking good, Patrick. I think you're right going with the multiple support beams (which would probably be described as "knees") - they seem to be quite common in ships of this time.

 

Regarding the name "chains", the lower deadeyes at the ends of the shrouds are fixed to the hull with iron chains, as you can see in the first and second pictures in your post. The widened wales that support both these chains and the shrouds themselves are called "chain wales", which got shortened over the centuries to "channels". However, that whole section of the ship is often just referred to as "the chains". Hope that clears it up.

 

How wide the channels themselves were - your guess is as good as mine. However, there is some archaeological information - I don't know if the channels survived on the Mary Rose which was maybe 50 years before the Pelican  (the photos of her all seem to be taken from inside, so you can't see them) but they certainly did on the Wasa which was maybe 50 years after. 

 

But again I think you're right in making them wide enough to support those barrels. You could probably get a pretty good idea by scaling off from that last picture - you have the size of the sailor next to the barrel, so you can estimate the size of the barrel, and thus work out how wide the channel would have to be to fit both the barrel and the shrouds/deadeyes.

 

Steven    

Edited October 26, 2018 by Louie da fly

[Baker]

Thank you for explaining the "chains / channels" question.

 

Good idea to look at channels of the Mary Rose and other ships. Turned out i have a drawing of the MR.

Looking at Mary Rose I find about 65 cm. 

The ship with the barrels is about 75 cm

My channel of 90 cm is therefore very wide. it will have to be thinner.

 

Thanks for following and likes

 

 

[amateur]

Having slightly wider channels is a better solution than having too little space for your shrouds.....

So I wouldn't bother the width of the channels on Wasa, Mary Rose or any other ship, as long as it fits yours

 

Jan

[Baker]

Indeed Jan

After having checked my problem a second time. The channels can be made 1.5 mm smaller without getting into trouble.
So about 85cm wide to scale 1/1

 

Thanks,

Edited October 28, 2018 by Backer

[mtaylor]

I'm backing up a bit... about barrels.  It was common for the cooks to bring up the barrels of salt pork, drain off the brine and add fresh water to them to dissolve the salt.  These barrels would often be fixed to the channels so to keep them out of the way.  I've also read about the men "hanging" as such, off the side to do their waste disposal when the facilities at the bow had a long line.  So, I guess my question is, were the barrels holding dinner or waste?  

[Baker]

Thank you lawrence.
Fortunately I was on time with my elbow problem. And with some pills, stretching exercises and a few weeks already planned holiday there is already improvement. It will not be long before I go back to gardening and modeling

 

Mark,

There is indeed a very interesting thesis on this subject (thank you Mark)
Placing barrels here will be very challenging in weathering the model. Whatever their intention was

 

[Moab]

Just discovered your fantastic build. Your photos are excellent and extremely helpful. That Tudor Rose and the way it was created floored me (I'm a rookie). Thank you for sharing...Moab

[Baker]

Hello everyone and thank you Moab.

 

Slowly restarting with building and started with the vertical parts of the channels.

First the necessary wood is sawn.

These pieces are first colored and finished before gluing to the hull. 

 

This is now done on the two sides.

 

To be continued, thanks for following

[G.L.]

Hello Patrick,

Glad you are back on the shipyard!!

 

G.L.

[Baker]

Hello,

 

Thank you G.L.   Glad to be back on the shipyard !

I made and attached the channels and the "knees" below these channels.

 

measurement, making and glueing.

 

Lower knees in progress

 

ready

 

Thanks for following.

[md1400cs]

Patrick,

 

As always brilliant work!

[zappto]

Looks just excelent,  keep up good work! 

[Baker]

Hello everyone,

 

Thanks Michael and Zappto for the comments and everyone for reacting.

 

Short update. The channels of the main mast are ready. 

 

Now, i continue with the channels of the fore mast. This will not be a simple task at first sight. 

If I place them at the same height as on the main mast (red line), then they are is too wide at the front.
If I place them higher (yellow line), Then the width of the channel is ok, but  the upper part of my vertical pieces are too short

So there is first some thinking and testing to do before i can build further.
"Advice or tricks" are always welcome . For me the challenge is getting them at the same heigt (red line)

 

Thanks for following

 

Edited November 19, 2018 by Backer

[Baker]

Hello,

 

After some searching and testing i restarted building again. 
During this period, the channels can be at different heights on the hull. Probably they were placed  where they fit best and there were no specific rules in the 16th century.

The channels of the front mast are under construction.

 

In the meantime I received "assistance". 
Felix the cat, he is now part of the family for two months and is eight months old. 
He prefers to help build tanks in our heated kitchen. For the moment, he does not like the "cold" shipyard in the attic

 

Tired of helping in the tank factory. Turn off the light please, i need sleep... 

 

Thanks for following

[md1400cs]

Patrick,

 

I see that you've already employed a rat exterminator 

[Baker]

Hello everyone

 

Michael, he has not caught a rat yet. But mice are no longer safe in our garden..😸

Continue with the model.
The channels have finally been installed. There were quite a few difficult pieces to make.

 

I think I'm going to place the cannons now.

 

Thanks for following and likes.