augie Posted November 5, 2013 Author #541 Posted November 5, 2013 MARK - I'm planning on treenails (simulated) above the wales. But first I have to find the mettle to lay that first plank. texxn5 1 Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
cookster Posted November 5, 2013 #542 Posted November 5, 2013 Looking good Augie! at this rate you'll have yours planked before I ever lay the keel on mine.... augie 1 Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy
gjdale Posted November 5, 2013 #543 Posted November 5, 2013 Great start on the planking Augie. And what a bonus to have Chuck dropping by with such timely and sage advice. This is going to be a real beauty! augie 1 Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
Bill Hime Posted November 5, 2013 #544 Posted November 5, 2013 Augie, I really like how you think through everything you do. What a great group of contributors. I really like the simplicity of the plank bending jig. I'm taking notes all the way! Bill augie and texxn5 2 Passion is Patience...and I am a carpenter in any scale. Current build; Endurance - 1:70 scale, Occre Current build; H.M.S. Surprise - 1796, 1:48 A L
Jaxboat Posted November 5, 2013 #545 Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) Augie, That counter is tricky as are the lights. Took me two attempts . Chuck's lines on your photo are a a big help . Chuck: I am already mumbling and I am only almost ready to start planking the lower hull Best Jax Edited November 5, 2013 by Jaxboat Chuck and augie 2
augie Posted November 5, 2013 Author #546 Posted November 5, 2013 Thanks Jax. But right now I'm more worried about the curve on the bottom of the counter where the hull plank ends fall. There is a sort of pattern on the plans that I transferred onto that section and started sanding away. I'm just bringing in the planks from the lower wales so using them for a guide at the same time. Think I have it right. I'll get a photo up once I have a few planks laid and flowing smoothly. trippwj and SkerryAmp 2 Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
augie Posted November 14, 2013 Author #547 Posted November 14, 2013 Time for the promised update ! Planking has begun. I've begun at the channel wales and am working upward toward the chain wales. The planks are basswood. You may recall that we laid out the sweep ports using a supplied paper template. As we begin planking, it is necessary to notch some of the planks to accommodate these ports. Here's a notched plank ready to be laid: Here's where we are after laying the first 8 rows: Both the port and starboard sides are at this point. All of the individual planks are scale length (25-30 feet). The channels themselves will be double planked after we get all the way up to the cap rail. I haven't broken out the belt sander yet to level things out . After the next few rows we'll be notching out for the gun ports. Probably be a good week or more before the next update. She's a lot bigger than I thought. fnkershner, newbuilder101, JPett and 19 others 22 Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
lb0190 Posted November 14, 2013 #549 Posted November 14, 2013 Great progress Augie, word of advice - do not use course grit paper for the belt sander... :D augie and riverboat 2 Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges
SkerryAmp Posted November 14, 2013 #550 Posted November 14, 2013 Very nice!! That looks like some impressive planking going on there I do say! That long before an update? Okay, okay..nobody panic... we can take it...... okay everyone...just like we planned - we can make it through. lamarvalley, augie, mtaylor and 1 other 4 -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull
j21896 Posted November 14, 2013 #551 Posted November 14, 2013 Looking good Augie. She is definitely a big ship, huh? Robert augie 1 Current Build: HMS Mars
Trussben Posted November 14, 2013 #552 Posted November 14, 2013 Very nice start to the planking Augie, from the picture it looks like you got the run dead on. Yep - she's a big un alright, took me a few months to do all the outer planking but I work much slower than you! Ben augie 1 Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. Completed builds: HMS Winchelsea. ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat. QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
riverboat Posted November 14, 2013 #553 Posted November 14, 2013 She's gon'a be a beauty Augie....... nice start on the planking!! Frank augie 1 completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk)
augie Posted November 15, 2013 Author #554 Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) Thanks everyone! Yes Popeye --- I'm having a blast. And Ben is right ..... it has to be 'all ahead, slow' at this point. Beats flank speed....backwards! And don't fret Andy --- this log runs on auto-pilot. If things get out of control 'we'll fight them on the beaches, we'll fight them in the air ....' And Robbyn- There's always room for you at my table! Edited November 15, 2013 by Augie Shazmira 1 Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
Trussben Posted November 15, 2013 #555 Posted November 15, 2013 Take your time Augie, it's important when you are planking a hull this long! Took me 5 months and I know Chris and rusty took longer than that! Ben Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. Completed builds: HMS Winchelsea. ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat. QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
cookster Posted November 15, 2013 #556 Posted November 15, 2013 Planking looks great Augie! I'm amazed how fast you're getting this done... augie 1 Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy
Rustyj Posted November 16, 2013 #557 Posted November 16, 2013 Oh my Augie. I just got caught up from what I missed while I was away and I LMAO while reading it all. Oh and by the way the planking looks really good too! augie 1 Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
fnkershner Posted November 16, 2013 #558 Posted November 16, 2013 Rusty now that you are back. As you know Jeff has been sharing your spreadsheet of replacement wood for the Syren. Can we get you to post it to MSW? Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me!
Bill Hime Posted November 17, 2013 #559 Posted November 17, 2013 Hey Augie I like the way the planking started above the sweep ports and is notched to include them. It breaks the natural line the eye tries to establish when looking at something repetitive and linear. It slows the track of the eye down and forces it to take a longer look, taking in more detail. You're doing beautiful work my friend Bill Passion is Patience...and I am a carpenter in any scale. Current build; Endurance - 1:70 scale, Occre Current build; H.M.S. Surprise - 1796, 1:48 A L
augie Posted November 17, 2013 Author #560 Posted November 17, 2013 Thanks Bill. Probably see the same thing up on the gun ports. She tells you what to do. With an eye like that, I'll bet we're going to see some first rate work on both your current Phantom and future Confed. Bill Hime 1 Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
CaptCraig Posted November 18, 2013 #561 Posted November 18, 2013 I really hope people continue with rigging...It is an art that really completes the work...Wish the confederacy came with it, then I would get one... -Craig It's never too late to turn the tide... Current Build- King of the Mississippi- Artesania Latina- 1:80 Scale
augie Posted November 18, 2013 Author #562 Posted November 18, 2013 Planking above the wales continues. It'll be slow going for the next week or so as the 1/8 x1/16" basswood planks need to be notched around (a lot) of gun ports. For those of you facing something like this in the future, here's what it looks like: I only use hand tools. Here's a photo of a finished notched plank ready for placement. The overall length represents about 22 feet @ 1:64. The plank is laid on the hull and marked for the ports. The notches are made with the chisel, the corners squared with the square file and everything cleaned up with 220 grit sandpaper stuck on an old file (the same width as the outside of the gun ports including a small relief). Sometimes the wood gets pretty thin in the notched portion so be prepared to lose one every now and then. Now here is that plank glued in place. I use PVA here to allow some time for adjustment. The process is actually a lot of fun but it does require patience (not my strong suit). Hope everyone in the Midwest made it safely through the tornadoes. I'm finally going to get my road heading West up into the mountains opened this week. Been 7 weeks since the flood. They did a helluva job since the original prediction was to open for Christmas. All stay well! Rustyj, Dubz, Script and 11 others 14 Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
egkb Posted November 18, 2013 #563 Posted November 18, 2013 Jeez that is one teeny little chisel you have there.. Think I'd have to go lie down in a darkened room for a bit after using that little fella :) Beautiful work as per usual Augie.. tis a pleasure to follow along with you! Eamonn augie 1 Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄
j21896 Posted November 18, 2013 #564 Posted November 18, 2013 Very, very nice Augie! Robert augie 1 Current Build: HMS Mars
realworkingsailor Posted November 18, 2013 #565 Posted November 18, 2013 Looks really nice. I wonder if if would be worth trying what Chuck did on his Winchelsea build... (You remember?) with the planks that widen under the gunport sills? Just a thought... Andy Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy
lamarvalley Posted November 18, 2013 #567 Posted November 18, 2013 You say you don't have much patience but I think your work shows that you do Very nice and crisp Augie! augie 1
augie Posted November 18, 2013 Author #568 Posted November 18, 2013 Looks really nice. I wonder if if would be worth trying what Chuck did on his Winchelsea build... (You remember?) with the planks that widen under the gunport sills? Just a thought... Andy Have to confess Andy....I didn't remember. I love his Winchelsea but haven't really kept up with her. Sounds like a reasonable approach.....but first you need some wider planks. Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
realworkingsailor Posted November 18, 2013 #569 Posted November 18, 2013 but first you need some wider planks. Easy enough to do, and you really don't need too many for the task either. Something I may consider when my time comes... augie 1 Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy
CaptCraig Posted November 19, 2013 #570 Posted November 19, 2013 Love the explanation of the Gun Port sills. This is a lesson I will remember when I start modeling. Just got to figure out where I get that tiny chisel...lol -Craig It's never too late to turn the tide... Current Build- King of the Mississippi- Artesania Latina- 1:80 Scale
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