Egilman Posted December 21, 2023 Share #31 Posted December 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Richard44 said: the lower wing seems to have a small amount of sweepback. Is this intentional? Yes, they were designed that way.... thibaultron, Keith Black, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard44 Posted December 21, 2023 Share #32 Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Egilman said: Yes, they were designed that way.... Didn't know that. But every 3 view I could find showed no sweepback at all. Maybe designed that way but later built with no sweepback as was easier. Edit. A side view in "Jane's All the World Aircraft 1919" (facsimile copy) suggests that there is no sweepback. The root and tip chords are shown for both wings. Unfortunately no wing plan. Cheers Edited December 21, 2023 by Richard44 mtaylor, Keith Black, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Richard Next build: Completed builds: AL's Endeavour, Corel's Bellona, Amati's Xebec, Billing's Roar Ege, Panart's Armed Launch Ships' Boats - Vanguard 1:64 and Master Korabel 1:72 Alexander Arbuthnot, Christiaan Brunings, Pevensey all by World of Paperships, card HMS Pegasus by Victory Captain John Smith's Shallop by Pavel Nitikin Rumpler "Taube" 1911 by HMV, card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 21, 2023 Author Share #33 Posted December 21, 2023 22 hours ago, Richard44 said: Is this intentional? No. I hope that's just a trick of the camera angle. 😬 The construction of the wing/fuselage joint is a bit odd in this kit. It allows for a slight amount of flex at the wing root, so if there is an issue, I should be able to fix it. EDIT: I forgot that I had added some CA to the joint in question to stiffen it -- it is what it is now, and yes, the right wing is canted back slightly. One of these days I will make it through a model without making one of these pathetic oopsies. 😂 Canute, Jack12477, Keith Black and 5 others 8 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 21, 2023 Author Share #34 Posted December 21, 2023 All empennage pieces completed. I went ahead and added the elevators to the horizontal stabilizer. The diagrams call for plastic/wire 'hinges' to be used between the pieces. I could immediately see that this would create weak joints. So instead, I drilled pilot holes in the hinge locations and used CA glue to pin the elevators to the stabilizer -- less hinge-like but much sturdier. Here's a dry fit of the finished structure on the fuselage: Rik Thistle, Old Collingwood, James G and 15 others 18 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 23, 2023 Author Share #35 Posted December 23, 2023 On to the landing gear. First we have the prepped parts. And here's the gear glued up and dry-fitted to the fuselage. If you squint really, really hard, you can read the words "Palmer Cord Aero Tyre" on the sidewall. Struts are next! Egilman, hof00, AJohnson and 15 others 12 6 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share #36 Posted December 25, 2023 First off, Keeva says "Merry Christmas" to all my MSW friends! Now for the modeling update. I got all the struts put on. Then it was time to add the top wing. I was thinking that this would be a straightforward task, but I forgot that the Pup, despite being a single-bay aircraft, did not have any V- or N-struts, meaning that all eight struts were individual parts. This made putting the top wing on kind of like lassoing an octopus, but I got it done. Next up will be the wing rigging. The Pup had a lot of rigging! 😑 GrandpaPhil, mtaylor, hof00 and 16 others 19 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted December 25, 2023 Share #37 Posted December 25, 2023 Merry Christmas Chris! 🙂 AJohnson, king derelict, Old Collingwood and 6 others 9 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted December 25, 2023 Share #38 Posted December 25, 2023 Chris, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours. Two nice looking Pups. king derelict, ccoyle, Canute and 7 others 10 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted December 25, 2023 Share #39 Posted December 25, 2023 Merry Christmas, Chris! Old Collingwood, ccoyle, Dave_E and 5 others 8 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted December 26, 2023 Share #40 Posted December 26, 2023 On 12/16/2023 at 12:07 PM, Old Collingwood said: We are not doing Christmas this year so guess it takes this problem out of the equation. OC. The Admiral and I didn't do any Christmas either, we have an anniversary coming up shortly. mtaylor, Rik Thistle, Egilman and 6 others 9 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 26, 2023 Author Share #41 Posted December 26, 2023 Work continues. Before finishing the bracing for the cabane struts, I needed to make the Lewis gun mount. The mount is made from bits of styrene rod. You can see it's located in a bit of a tight spot. While I waited for bits of glue and paint on the gun mount to dry, I built up the propeller, using the optional parts intended to add depth. With the gun mount in place, I could then finish off the cabane strut bracing. I'm now working on the inter-wing bracing, which is six lines per side -- pics to come later. Ryland Craze, realworkingsailor, GrandpaPhil and 15 others 9 9 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted December 26, 2023 Share #42 Posted December 26, 2023 Chris it seems like anything you take on turns into a masterpiece. That is beautiful. Keith Black, Canute, Jack12477 and 7 others 10 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 27, 2023 Author Share #43 Posted December 27, 2023 And that's all for tonight. Richard44, Ryland Craze, thibaultron and 14 others 13 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 28, 2023 Author Share #44 Posted December 28, 2023 The Big Reveal! After pretty much an entire day spent modeling, the Pup is complete! The most labor-intensive task was adding the rigging -- if I counted correctly, the rigging amounted to 38 separate lines. Whew!! Sqn Cdr Dunning's Pup had some 'handles' of some sort attached to the rear fuselage -- I suspect that these were used by the crew of HMS Furious to maneuver the Pup about the flight deck; in photos, the handles appear to be made of rope and look like they may have been wrapped in leather or perhaps tarred. Mine are made of wire and painted black. Also in the photos, I just now noticed that similar rope handles were attached to the underside of the lower wing -- these were not shown on the kit plans, so I will not add them. Getting the Lewis gun onto its mount was a little tricky, and of course the mount had to break during the photo session (🤬🤬🤬), but it's fixed now. As was pointed out to me earlier, the starboard lower wing is canted aft a degree or two -- fortunately, the finished Pup now sits on the Shelf of Fame with her more photogenic port side facing the viewer. Enjoy the pics! mtaylor, Jack12477, GrandpaPhil and 26 others 15 14 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted December 28, 2023 Share #45 Posted December 28, 2023 Beautiful Job Brother.... Being a navalized Pup, those rope loops, although no doubt used to pull and push the aircraft around, were actually the tiedown system.... These aircraft had a takeoff speed of like 40kts or so... (30kt winds over the bow is not uncommon on the open oceans) Canute, king derelict, Nirvana and 9 others 12 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted December 28, 2023 Share #46 Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) A lovely look Pup Chris! Envious you managed to get nearly a whole day to yourself, all my model stuff packed away for the festive holidays to make way for extra chairs and so on. Edited December 28, 2023 by AJohnson Egilman, Nirvana, mtaylor and 10 others 13 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danstream Posted December 28, 2023 Share #47 Posted December 28, 2023 Very nice result, the quintessence of early aviation. I smile at the opening in the center of the upper wing, where the lift loading was the highest. Best regards, Dan Keith Black, Nirvana, mtaylor and 11 others 14 Quote Current build : Mayflower - AL 1:64, Lady Nelson - Amati Victory 1:64 Completed non-ship builds : Spitfire MK I - 1:48, Arado 196B - 1:32, Sea Fury - 1:48, F-15C Eagle - 1:48, Hawker Tempest Mk.V - 1:48, F104S Starfighter - 1:48 "The most effective way to do it, is to do it" - Amelia Earhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Thistle Posted December 28, 2023 Share #48 Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) Chris, Your Pup is about as good as it gets! She's a real beauty. Richard Edited December 28, 2023 by Rik Thistle Keith Black, Ryland Craze, ccoyle and 9 others 12 Quote Current build: U.S. Army K51 Radio Truck with K52 Trailer - 1944 - MiniArt - 1:35 Next build: PM Research Crank Shaper - late 1800s - 1:12 Part finished: HMS Flirt (MSE) - 1782 Vanguard Models - 1:64 Finished: Archer anti-tank gun Diorama - 1944 -Tamiya 1:35 : Churchill MkVII tank Diorama - Tamiya - 1:35 - 1944 : Sherman Firefly Tank Diorama - Revell - 1/76 - WWII : Humber MkII Scout Car Diorama - - Revell - 1:76 - WWII : PM Research Drill Press - 1895 - 1:12 : PM Research Milling Machine - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Engineering Lathe - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Beam model steam engine - 1770s onwards - 1:12 (est) : Stuart 10V model steam engine circa 1920s - 1:12 (est) : Lady Eleanor Fifie Circa 1900 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 : Dallas Cutter 1815 - Artesania Latina - 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted December 28, 2023 Share #49 Posted December 28, 2023 Well done Chris. Very nice build. AJohnson, Egilman, ccoyle and 9 others 12 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted December 28, 2023 Share #50 Posted December 28, 2023 Well done Chris. OC. Nirvana, Canute, Keith Black and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted December 28, 2023 Share #51 Posted December 28, 2023 Very nicely done, Chris! Keith Black, Old Collingwood, Egilman and 7 others 10 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfhealey Posted December 28, 2023 Share #52 Posted December 28, 2023 Very nicely done indeed. The rigging is very impressive. How did you anchor the rigging wires? Fred mtaylor, Canute, Egilman and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 28, 2023 Author Share #53 Posted December 28, 2023 50 minutes ago, jfhealey said: The rigging is very impressive. How did you anchor the rigging wires? Fred, I finally hit on a technique that works reasonably well for me. All of the anchor points have a small hole in them made with an awl. I glue one end of the line into its hole using canopy glue, then let it set until the glue cures from white to clear. I then trim the other end of the line so that it is about 1 mm short of the second anchor point. After daubing a tiny amount of glue into the hole, I stretch the line to insert it into its hole and then hold it for 40-60 seconds. By that time, the glue has normally set enough so that I can release the line slowly. Because I have to stretch the line slightly to reach the second anchoring point, the finished line will be taut, but because it is only just shy of being the exact length between anchor points, it doesn't exert enough tension on the glued joint to pull itself loose. This works on the first try about 80% of the time -- enough to keep me from going completely insane. Richard44, Canute, GrandpaPhil and 10 others 13 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Le Wol Posted December 28, 2023 Share #54 Posted December 28, 2023 Chris, congratulations on finishing the Pup. Such a beautiful model and photos! Nirvana, Keith Black, Dave_E and 8 others 11 Quote Regards……..Paul Completed Builds Glad Tidings Model Shipways. - Nordland Boat. Billings Boats . - HM Cutter Cheerful-1806 Syren Model Ship Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted December 28, 2023 Share #55 Posted December 28, 2023 Another masterpiece! Congratulations yet again. 👍😀 GrandpaPhil, Nirvana, AJohnson and 8 others 11 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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