TJM Posted June 19 Author Share #121 Posted June 19 (edited) Log entry 38 The rigging is done! Phew! That was a learning process, and while there is a lot of room for improvement in the small details, and a few mistakes here and there, I am very happy with the overall result. Fun fact: it has taken a little more than half of the total build time to do the masts and rigging - around 85 hours or so total for that part. This was about twice as long as I had anticipated! It is not a problem, and the effort is worth it, but good to know for setting my own expectations in future builds! Now all that is left is the anchors and some rope coils - I am not really happy with my first tries at making coils, so I will peruse the forum for good techniques to do these. BR TJM Edited June 19 by TJM whitejamest, wvdhee, chris watton and 7 others 3 7 Quote Current Build: Completed Build: HMS Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted June 19 Share #122 Posted June 19 Looks great, you should be proud of that! TJM 1 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted June 19 Author Share #123 Posted June 19 2 minutes ago, chris watton said: Looks great, you should be proud of that! Thank you Chris, that means a lot! Quote Current Build: Completed Build: HMS Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thukydides Posted June 19 Share #124 Posted June 19 Looks great, well done. 1 hour ago, TJM said: I am not really happy with my first tries at making coils, so I will peruse the forum for good techniques to do these. See below for a picture of the jig I have landed on after trying a bunch of different methods. The two pins you can space further apart or closer together depending on how big you want the coil to be. I start by super gluing a small loop and putting it on the large pin. Then making a loop in the remainder and twist it and flip it over on the large pin (see below crude diagram). I then loop the remaining rope around the two smaller pins slipping it in-between the two loops until I have enough turns. Finally I super glue the end of the rope against the coil to hold it in place. I then give it a blast with the hairdryer and finally coat it in diluted matt varnish to help it hold its shape. Once all dry I pull out the smaller pins and pop it off and it holds its shape. CiscoH, TJM, chris watton and 2 others 3 1 1 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Alert (Vanguard Models) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted June 20 Author Share #125 Posted June 20 (edited) Thank you @Thukydides! Yours was the first log I was going to go for 😁. I will definitely give it a try! A few questions: Is it correctly understood that when you flip the second top loop up, you then have to thread the main loops in the coil between the first and second top loops on each pass? Meaning that a piece of thread has to be cut off the spool to begin with? My experience with CA and light thread is that it seeps into the thread and permanently colours it - but I don't see any sign of that in your image! How do you do? Use tiny amounts? Is it the low viscous or gel CA? Thanks! Edited June 20 by TJM chris watton and Thukydides 2 Quote Current Build: Completed Build: HMS Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thukydides Posted June 20 Share #126 Posted June 20 Sorry I should have been a bit more clear. I took a few more pictures to illustrate, but I think you have the idea. First I should note that I am using polyester rope and so that has dictated some of my process. If I was using natural thread I could use white glue to hold it, but that doesn't work on the polyester so I have to use super glue. If using natural thread you might want to experiment with alternative fixing agents. With regard to the super glue I use Bob Smith Medium super glue. It is pretty runny and I only use very small amounts. I really just use it to tack things in place so that they don't move until I can blast them with the hair dryer and then varnish them to fix them in place. If you use small amounts and you are careful to let it fully dry then I find it leave no visible marks other than a shininess. The matt varnish is both to take away the shininess and also to hold everything together. Note I thin the matt varnish with equal parts flow aid to make sure it goes on very thin. you don't want to have the rope looking like it has a coating over it. To apply super glue I put a bit on a yogurt container lid and then use pins I got from the dollar store to carefully apply tiny amounts precisely. These are really cheap so the moment I get much glue build up on the pins I throw them out and grab another. With regard to the actual process I have taken a couple more photos using a scrap piece of rope. You start with a length of rope cut to the approximate size you think you will need. You can see above where I have glued the first loop (A) and then flipped the second loop around and attached it to the first (B). Note that the direction of the first loop will depend on the direction you attached the line to the cleat or pin. You want this to simulate that the end at A is a continuation of your tied off line. Then you loop the rope around through the gap between the loops as many times as you want. D and E show where the pins would theoretically be. I have this upside-down in the picture as you want the glued loop to be the lower one. If you are wondering why my jig has the loops bent over the edge of the wood, that is because polyester rope is stiff and so I need to pre form the fact that the loops will not be on the same plane as the coils when it is hanging. Hope this helps. rcweir, Ryland Craze, Jay 1 and 2 others 4 1 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Alert (Vanguard Models) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted June 20 Author Share #127 Posted June 20 Brilliant, thanks a lot for taking the time to explain it so nicely! I will give it a try! Thukydides and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Current Build: Completed Build: HMS Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted Saturday at 12:26 PM Author Share #128 Posted Saturday at 12:26 PM (edited) Ok, I will have to give up on the rope coils. I have been struggling for hours, trying out both Thukydides' method and others and this is simply beyond my skill to do at the moment. I have managed one hardly passable coil and could not get it to hang nicely at all. Had it been a few, I might have persevered, but with 50-60 to do to make a consistent look, it is just not worth months of frustration. I'm a bit bummed, but I guess there has to be some room for improvement for future builds. And if I at some point mange to get the hang of this (like with the cannon breech ropes), I can just go back and add them. I will finish up the anchors, and then I will call it done. BR TJM Edited Saturday at 01:45 PM by TJM wvdhee and Thukydides 2 Quote Current Build: Completed Build: HMS Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thukydides Posted Saturday at 05:09 PM Share #129 Posted Saturday at 05:09 PM 4 hours ago, TJM said: Had it been a few, I might have persevered, but with 50-60 to do to make a consistent look, it is just not worth months of frustration. It does take a bunch of them to get the hang of it. My earlier ones are not good and even now I would say 1 in 5 I have to redo. I do them as I go along as I find it easier to access the belaying point when I am tying off the line. This also spreads out doing them. TJM 1 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Alert (Vanguard Models) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted Saturday at 07:38 PM Author Share #130 Posted Saturday at 07:38 PM 2 hours ago, Thukydides said: It does take a bunch of them to get the hang of it. My earlier ones are not good and even now I would say 1 in 5 I have to redo. I do them as I go along as I find it easier to access the belaying point when I am tying off the line. This also spreads out doing them. Yes, this is surely the way to do it. If I could just do a reasonable job of it. I will try again on the next project, and try to do them as I go 😉. CiscoH and Thukydides 2 Quote Current Build: Completed Build: HMS Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmherbert Posted Sunday at 02:16 AM Share #131 Posted Sunday at 02:16 AM I too struggle with those stupid coils. And I keep at it because they really add alot. I have three completed models still awaiting the last few coils. My latest method is to tie/glue the line to the pin leaving it long. Then a make a coil between two nails and tie one end of the coil with fine same color thread. Secure knot with dab of glue. Trim thread. Then pass line through the coil and then loop the line over the pin and cinch up. Some times I'll coat coil with diluted white glue to hold it together. Looks realistic and has been my most successful method. ( but I still hate those videos of guys making them so effortlessly) Bill TJM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted Sunday at 06:29 AM Author Share #132 Posted Sunday at 06:29 AM (edited) Log entry 39 - Finale! With the anchors attached, I now consider my Flirt finished! I whipped out the old DSLR and the big flash for the images to give it justice - though of course it also showcases all the shortcomings 😉. Overall, I am very happy with how it turned out. What an absolutely fantastic kit @chris watton has made! It is truly a testament to the quality of both the kit and the instructions that a first time builder like me can achieve something like this, even with all the small rooms for improvement I know I have! Big thanks to all who followed along and commented and liked along the way. This community and all your logs and helpful comments is a big part of the building experience for me. So really, thank you! I will now take a short intermezzo doing other things (not least; a thorough cleanup), but I am itching to start up the next project, so it probably won't be long before I am back. The next project will also be a Vanguard Models kit, though I plan to give it a Danish twist! So stay tuned for that! See you around! TJM Edited Sunday at 04:51 PM by TJM hollowneck, Ryland Craze, Dave B and 14 others 10 7 Quote Current Build: Completed Build: HMS Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugje Posted Sunday at 06:34 AM Share #133 Posted Sunday at 06:34 AM Lovely ship! Love the colors you used and the natural hull, well done and congratulations! TJM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvdhee Posted Sunday at 06:54 AM Share #134 Posted Sunday at 06:54 AM Looking great 😃 TJM 1 Quote Walter. Current build: Thinking about it Finished build: HMS Flirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted Sunday at 08:16 AM Author Share #135 Posted Sunday at 08:16 AM How do I rename the log to include 'Finished', or is this done by a moderator? Quote Current Build: Completed Build: HMS Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugje Posted Sunday at 11:11 AM Share #136 Posted Sunday at 11:11 AM 2 hours ago, TJM said: How do I rename the log to include 'Finished', or is this done by a moderator? With my Pickle build it was changed by a moderator TJM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thukydides Posted Sunday at 11:15 AM Share #137 Posted Sunday at 11:15 AM 2 hours ago, TJM said: How do I rename the log to include 'Finished', or is this done by a moderator? Edit the title of the first post I believe TJM and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Alert (Vanguard Models) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted Sunday at 11:24 AM Author Share #138 Posted Sunday at 11:24 AM 8 minutes ago, Thukydides said: Edit the title of the first post I believe That worked, thanks! 😃 Ryland Craze and Thukydides 2 Quote Current Build: Completed Build: HMS Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thukydides Posted Sunday at 11:26 AM Share #139 Posted Sunday at 11:26 AM Great job, you should be proud of her. TJM and cotrecerf 1 1 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Alert (Vanguard Models) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocklouder Posted Sunday at 12:50 PM Share #140 Posted Sunday at 12:50 PM Congratulations, nicely done !! Bob M. TJM 1 Quote Start so you can Finish !! Finished: The Santa Maria -Amati 1:65, La Pinta- Amati 1:65, La Nina -Amati 1:65 , Hannah Ship in a Bottle -1:300 The Sea of Galilee Boat-Scott Miller-1:20 ,The Mayflower Amati 1:60, Viking Ship Drakkar-1:50 non Ship Build: 1972 Ford Sport Custom Truck Current Build: King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina-1:80 On Hold: HMS Pegasus: Amati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB789 Posted Sunday at 01:03 PM Share #141 Posted Sunday at 01:03 PM She looks wonderful! Great build, thanks for sharing! TJM 1 Quote Dan Current Build: HM Gun Brig Adder (Vanguard Models, 1:64) Previous Builds: Fifie (Vanguard Models, 1:64), Nisha (Vanguard Models, 1:64), Zulu (Vanguard Models, 1:64), Saucy Jack (Vanguard Models, 1:64), Erycina (Vanguard Models, 1:64), HMS Alert (Vanguard Models, 1:64), Grecian (Vanguard Models, 1:64), Ranger (Vanguard Models, 1:64) Waiting to be Built: Speedy (Vanguard Models, 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted Sunday at 01:16 PM Share #142 Posted Sunday at 01:16 PM A fantastic finish, TJ! TJM 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Salmson 2, Speeljacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted Sunday at 05:06 PM Share #143 Posted Sunday at 05:06 PM Great job, especially for your first build. TJM 1 Quote - Tom - Current Build: Vanguard Speedy Completed: Vanguard Duchess of Kingston, Stove Project, Ships Wheel Project, NRG Capstan Project, Billings Half Moon, Dumas Chris Craft 1938 27' Triple Cockpit Barrel Back, Panart Santa Lucia , Model Shipways Constitution , MS Bounty Launch , HMS Beagle Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsk Posted Sunday at 06:05 PM Share #144 Posted Sunday at 06:05 PM Wow! What a looker! You can be proud of her! TJM 1 Quote --jeff In Process: US Revenue Cutter 1/72 Card (Seahorse), Skipjack Kathryn 1/72 Card (scratch build) Completed Builds: Slavic (Viking) Longship 1/72 (Falconet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted Sunday at 07:33 PM Share #145 Posted Sunday at 07:33 PM I think your biggest achievement is your obvious enjoyment of a first build, recognition of areas that you hope to improve, and an appetite gained to build another. Well done.👍 B. E. Thukydides and TJM 1 1 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted Monday at 08:14 PM Author Share #146 Posted Monday at 08:14 PM Thank you all for the nice comments and all the likes! It is much appreciated. And see you soon for the next project! BR TJM Thukydides and mugje 2 Quote Current Build: Completed Build: HMS Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollowneck Posted Tuesday at 10:46 PM Share #147 Posted Tuesday at 10:46 PM On 6/23/2024 at 3:33 PM, Blue Ensign said: I think your biggest achievement is your obvious enjoyment of a first build, recognition of areas that you hope to improve, and an appetite gained to build another. Well done.👍 Ditto!!! When you're ready to jump back in there are many great choices amongst Vanguard's range. TJM 1 Quote Ron Director, Nautical Research Guild Secretary/Newsletter Editor, Philadelphia Ship Model Society Former Member/Secretary for the Connecticut Marine Model Society Current Build: Godspeed 2, (Wyoming, 6-masted Schooner) Completed Builds: HMS Grecian, HMS Sphinx (as HMS Camilla) Ongakuka Maru, (Higaki Kaisen, It Takes A Village), Le Tigre Privateer, HMS Swan, HMS Godspeed, HMS Ardent, HMS Diana, Russian brig Mercury, Elizabethan Warship Revenge, Xebec Syf'Allah, USF Confederacy, HMS Granado, USS Brig Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted 14 hours ago Share #148 Posted 14 hours ago Great build, congratulations 🙌 TJM 1 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard models (1/64), HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64), Hawker-Typhoon-1b-"Car-Door" - Airfix (1/24) Completed (Ship):- "Nisha" - Vanguard Models (1/64), HMS Orestes (Mars) - Caldercraft (1/64), HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft (1/64), TSS Earnslaw - Paper Shipwright (1/250), Puffer "Starlight" - Paper Shipwright (1/250) Completed (Non-Ship):-Blackburn Buccaneer S.2C - Airfix (1/48), Bristol Beaufort - Airfix (1/72), Mosquito B.XVI - Airfix (1/72), , Sea-Harrier-FRS1 - Airfix (1/72), Grumman F6F-5 Hellcat - Airfix (1/24), De Havilland Chipmunk T.10 - Airfix (1/48), Flamborough Head Lighthouse - Paper Shipwright (1/250) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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