Bill Hill Posted February 27, 2020 Share #1 Posted February 27, 2020 If your ripping your lumber on aByrnes saw from good billets or sheets from Syren is a thickness sander a must have to finish it out? Bill Moab and Justin P. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin P. Posted February 27, 2020 Share #2 Posted February 27, 2020 I’ve never used Syren billets or sheets, but generally use the Byrnes thickness sander as a step prior to ripping sheets on my Byrnes saw, not after. Based on Syrens own description of their products, I assume they will come ready to rip without needing an additional thinning unless you need a specific dimension not offered. mtaylor, BobG, EricWilliamMarshall and 1 other 4 Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxis Posted February 27, 2020 Share #3 Posted February 27, 2020 Thickness sander or a Proxxon thicknesser DH40, which would be a better purchase? In this part of the world a thickness sander is a very rare tool, a thicknesser instead is more common machine. mtaylor, davyboy and Martin W 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAT Posted February 27, 2020 Share #4 Posted February 27, 2020 It all depends on the wood species, grain direction, blade sharpness, rejection criteria and your cutting technique as to how many planks will be acceptable after ripping. I think the sander is invaluable for saving a bunch of planking that would have been rejected if ripping only..... Quote Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davec Posted February 27, 2020 Share #5 Posted February 27, 2020 For scale sized planks, thickness sander alone should be fine. I have the Byrnes, and before that used a Preac (same idea, much smaller motor). I haven't had any times with pear, boxwood, holly, cherry, or ebony where the thickness sander didn't get me to a usable billet. I have a tool buying addiction and haven't come up with any reason to justify buying the miniature planer. bruce d, Justin P., Ryland Craze and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds: Wingnut Wings AMC DH9 Model Shipways 1/48 Longboat Model Shipways 1/24 Grand Banks Dory Soon to start: Fully framed Echo Completed builds: East Coast Oyster Sharpie Echo Cross Section 1/48 Scratchbuilt Hannah from Hahn plans 1/64 Kitbashed Rattlesnake from Bob Hunt practicum 1/64 Brig Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modeller_masa Posted February 27, 2020 Share #6 Posted February 27, 2020 Because of minimum feed thickness of a thickness planer, feeding woodsheet less than 6mm (most of portable thickness planers) or 3mm (the Proxxon DH40) can cause serious kickback injury. I prefer the Byrnes thickness sander for the reason. Not aggressive, quiet, manual feeding, and precision height adjustment. Rustyj, Martin W, Bob Cleek and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted February 27, 2020 Share #7 Posted February 27, 2020 I also have a Byrnes thickness sander along with an Proxxon Table saw. Yes for me, the thickness sander is a truly valuable tool. Waiting for the day when to invest in a Byrnes table saw. mtaylor, Bob Cleek and Martin W 3 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radek Posted November 7, 2021 Share #8 Posted November 7, 2021 Hi. Exist there (in continental Europe) any alternative to Byrnes thickness sander? I was given a Proxxon table saw - OK that was free. But we can't find suitable small 230V drum thickness sander sold in EU. Thank you for the advice, Radek Quote HMNB Granado POB HMS Revenge POB paper model Pharaum Mizzrin RC boat ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted November 7, 2021 Share #9 Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Radek said: Exist there (in continental Europe) any alternative to Byrnes thickness sander? There is always the option to build your own. Were you in the US, I would say that this option would probably not be less expensive than a Byrnes sander when all factors are summed. The key factors: Go quality. Use a large enough motor. 1/3 HP is the sweet spot. 1/2 HP tends to be heavy and bulky. A reversible motor is NOT needed. Unless you also want it to be a medieval siege engine. DO NOT enclose the motor! Sanding is a lot of work for a motor. Work = heat. As much air flow as possible! The drum holding the sanding medium needs to have a large enough diameter - somewhere around 3 inches - before the medium was available as continuous cloth backed rolls, the width of commercial sanding sheets set the diameter. added: The drum speed should be ~1700 rpm - faster and the wood burns - slower is slower - that is a common speed for 1/3 HP motors and 1:1 on pulleys is easy. Having a mechanical grip on the roll is way more convenient than using an adhesive to hold the medium. A dead flat table that stays that way is absolutely necessary. A reliable and micro adjustable gap set and hold mechanism is a must. A dust extraction hood is absolutely needed, but no big deal. I made mine using three layers of Amazon box cardboard, liberal PVA between the layers, 1/4" square internal corner braces, and duct tape. A kludge sander will sort of work for a time, but will ultimately be a source of frustration. Edited November 7, 2021 by Jaager Canute, EricWilliamMarshall, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radek Posted November 7, 2021 Share #10 Posted November 7, 2021 Thank you for the detailed description. Honestly said - I've tried to build one inspired by Youtube. (And read these topics: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25374-a-diy-thickness-sander/ https://modelshipworld.com/topic/26329-thickness-sander-questions/ ) My machine has an acu screwdriver instead of motor - 1st mistake. Its drum is about 2 inches - second one. Etc., etc. So I wrote to Jim Byrnes and I'm looking for factory made sander. Radek Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote HMNB Granado POB HMS Revenge POB paper model Pharaum Mizzrin RC boat ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted November 7, 2021 Share #11 Posted November 7, 2021 Radek, I think Byrnes thickness sander is available for 220/240 V, just like the saw. mtaylor, EricWilliamMarshall and Canute 3 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahka_est Posted November 7, 2021 Share #12 Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) Hi Probably there isnt any real other alternative. There is ine guy building some tools on FB but ik not sure if he sells them also-probably will sell. https://m.facebook.com/tools.man.5454 Sanders that are kinf of good would suite start from 1000 eur as for as i know. Vahur Hobbymill.eu Edited November 7, 2021 by Wahka_est Canute and mtaylor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radek Posted November 13, 2021 Share #13 Posted November 13, 2021 Hi! What's typical reaction time of Jim Byrnes? I wrote on Sunday and without answer till now... Radek Quote HMNB Granado POB HMS Revenge POB paper model Pharaum Mizzrin RC boat ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted November 13, 2021 Share #14 Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Radek said: Hi! What's typical reaction time of Jim Byrnes? I wrote on Sunday and without answer till now... Radek You may want to send Jim a PM on here. I had better luck that way. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radek Posted November 14, 2021 Share #15 Posted November 14, 2021 Another unsuccessfull attempt - contact e-mail on website: office@byrnesmodelmachines.com mtaylor 1 Quote HMNB Granado POB HMS Revenge POB paper model Pharaum Mizzrin RC boat ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbyr Posted November 14, 2021 Share #16 Posted November 14, 2021 The website email is not always working the best use mmllc@cfl.rr.com that is our direct email Jim mtaylor, Ryland Craze, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radek Posted November 14, 2021 Share #17 Posted November 14, 2021 Thanks - I send an email. Radek Canute 1 Quote HMNB Granado POB HMS Revenge POB paper model Pharaum Mizzrin RC boat ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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