michael mott Posted February 24, 2021 #1 Posted February 24, 2021 This is the new project that has to be fully researched yet. There is some cursory information for this model in the Thesis by Daria Elizabeth Merwin pages 57-65 I will add information as it comes together before the build starts. druxey, wefalck, MAGIC's Craig and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
michael mott Posted February 24, 2021 Author #2 Posted February 24, 2021 Thanks to Keith Black for directing me to this post which references Gill Smith's work. Michael mtaylor, Keith Black, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
WalrusGuy Posted February 24, 2021 #3 Posted February 24, 2021 Thanks for directing us here from your other build log. I'll follow along with a lot of interest! mtaylor, thibaultron, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Current: USF Confederacy - Model Shipways (Build Log) HMS Pickle - Caldercraft (Build Log) Complete: Virgina 1819 - Artesania Latina (Gallery) U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways (Build Log, Gallery) On the shelf: Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways
Jim Lad Posted February 24, 2021 #4 Posted February 24, 2021 That's a beautiful looking little craft, Michael. John Keith Black, mtaylor and thibaultron 3 Quote
Gbmodeler Posted February 25, 2021 #5 Posted February 25, 2021 This looks fun! I'm in. thibaultron, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote COMPLETED: Amistad Schooner, 1839, 1:96 Scale Zephyr Steam Boat, Puget Sound, Late 1800s, 1:96 Scale Chinese Junk (Fictional), 1:96 Scale Light Vessel 114, Fire Island, 1930, 1:93 Scale Bretagne, 1908 French Fishing Sloop, 1:48 Scale Barco Catalan, Late 1800s Spanish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Brazzera, 1908 Italian Boat for Fishing and Cabotage, 1:48 Scale Galway Hooker, Late 1800s Irish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Fifie, 1870 Scottish Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale Misainier, 1906 French Fishing Boat, 1:48 Scale U.S. Mine Sweeping Boat MSB-6, 1952, 1:96 Scale
michael mott Posted February 25, 2021 Author #6 Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) Hi Chris thank you for the change to the title, certainly makes it more clear. As I mentioned at the top this is in essence a future build with the need for Photographs that I can legally have access to for the development of this model. The actual boat is in the Long Island Maritime Museum, I have sent them an email regarding digital membership. The drawings that are in the Merwin Thesis were credited to Thomas et al. If there are any members who are knowledgeable in this area I am all ears. Thanks Michael Edited April 3, 2021 by michael mott Keith Black and thibaultron 2 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
rwiederrich Posted February 25, 2021 #7 Posted February 25, 2021 Beautiful Michael.....can't wait to see what you do with her. Rob michael mott, thibaultron and Keith Black 2 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
michael mott Posted March 7, 2021 Author #8 Posted March 7, 2021 An update, I heard back from the Mystic Seaport museum and they can send me 6 prints of Pauline which include all the ones that Daria Elizabeth Merwin used in her thesis. So I am looking forward to receiving them. It will be fun setting them up to do the lofting for the frames, I will use the old drafting table instead of Cad. And if anyone is in the area and willing to take any photo graphs that would be Stirling! Michael druxey, thibaultron, FriedClams and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Roger Pellett Posted March 7, 2021 #9 Posted March 7, 2021 Michael, Rob Napier built a model of a Gill Smith catboat and published an article about it 20? or so years ago. Roger Keith Black, druxey and thibaultron 3 Quote
michael mott Posted March 7, 2021 Author #10 Posted March 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Roger Pellett said: Rob Napier built a model of a Gill Smith catboat and published an article about it 20? or so years ago. If anyone has a link to the article I would be most appreciative. Michael thibaultron 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Bob Cleek Posted March 7, 2021 #11 Posted March 7, 2021 8 hours ago, michael mott said: It will be fun setting them up to do the lofting for the frames, I will use the old drafting table instead of Cad. I expect that including the manual drafting phase in a build-log would be of great educational value to the "younger generation." Fifty years ago, "mechanical drawing" was a staple of most boy's high school education. Today, the average high school kid doesn't even know what a tee-square and triangle are, let alone a batten and ducks. CAD has its strengths, to be sure, but for model lofting, I've yet to see a time, or cost, advantage to CAD over old fashioned lofting on a drawing board. Perhaps many would enjoy seeing how easily it is done. Jack12477, thibaultron, Keith Black and 3 others 6 Quote
Roger Pellett Posted March 7, 2021 #12 Posted March 7, 2021 According to the NRJ index, the model that I remembered was of Pauline and the article was in Issue-39, pages 215- 223. Roger FriedClams, Keith Black, thibaultron and 2 others 4 1 Quote
MAGIC's Craig Posted March 7, 2021 #13 Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) Michael: Over in the WoodenBoat forums, there is an account of a man in England who fairly recently built a full-size copy of the Gill Smith Catboat, "Lorelei", in case you have not come across that. If not, you may find it informative for your project. It is a lovely craft indeed. the link is: http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?224859-Gil-Smith-catboat-quot-Lorelei-quot&highlight=gill+smith+catboat Edited March 7, 2021 by MAGIC's Craig corrected name of design michael mott, thibaultron, Keith Black and 3 others 4 2 Quote
michael mott Posted March 8, 2021 Author #14 Posted March 8, 2021 Roger, thanks for the info I have sent Mary Van Dahm an inquiry. Craig thanks for the link and your thoughts, I have followed that thread in the past and saw the pictures before photobucket put their ugly stamp on top of the pictures. Michael mtaylor, thibaultron, FriedClams and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
michael mott Posted March 8, 2021 Author #15 Posted March 8, 2021 The article has been purchased and downloaded and read. Thanks for the heads up. it cost $2.50 and worth every penny. Michael mtaylor, thibaultron, FriedClams and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
michael mott Posted March 8, 2021 Author #16 Posted March 8, 2021 The article details some interesting methods for the creation of the model by Christopher Morrison, some of the details at 1/32nd scale of a 21 foot boat on page 222 there is a footnote that mentions that George Daniels book Watchmaking is one of the three most important modelmaking books he has ever read, I concur with that assessment, I was given a copy of this book for my 50th birthday in 1998 George makes the art of metalwork sound as easy as snapping lego bricks together. The book is a treasure trove of techniques and is full of wonderful drawings illustrating these techniques. One of the interesting things that Christopher Morrison points out in the description of Gill Smiths boats is that he used sawn natural crook frames from Oak. Planking of Cedar, deck planking of Pine ,Cedar , or Cypress. I have three types of trees in my backyard Crab-apple, Amur Maple, and Bur Oak. I keep all the pruning pieces and save some for modelwork and some for the occasional evening sit by the fire pit in the late summer evenings. here is a lovely piece of apple that I cut 1/2 inch thick and stickered after a major limb was pruned a few years ago. first the rough bandsawn side Hand planing the surface. and a close up of the smooth surface, so for a naturally curved beam. The piece is about 13 inches long. There was a replica of Pauline made called Anitra in 1988, I am hoping that there were photographs taken of the build. Michael Michael Keith Black, thibaultron, Jack12477 and 11 others 14 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
wefalck Posted March 15, 2021 #17 Posted March 15, 2021 Somehow it didn’t klick with me, that you started another log here. Daniels’ book seems to be widely used, indeed, in the trade. I don’t own a copy, but have a variety of other, mainly antiquarian books on watch- and intrument-making. I’ll have to watch this log then as well ... michael mott, druxey, Keith Black and 3 others 6 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux
michael mott Posted March 22, 2021 Author #18 Posted March 22, 2021 The plans from Mystic Seaport Museum are on their way, This is exciting. Michael WalrusGuy, FriedClams, mtaylor and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
michael mott Posted March 27, 2021 Author #19 Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) It was like an early birthday gift! The six drawings arrived today I opted to let them be folded because of the difference in the postage costs, as it was they cost $27 postal fees. Although the drawing state that they cannot be reproduced, I think that the obligatory picture of the plan chest drawer that they are now safely nestled in wont be infringing any rules. So with the table of offsets and the drawings as a guide I will be able to prepare a set of model building plans including the sawn oak frames. Still lots of preparatory work yet though. Today I am a happy camper. Michael Edited March 27, 2021 by michael mott spelling correction Roger Pellett, JpR62, thibaultron and 10 others 13 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
TBlack Posted March 27, 2021 #20 Posted March 27, 2021 Michael, Do you remember the model of the Vinal Haven that you helped me build? The hull plan came from the Mystic Museum and also had a “do not reproduce” stamp on it. I called the museum to ask for permission to copy for my own purposes, and it was readily given. Interestingly, the copy shop paid no attention to the stamp! Tom Keith Black and thibaultron 2 Quote
michael mott Posted March 27, 2021 Author #21 Posted March 27, 2021 Thanks Tom, I will email my contact at the museum for permission to get a copy for my own use to build the model. Michael thibaultron and Keith Black 2 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
druxey Posted March 27, 2021 #22 Posted March 27, 2021 So, a George Daniels fan as well? Wish I could afford one! Enjoy the prep work, Michael. Keith Black, michael mott and thibaultron 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
michael mott Posted March 27, 2021 Author #23 Posted March 27, 2021 Yes, being George Daniels student back in the day would have been a brilliant career choice methinks. Michael thibaultron, druxey and Keith Black 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
KeithAug Posted March 27, 2021 #24 Posted March 27, 2021 All looking very interesting Michael, looking forward to seeing it develop. Keith Black and thibaultron 2 Quote Keith Current Build:- Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24 Previous Builds:- Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/ Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702 J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029 Other Topics Nautical Adventures http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846
michael mott Posted March 27, 2021 Author #25 Posted March 27, 2021 Thanks for the comments and interest. I had to make a start today....sort of like playing with a new toy. first the raw material I taped the lines drawing to the drawing board as a rough guide, and chose some Albalene drawing paper and set it over the drawing. next the baseline and the station lines, and diagonals were drawn according to the stated dimensions, using the table of offsets working out from the center line. Beginning with the sheer line, and marking off on the station lines I used a stick of clear pine 1/8th square as the stick for the ducks. These are slabs of 2" diameter steel with some shelf liner double sided taped to the underside to stop them sliding with some 1/16th steel rod shaped and pointed to grab the stick. As is clear the drawing is close but not as accurate as my line marked off from the table of offsets. The diagonals are off a bit on the print as well, of course this is all due most likely to the printing and paper stretch all the usual suspects. I am using a 4H for these lines, the trick being to keep the pencil sharp. This is so enjoyable, nice instrumental lute music playing in the background, a great way to spend the Saturday afternoon. Once the lines are drawn I will be able to plot the frames. Michael Michael GrandpaPhil, wefalck, thibaultron and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
michael mott Posted March 28, 2021 Author #26 Posted March 28, 2021 Just 2 more buttock lines, and then the diagonals and body plan all the waterlines were close but a couple differed a bit aft the end of the keel. I suppose I will be able to cross reference them once the body plan is done. That's it for today. Michael G.L., JpR62, Jack12477 and 8 others 11 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
vaddoc Posted March 28, 2021 #27 Posted March 28, 2021 Just noticed you started a new project Michael, excellent! I ll be following from the back of the room. mtaylor, FriedClams, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Current projects: 21' Fisherman's Launch - plans by Howard Chapelle Hercules Steam Tugboat - scratch build from half model lines Completed projects: 21' Yawl Longboat - plans from the National Maritime Museum Deben 5 tonner - a Whisstock yard design 24' exploration gaff rigged ketch - a Tad Roberts design 15' knockabout sailing boat
wefalck Posted March 28, 2021 #28 Posted March 28, 2021 In a German forum there is currently a discussion going on about classical draughtsmenship versus CAD. Somehow I have been leaning towards CAD early on, but have the feeling that certain elements would be quicker and easier using hand-tools - or perhaps I don't have the right CAD-tools. Still, there is this southing haptic experience of sitting at the drawing-board. I still have an A0-board that can be raised and tilted, together with the machine and all the draughting tools ... Will be watching this space ! thibaultron, Roger Pellett, FriedClams and 3 others 6 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux
TBlack Posted March 28, 2021 #29 Posted March 28, 2021 Lute music.....I sorta like Schumann myself. Gives me an opportunity to sing along. mtaylor, thibaultron, Keith Black and 1 other 3 1 Quote
wefalck Posted March 28, 2021 #30 Posted March 28, 2021 ... these were supposed to be songs without word FriedClams, thibaultron, Keith Black and 1 other 3 1 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux
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