Vane Posted December 6, 2019 Author #31 Posted December 6, 2019 Well, they turned out ok and the proportions looks great. Just need to be very careful here. The MDF design is very different from all other kits I come across. It would be interesting to try it out for a much larger ship. The skeleton of your 1/64 Victory looks really impressive. I guess you will have that design for your upcoming Bristol as well? Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted December 7, 2019 Author #32 Posted December 7, 2019 Made a few side projects before continueing with the planking. Everything is precut making it very easy to work. Edwardkenway, egkb, JeffT and 10 others 13 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Ronald-V Posted December 7, 2019 #33 Posted December 7, 2019 You're Speedy to! Nice to see the progress Quote Currently working on the HMS Sphinx from Vanguard Models
Vane Posted December 7, 2019 Author #34 Posted December 7, 2019 Thanks, its an inspiring kit to work on and its also abit exciting to be one of the first to build it. 🙂 Ronald-V, chris watton and Edwardkenway 3 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted December 7, 2019 Author #35 Posted December 7, 2019 Dry-fitting some of the details... GrandpaPhil, BenD, KARAVOKIRIS and 9 others 12 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Edwardkenway Posted December 7, 2019 #36 Posted December 7, 2019 Looking very nice Vane, you're doing a great job!! hwe 1 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED
Damian Posted December 8, 2019 #37 Posted December 8, 2019 Looking great, can't wait to start my own. hwe 1 Quote
DelF Posted December 8, 2019 #38 Posted December 8, 2019 I can't believe how fast you are - it'll take me at least 3 months to get as far as you have, and I'm retired! How much does Chris's innovative design help in that regard? Everything certainly seems to fit together really well. Keep up the good work. I'm really enjoying your log and can't wait to get my Speedy at Christmas. Derek Ryland Craze, VTHokiEE, Edwardkenway and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers, Derek Current build: Duchess of Kingston On hold: HMS Winchelsea Previous builds: HMS Speedy, English Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery), Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!) On the stocks: 18th Century Longboat
Vane Posted December 8, 2019 Author #39 Posted December 8, 2019 Thanks. Well its a design that dont require that much fitting. Its also a small ship. Planking Victory in the same design would take alot more time just due to size. And i am also abit devoted at the time. I Will be travelling over Xmas and NYE so the build will take a 3 week break soon... Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted December 8, 2019 Author #40 Posted December 8, 2019 Boxwood... i am in love! Its a very hard material and the result is way different than my Tanganyika. My new Proxxon sander really came in handy here. Its a hard mtrl so much more difficult to cut. BenD, egkb, Blue Pilot and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted December 9, 2019 Author #41 Posted December 9, 2019 Wow, that was really fast... I am lucky i got mine... #02 ccoyle and chris watton 2 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted December 10, 2019 Author #42 Posted December 10, 2019 This is optional according to the manual. But I decided to attach the keel elements before starting the 2nd planking simply because its kind of a slippery hull when everything is sanded smooth. With the keel my fingers gets something to grab when holding the ship. We will see if it was a good decision i guess... GrandpaPhil, Blue Pilot, KARAVOKIRIS and 8 others 11 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted December 12, 2019 Author #43 Posted December 12, 2019 This part of the work is a bit repetitive but done with the first step. These are very small. GrandpaPhil, Ronald-V, JpR62 and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted December 13, 2019 Author #44 Posted December 13, 2019 The first plank of the second planking is always really important to get right. Here i also like the design with lasercut markings so you dont need to measure anything. egkb, Edwardkenway, DelF and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted December 13, 2019 Author #45 Posted December 13, 2019 When i did this the first time I used boiling water, PVA and pins. That is ok if you will paint the hull completely and can use woodfiller afterwards. Nowadays, especially on models when the wood will be visable, I have upgraded my technique and go with the "Chuck method". Instead of bending and pinning down the plank, I spend much more time on preparations. This involves two things: i prebend the plank in the "wrong direction" using hot air and clamps. I also spend some time on sanding to make sure it will lie flat against the previous plank. The final result is an S-shaped plank. Edwardkenway, DelF, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted December 13, 2019 Author #46 Posted December 13, 2019 To fix the plank i put CA on the first 10cm and press it down for just a few seconds until it sticks. Thereafter I use a toothpick or some pointy scrapwood with CA on top of it adding more on the plank and press it down. Repeat a few times and finally the whole plank is fixed. fnick, jwvolz, coxswain and 8 others 11 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
fnick Posted December 14, 2019 #47 Posted December 14, 2019 Hi Vane Lovely build. I did exactly the same thing with some of my second planking but spaced out the CA so that I could add normal wood glue as well. That should give a stronger bond to the first planking. My two pennies worth anyway! 🙂 Nick Quote Le Mirage by fnick - Corel - 1:75
Vane Posted December 14, 2019 Author #48 Posted December 14, 2019 Interesting, I have to try that too. there are many ways to do this. But i Think the gamechanger for me was when i bought my heatgun from Proxxon and started prebending the planks sideways. Everything fits so much better. GrandpaPhil, BenD, Jack H and 10 others 13 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
petervisser Posted December 15, 2019 #49 Posted December 15, 2019 Great build log Vane! Lots of good photos and explanations. I'm getting some great ideas. Thanks! Peter Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor!
Vane Posted December 15, 2019 Author #50 Posted December 15, 2019 Thanks 4 the support. Since this is the first buildlog on Vanguards Speedy, I try to explain more and also review the kit as i work on it. Dave B 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted December 15, 2019 Author #51 Posted December 15, 2019 Yes I know, this looks ridicurlos! However, by using leftover walnut strips on the areas that will be coppered i will save at least 25 strips of boxwood. I am also not that carefull on the details here. Pins, Water and PVA! Edwardkenway, coxswain, egkb and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Edwardkenway Posted December 15, 2019 #52 Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) I like your thinking with the walnut and saving boxwood strips, Vane, you're doing a great job on a very nice ship. Edited December 15, 2019 by Edwardkenway egkb 1 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED
Vane Posted December 15, 2019 Author #53 Posted December 15, 2019 Thanks alot. Boxwood looks really flat and precise once its sanded. Some people just use Walnut and hardly sand at all. I have started to pay more attension to everything nowadays. It will be really intresting to compare my Tanganyika Granado hull with this Boxwood hull once things start to be finilized. coxswain and Ronald-V 2 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
PhillH Posted December 16, 2019 #54 Posted December 16, 2019 Really enjoying your build log Vane, as you spearhead the speedy builds. Can you clarify for me your technique for bending the planks with hot air and clamps. Do you just heat them up bend then clamp or do you soak them first? Phill Quote Current Build: HM Cutter Alert 1777
Vane Posted December 16, 2019 Author #55 Posted December 16, 2019 Thanks. I dont use water at all. I just fix a strip of Wood with 3 clamps to an old cutting board. Then I open the left clamp and bend the strip as far as possible in the "wrong" direction without it breaking and clamp it down again. Then I do the same to the right side. Sometimes I adjust the position and even bend it further by adding an additional clamp. Once I got the shape I want, I take my airgun and heat up the bended parts for 20 seconds and then let it rest and cool down for a few minutes. Remove the clamps and viola.. u are done! PhillH 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
Vane Posted December 16, 2019 Author #56 Posted December 16, 2019 The heat makes the wood flexible and once it cools down it fixes itself in the new position. Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
VTHokiEE Posted December 16, 2019 #57 Posted December 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Vane said: Once I got the shape I want, I take my airgun and heat up the bended parts for 20 seconds and then let it rest and cool down for a few minutes. Remove the clamps and viola.. u are done! A heat gun is an interesting idea, of course I recently bought a small travel iron to apply the heat but I feel like the heat gun would be easier (maybe not cheaper though). Thanks for sharing the technique! Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG)
Ronald-V Posted December 17, 2019 #58 Posted December 17, 2019 7 hours ago, VTHokiEE said: A heat gun is an interesting idea, of course I recently bought a small travel iron to apply the heat but I feel like the heat gun would be easier (maybe not cheaper though). Thanks for sharing the technique! Did you already experimented with the traveler iron? I bought also one after seeing it in the video of Chuck. Quote Currently working on the HMS Sphinx from Vanguard Models
Norway Posted December 17, 2019 #59 Posted December 17, 2019 Splendid work! Bending with clamps and heatgun or iron.... Does that work with walnut and lime wood? Quote
VTHokiEE Posted December 17, 2019 #60 Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, mugje said: Did you already experimented with the traveler iron? I bought also one after seeing it in the video of Chuck. Not yet (I haven’t done a planked model yet 🤫 but my next one will be), I saw one in a store and thought that I would pick it up for when I get to planking. Ronald-V 1 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG)
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