ccoyle Posted March 1 Author Share #31 Posted March 1 Rudder yoke and instrument panel installed. The kit doesn't supply extra parts for adding depth to the panel. It could be done by photocopying the panel to create an extra layer, but I was too lazy. Hey, at least I'm honest! I should add that I do have the Hurricane Mk. IIc kit from Kartonowa Kolekcja, and that kit does have parts for doubling the instrument panel. realworkingsailor, Jack12477, hof00 and 14 others 17 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 3 Author Share #32 Posted March 3 A semi-disastrous day today. After test-fitting the wrap-around outer cockpit skin TWICE, during which tests it seemed to fit loosely, I glued one side on, only to discover that the other side was too short! I managed to get the glued side off before it had completely set, but not without some minor damage to the paper, resulting in some faint crinkling. Then, onward with Try #2. First side went on fine, but the other side wound up slightly crooked -- which I noticed only AFTER it was too late to do anything about it. As a result, I will eventually have at least one, probably two, somewhat hideous seams to repair. Fun. 🙄 Construction now moves on to the forward fuselage. Unlike later Halinski designs, the nose section of this kit has no longitudinal frame, only transverse bulkheads -- I suspect this will yield a somewhat delicate structure. Egilman, king derelict, AJohnson and 12 others 15 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted March 3 Share #33 Posted March 3 Don't say I didn't warn you about the fitting of the outer skin. Any slight mistake is punished mercilessly here. A hard lesson to learn. Ab Egilman, Canute, Old Collingwood and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 3 Author Share #34 Posted March 3 8 hours ago, Ab Hoving said: Don't say I didn't warn you about the fitting of the outer skin. Any slight mistake is punished mercilessly here. Which is why I double-checked the fit before gluing and got bit anyway. But, happily, seams can be fixed -- they can be papered over, one might say. Old Collingwood, Knocklouder, mtaylor and 8 others 9 2 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted March 3 Share #35 Posted March 3 (edited) Can you add your own longitudinal framing? Edited March 3 by GrandpaPhil mtaylor, Egilman, Old Collingwood and 4 others 6 1 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans) On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury Favorite finished builds: 1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia Goal: Become better than I was yesterday "The hardest part is deciding to try." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 3 Author Share #36 Posted March 3 51 minutes ago, GrandpaPhil said: Can you add your own longitudinal framing? What? Create extra work?? 😧 Richard44, Canute, Egilman and 6 others 4 5 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlwhitt Posted March 3 Share #37 Posted March 3 “papered over” hahaha. 😉 AJohnson, ccoyle, Keith Black and 6 others 6 3 Quote Rick Current Build: MS Mayflower II Completed: MS USF Essex, MS USS Constitution Cross Section, MS 18th Century Armed Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 3 Author Share #38 Posted March 3 Some progress on the forward fuselage, starting with the skins, joiner strips, and joiner tabs cut out and edge colored, then glued together to make the four fuselage sections. Then the skins are shaped and glued into tubes, here shown with their bulkheads. After some sanding to assure that the fits weren't too tight, the bulkheads were then glued in and allowed to dry. Here's the first two sections glued together and test-fitted to the cockpit section. You can see where one of the "hideous seams" I described earlier will occur, though it is not as bad as I feared it might be. And that's it for today. mtaylor, Haliburton, Richard44 and 10 others 13 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlwhitt Posted March 4 Share #39 Posted March 4 As far as gaps at seams go, I've had a little experience with that. I've often wished kit makers would print a little swatch of skin color somewhere in the book that could be used for patches. I think I recall seeing one that actually did that (Orlik Wright Flyer I think). I've tried scanning and printing but could never get it close enough to suit. Oh well.... AJohnson, Keith Black, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Rick Current Build: MS Mayflower II Completed: MS USF Essex, MS USS Constitution Cross Section, MS 18th Century Armed Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 4 Author Share #40 Posted March 4 47 minutes ago, rlwhitt said: I've often wished kit makers would print a little swatch of skin color somewhere in the book that could be used for patches. That's actually quite common in kits these days. The big problem, though, for this particular aircraft is the feathered edges between the brown and green areas of camouflage. Such edges are difficult to replicate neatly. But for this particular seam (and whatever others may result from my misalignment mishap), I'm determined to put it out of mind until I'm ready to attach the forward fuselage. No sense fretting about it before I get there. Keith Black, Egilman, mtaylor and 8 others 11 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 5 Author Share #41 Posted March 5 Forward fuselage ready to go -- ran out of time to mate the two sections. king derelict, Jack12477, Old Collingwood and 11 others 14 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 6 Author Share #42 Posted March 6 So, here is the forward fuselage glued together, along with the patch of the "hideous seam." It is really hard, for me at least, to get a close match for four-color offset printing -- tinted paint just can't replicate exactly the tone and saturation of all the variously colored dots of a printed part. This is about the best I could do, and the result doesn't look too terrible to my eye. It looks worst when viewed straight on, as in this shot, and looks less obvious at other angles. Old Collingwood, Egilman, GrandpaPhil and 13 others 16 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted March 6 Share #43 Posted March 6 Chris, it looks great. It's one of those 'you'll be the only one to notice' details. ccoyle, king derelict, AJohnson and 7 others 10 Quote Current Builds: Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted March 6 Share #44 Posted March 6 How did the port side turn out? Display it with the better side showing. AJohnson, Egilman, Scottish Guy and 4 others 7 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 7 Author Share #45 Posted March 7 15 hours ago, Canute said: How did the port side turn out? Display it with the better side showing. If you go back to the photo of my new shelving, you'll notice that all of my models are angled to starboard. Knocklouder, Canute, Old Collingwood and 5 others 8 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted March 7 Share #46 Posted March 7 Oh, okay. I comprehend now. 😁 mtaylor, Egilman, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 8 Author Share #47 Posted March 8 The next fuselage section is ready to attach. You may notice that it is not actually attached in this photo. That's because the two sections have an incredibly tight fit. I'm not even 100% certain that I can get them to go together. But I decided to wait until the next session before working further on this conundrum. (BTW, I have been sanding down all of the bulkheads in anticipation of just such fit issues as this. It hasn't gone quite to plan. Also BTW, that's not a tear in the aft section -- it's a cut where part of the piece folds down to create part of the cockpit canopy slide rail.) Egilman, Keith Black, Scottish Guy and 14 others 17 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 8 Author Share #48 Posted March 8 Well, my friends, it looks like this will be yet another well and truly screwed attempt at building a Halinski model. As you can see in the photo, in spite of all my best efforts to anticipate tight fits and sand the frames accordingly, there is still a nearly 2 mm height difference between the aft cockpit and the upper fuselage skin of the next section. No amount of gentle shaping has been able to coax that skin into place, and the joiner strips on the cockpit are degrading with the effort. Maybe I should just learn my lesson and leave the Halinski kits to the Poles, who alone among the peoples of the earth seem capable of regularly completing them. After all, I only have like 22 left.🙄 This is just so, sooooo frustrating and depressing -- makes me feel like the rankest amateur all over again.😑 AJohnson, Old Collingwood, druxey and 13 others 2 14 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted March 9 Share #49 Posted March 9 Chris, we can tell from your past work that you're more than capable to build Halinski kits with success. Keep plugging away, I'm sure you'll get there. Old Collingwood, Scottish Guy, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Current Builds: Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted March 9 Share #50 Posted March 9 Issues like this is why I gave up on paper modeling.... Plenty of ways to fix this type of thing, but it's next to impossible once the skin is glued in place.... And you generally don't find this type of stuff until it is in place... Halinski's can be a challenge... Absolutely gorgeous when they go together correctly, frustrating fire lighters when they don't.... Keith Black, Jack12477, Richard44 and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted March 9 Share #51 Posted March 9 I remember now I had this problem too. But if you want to show the hood in the backwards position, you don't see the mess right under it. I must have repressed this, because I never saw the mistake again. I always looked at the model with satisfaction, even though much of the paint has been eaten by now. Perhaps I have to do it again, but there are so many other things I like and so little time... Pity to leave a good model unfinished. Keith Black, Scottish Guy, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 9 Author Share #52 Posted March 9 30 minutes ago, Ab Hoving said: But if you want to show the hood in the backwards position, you don't see the mess right under it. Ironically, I was actually planning to have the canopy closed on this model. I have one idea left to try on this train wreck before I throw in the towel. We'll see how it goes. Canute, mtaylor, Scottish Guy and 5 others 8 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 9 Author Share #53 Posted March 9 Well, after all that doom-and-gloom reaction last night, I think I hit on a solution that will work. First I took a short break to finish off the cockpit canopy rails. Then, moving on to the aft fuselage skin, I cut a slit from the forward edge back to one of the small boxes printed on the spine. There I cut in two small perpendicular slits, creating two flaps. The two flaps can now spread apart when the skin is added to the cockpit section, forming a dart that will need to be filled in with scrap card. I will add a joiner strip between the two sides, so that the dart will have some subsurface to adhere to. There will be a visible repair after the job is finished, but at least I won't have to round-file the entire project -- yet. Cheers! SmashedGlass, king derelict, Richard44 and 12 others 15 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted March 9 Share #54 Posted March 9 Brilliant recovery alan Scottish Guy, Keith Black, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightyo Posted March 9 Share #55 Posted March 9 I'd wager that your shipbuilding experience creating stealers had an influence on this solution. Alan Egilman, mtaylor, Keith Black and 4 others 7 Quote Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted March 9 Share #56 Posted March 9 I’m glad you haven’t thrown in the towel on this one yet! Andy Jack12477, Scottish Guy, AJohnson and 5 others 8 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted March 9 Share #57 Posted March 9 Like others have said - thats an excellent recovery. OC. Egilman, Keith Black, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted March 9 Share #58 Posted March 9 That's the spirit! Old Collingwood, Keith Black, Scottish Guy and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted March 9 Share #59 Posted March 9 Nice recovery! AJohnson, Canute, Egilman and 4 others 7 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans) On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury Favorite finished builds: 1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia Goal: Become better than I was yesterday "The hardest part is deciding to try." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted March 10 Share #60 Posted March 10 Good Thinking, The Admiral said in passing that the solution was simple, it's just like tailoring a pair of pants or a skirt, when you need to make it larger you add a dart in the seam.... Well thought out my friend.... Jack12477, mtaylor, Keith Black and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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