BobF Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share #151 Posted July 20, 2014 Thanks, Mike. When it comes to model ship building, I like to think outside the box, while maintaining a reasonable level of accuracy. This little model has given me a lot of opportunities to do exactly that. Currently, I have the template made for the aft platform. That assembly should be installed very soon. Regards, BobF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share #152 Posted August 24, 2014 Like the forward platform, I wanted to use a spacer of some sort to support the template at the correct height inside the hull. This one turned out to be a little more involved, but it wasn't difficult to make. A rough form of the template was laid on top of the spacer, and small pieces of card stock were glued in place to get the final shape. The planks for the platform were joined together by cutting shallow grooves in the bottom of each plank, and gluing thin strips in the grooves. Even though still quite thin, the assembly was fairly rigid. I'll explain in my next post why I didn't run that middle strip all the way across. The last photo shows the shape of the template transfered to the platform, which is ready for shaping. BobF ianmajor, CaptainSteve, tlevine and 12 others 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share #153 Posted August 25, 2014 Here's the platform cut to the required shape. The port and starboard sides were beveled to a sharp edge on the underside. I wanted to get as clean a fit as possible. If you look closely, you can see a rectangular box marked on the middle plank. This area will be removed, which is the reason that strip of wood on the underside of the platform did not go completely across. It was quite common for these boats to be used to assist the parent ship in retrieving it's anchor. This was done using a windlass like the one featured in the kit, and a davit that hung over the stern. The next illustration was taken from The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War 1600 - 1815 by Brian Lavery, and illustrates how this davit was positioned. Note the notch in the bottom of the davit that fits over a pin located below the platform. I made a mock-up of the davit, and placed it in position to see if the location was feasible. It appeared to be reasonable, so the area was cut out, and a blackened brass pin, set in two blocks, was glued in the proper location. At this point, I cut back the forward end of the platform, and installed a thin strip of wood, which I feel gives the assembly a more finished look. Like the forward platform and floor boards, I used black paint brush bristles to simulate the nail heads. BobF jburchfield1@wowway.com, Larry Cowden, themadchemist and 15 others 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburchfield1@wowway.com Posted August 25, 2014 Share #154 Posted August 25, 2014 Amazing! Quote Previous build(mostly) - 18th Century Longboat Current build - Bounty Launch Next build - San Francisco by AL Future build - Red Dragon Future build - Mayflower from Model Expo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerryAmp Posted August 25, 2014 Share #155 Posted August 25, 2014 Evening Bob, Sorry for being a little late to the party but I am incredibly enjoying your work. I have this kit on my To Do Shelf and getting some great ideas and inspirations from your build. Such great work! BobF 1 Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted August 25, 2014 Share #156 Posted August 25, 2014 Bob, I love how, with your research, you have transformed this kit into something remarkable. BobF and Bobby 2 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted August 26, 2014 Share #157 Posted August 26, 2014 Just loving your attention to detail on this build Bob. BobF, NWSailor and Bobby 3 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share #158 Posted August 30, 2014 With the platforms completed, the risers were next. I used two spacers to make sure the distance between the cap rail and risers was correct. The miniature clamps were a big help, although they did have a nasty habit of popping off, if I bumped them! Not having the frieze strips glued in place also paid off here, since there was a good chance that they would have gotten damaged. Never the less, I still managed to nick the red paint job on the cap rail in a few places. After scribing and pre-bending the strips, I decided to put the simulated nail heads in before the risers were mounted. The last photo shows the port riser and the front face of the storage locker in place. BobF Mike Y, gjdale, jburchfield1@wowway.com and 12 others 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted August 31, 2014 Share #159 Posted August 31, 2014 Hello Bob Some very excellent work on this little build. I've found the small boats a very interesting topic as I develop in this hobby. Your planking illustrations are simply magnificent and really help those learning the techniques. I love some of your innovations, such as using evergreen as a sanding shim on the cap rail, or the paint bristle nailing. Thanks for the efforts of your sharing, as this build log is truly an asset to MSW's fountain of knowledge. Stuntflyer, Larry Cowden and BobF 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share #160 Posted September 17, 2014 Hello all, Nothing really earth-shaking to report. I decided to use templates for the port and starboard cockpit seats, which took a lot of guess work out of the process. I intend to paint all the thwarts and cockpit seating, so none of these pieces have been glued in place yet. I also want to install the ring bolts in the center floor board and apron. The ring bolt in the apron is for the staysail halyard block, which would have hooked onto the ring bolt. BobF GuntherMT, Ryland Craze, Stuntflyer and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee_Dee Posted September 17, 2014 Share #161 Posted September 17, 2014 Bob, Thanks for posting the photo of your template for the cockpit seats. I need to make a similar part on my current build and finally!!!! I know how to do it! I have the 18th century longboat kit on the shelf and your build log is a fountain of information! Thanks for sharing your build! Dee Dee BobF 1 Quote Current Build - Glad Tidings -MS Completed Builds - Dragon - Corel - One design International Class Yacht - Sloup Coquillier / Shell Fish Sloop - Corel - Based on 'Bergere de Domremy / Shepherdess from Domremy - Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack - Scratch build based on drawings from Chapelle's book "American Small Sailing Craft" On the Shelf - Gretel-Mamoli - Emma C. Berry-MS - Chesapeake Bay Pilot Boat, Semi-scratch Find yourself hoping you never reach your destination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted September 17, 2014 Share #162 Posted September 17, 2014 What is so great about that technique is the fact that it is REAL. I was watching boat building video's on youtube and that was how they fit the shapes on a full sized clinkered boat build. It's just one of those things that are just SO obvious, once you seen it done... Nicely done on the seating fit Bob and as always, nice photo illustration. Dee_Dee, Jack Dusty and BobF 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted October 21, 2014 Share #163 Posted October 21, 2014 Bob, I've somehow managed to miss this log before now, luckily Keith posted a link here in my log for your excellent planking techniques, so now I've spent the time to go through this entire log. Your workmanship is simply amazing to see, and the entire process has made this small little boat really a beautiful work. Thank you for posting such excellent photo's and descriptions of your work. BobF and themadchemist 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewNaylor Posted October 21, 2014 Share #164 Posted October 21, 2014 Bob Beautiful job I love the black bristle as nails, black through and through out looking for a broom now! Andy Quote Current Build HM Granado CC Past builds HMS Chatham CC, HM Convulsion CC, Duke William German Kit, Fair American LSS, The Wright Flyer MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share #165 Posted October 22, 2014 Andrew - Another source for potential nails or trunnels is the old fashion scrub brush. The bristles are quite stiff, and primarily brown in color. I knew a modeler who once trunneled a scratch built Hanah with these, and it looked great. They may not all be the same diameter, so some time would have to be spent sorting through them after they are cut from the wood backing. I really appreciate the kind comments about my model. BobF. Larry Cowden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbeard Posted October 28, 2014 Share #166 Posted October 28, 2014 Bob I'm really enjoying your build! Just ordered my longboat yesterday and seeing your progress really gets the anticipation level elevated Keep up the great work and I really look forward to your next update. John Quote John Current Build: MSW 18 Century Longboat 1:48 Next Build: MSW Bluenose 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted December 26, 2014 Author Share #167 Posted December 26, 2014 Hello all, I just wanted to apologize for my lack of participation lately in this discussion group. Two months ago, I decided to remodel my workshop, and that pretty much brought my modeling to a screeching halt. The good news is that I'm getting close to finishing what I set out to do, and will soon be resuming work on the long boat. I'm really looking forward to it! BobF Tuffarts, divarty, egkb and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael20 Posted February 7, 2015 Share #168 Posted February 7, 2015 Very fine example of a longboat coming together there Bob. Happy Modeling Marty G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share #169 Posted March 4, 2015 Hello all, Pulled the longboat out of mothballs, and started working on it again. Although all the thwarts are finished, I'm going to leave those off that are on either side of the windlass until after the windlass is installed. I noticed that the cockpit seats on NMM longboats have scribing all the way around their inner edge, so I thought I'd try it. This caused the thwart at the forward end of the cockpit to have a rather strange shape, which took a while to configure. The scribed lines didn't line up perfectly, but I really didn't want to do them over again. I decided to embellish the support straps that hold the mast bracket in place. I drilled three #80 holes in each strap, and inserted pieces of brass wire to simulate mounting bolts. Since they are so small, I decided to leave them bright, so they could be seen. I still need to mount the belaying pins, so this thwart has not been glued in place. AStevenson, Jack12477, Canute and 18 others 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jct Posted March 4, 2015 Share #170 Posted March 4, 2015 Bob, Super clean build...very impressive J Quote Thx J In process On Hold US Brig Niagara Model Shipways Pinta ...Shipyard, card build; In the Queue HMS Endeavor...Corel; Completed builds Agilis...Steingraeber, Dual build with Popeye USS Hannah...scratch build to something between 1/72 ish and 1/60 ish scale Corel's...Half Moon; USN Picket Boat #1...Model Shipways; Model shipways...18th Century longboat.. Harriet Lane...Model Shipways Henry J Gasser Keeling-and-Clayton-mustang-funny-car Green Elephant Funny car Curtiss Sparrowhawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted March 4, 2015 Share #171 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Nice looking boat. I like the ribbed thwarts. P.S - Welcome back. Edited March 4, 2015 by Jack12477 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share #172 Posted March 4, 2015 J & Jack, Thanks for the kind words. It feels good to be contributing to MSW again. BobF Stuntflyer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divarty Posted March 10, 2015 Share #173 Posted March 10, 2015 Welcome back Bob, as usual your work is beautiful, she coming along really well. Looking at what you've done makes me want to rebuild my kit Quote Current Build Rattlesnake Previous Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HMS Victory cross section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyman Posted March 12, 2015 Share #174 Posted March 12, 2015 What?! Mounting bolts?! Please, I'm feeling myself SUPER lame comparing to this! This is SOOOOOOO superior! Quote Current builds: RMS Titanic's Lifeboat USS Constitution Cross-section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted March 17, 2015 Share #175 Posted March 17, 2015 I had the pleasure of seeing Bob's longboat over the weekend at our monthly club meeting. It looks even better in person than in the photos. I can't wait to see what you find out as regards the rigging. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share #176 Posted March 18, 2015 Toni - Thanks for the kind words. Actually, I don't have any great plans for the rigging, other than how the deadeyes are fastened to the hull. Contemporary models show them hooked to the chainplates. So, that's what I hope to do. Also, I noticed that the metal support at the heel of the bowsprit is anchored to the forward thwart, not the platform. I'm kind of getting ahead of myself here, but please stay tuned. BobF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share #177 Posted March 26, 2015 Here are some photos of the completed cockpit area and the thwart that supports the mast. Some changes to the cockpit were based on photos of contemporary models. Apparently, it was quite common for these craft to have additional bracing on the interior side of the transom. Here is one such model. If you look closely, you can see a metal plate in the notch that would have supported the anchor davit. This makes sense since the davit probably exerted considerable stress on the transom while working with the ship's anchor. Here's my interpretation of that photo: No modifications to the thwart were made, other than the fact that I substituted boxwood belaying pins for those supplied with the kit. Some of the thwarts have not been glued in place yet. I placed them in position for these photos. I think the additional room will help with the installation of the windlass, which is next. BobF Tuffarts, fatih79, Jack12477 and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share #178 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) When I started working on the windlass, it didn't take me long to realize that I had a problem with the risers. They were way out of plumb, which made mounting the windlass directly to them pretty much out of the question. After studying contemporary models, I noticed that it was common for the windlass to be mounted to slotted plates that were mounted on the risers. I tried making a pair that were bevelled on the back side, which I hoped would compensate for the problem. Unfortunately, they were much to thick on the top edge, and didn't look very pleasing. The only other option seemed to be cutting into the risers, which would allow me to affix the plates with the correct orientation. Not historically correct, but I couldn't see any other way to solve my predicament. Since the risers were made out of boxwood, I wasn't very optimistic about the eventual outcome. Taking my time, the cuts were made, but my paint job got pretty banged up. As you can see, I also had to cut into one of the frames. Prior to taking this photo, I did some touching up!. There wasn't much room below the riser, so the plates aren't as wide as those featured on contemporary models. Finally, I decided to insert a small plug inside the slots. If visible at all, they would appear to be the axles for the windlass, and they also gave me some surface area for gluing the windlass in place. I plan on the windlass being a slide fit. BobF Edited July 25, 2015 by BobF Jack12477, Chuck, GuntherMT and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntflyer Posted July 24, 2015 Share #179 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Bob - I ran into the same problem or at least I think so. By "plumb" I think you mean that the risers are not vertical. I was able to get the windlass close enough to the riser so that the pin was hardly noticeable. Not that your going to do that now, just found your dilemma interesting. Whether your solution is right or wrong, I wouldn't know. I just like the way you are able think outside the box. Mike Edited July 24, 2015 by Stuntflyer Jack12477 and Canute 2 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share #180 Posted July 24, 2015 Mike: Yes, I was referring to the risers not being vertical. I usually like to plan ahead when I build a model, but this one caught me by surprise. I couldn't help but think about how early in the construction of the hull, the problem was created. Installing the windlass wasn't even on the radar screen! Anyway, thanks for the kind words. BobF Stuntflyer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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