HMS Pegasus 1776 by Trussben - 1:48 - Swan-class sloop based on TFFM

[Trussben]

Well back from working away, drilled and pinned all of the aft 7 cant frames to the deadwood and have started cutting out the final 6 aft cants.

Hopefully get a few hours tomorrow to start making them up.

 

Ben

[Trussben]

Just a quick update, first of the next set of aft cants, no 8 and 9 have been made and installed, now making no 10 which has a 2" cast forward top timber to frame the side of the last gunport, it's being a little tricky and I had to throw 1 side away and make another as they didn't match exactly.

Hopefully be able to post pics this weekend of it installed.

 

Ben

[alangr4]

Ben

 

Just found your latest project. You are certainly off to a fine start and will watch your progress from a far with great interest.

 

Alan

[Trussben]

Here are some pics of aft cant frames 8 thru 10 installed.

Making up the last 3 frames now.

 

Ben

[realworkingsailor]

Sweet! Looks Excellent!

 

Your workmanship is fantastic..... (never mind how big the scrap bin gets! )

 

 

Andy

[Trussben]

Thanks Andy,

 

Surprisingly my scrap bin hasn't got that big yet, I have no idea why though, more luck than skill I think! Lol

 

Ben

[patrickmil]

Ben, the frames look great! You have enough skill at this that I'm not surprised at all that your scrap bin isn't rather large.

[druxey]

Looks good, Ben. You might want to check the second and third cants from aft: they look to be sitting a bit high and will give you a problem later when it comes to fairing. All they will need is a little shaved off their feet to lower them after you've broken out the isopropanol.

[pete48]

Hi Ben, intresting build you have here the frames look fantastic. Great job

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[Trussben]

Thanks Patrick, Druxey, Pete and everyone for the likes.

 

Druxey - I think I see what your talking about from the picture from astern, I will make some measurements from the DOF and TFFM plans to see if they are off, thanks for keeping your eyes out for me.

 

Ben

[druxey]

Thanks for taking my comments in the spirit that they were intended, Ben! That astern photo seems to indicate that they are sitting high.

[Trussben]

Hi Druxey,

 

I have absolutely no issue with people offering constructive comments on my build, I thank you again for looking.

Please take another look at the last picture looking at the inside of the frames, notice how the line of the heels is a pretty nicely curved line between all of these frames, that makes me hope that I haven't done this wrong, but I will be checking it anyway to look for an error.

 

Ben

Edited May 5, 2014 by Trussben

[druxey]

I agree that the inside looks good from that angle, Ben. However, it's harder to hide any unfairness outside the hull!

[Trussben]

Thanks Druxey, I get what you mean.

 

I spoke to my NRG mentor and he also gave some good advice so.....

When I get home later this week I will measure the maximum height of breadths to see if there is an obvious issue, if there is I will reposition them.

If I don't see something obvious then i may try fairing it all in and then see if there's an issue, If there is I will remove the bad frames and remake them a little fuller in the places that were thin.

 

That's the plan anyway. Lol

 

Ben

[druxey]

Good luck with that, Ben!

[Trussben]

Well just arrived home from working away, threw my bags through the door and went strait down to the workshop to look at the issues with some of my aft cant frames, Druxey hit the bullseye and my port frames 2&3 are sitting high compared to the starboard side ones!

 

Starboard frames do not show any problems and the height of breadths are dead on, the first pic shows the astern view of the starboard side from below, the second shows the problem port side internally and shows the frames sitting high compared to other frames.

 

So this weekend I will break out the isopropanol and move the frames down as suggested by Druxey.

It's great to get sage advice that saves your *** on this site, Druxey - I owe you the adult libation of your choice if we ever meet.

 

Ben

[AON]

Druxey = unmatched skill and eagle eyes!

[druxey]

Why, thank you, gentlemen. How do I know all this? I fell into that trap myself while working on my first framed model. Remember, I'd never have spotted the problem if you hadn't taken good photos of your build, Ben.

[Trussben]

Offending spacers and then frames have been removed carefully with the aid of isoproponal, a little bit of clean up to remove old glue residue is needed and then they will be refit.

 

Ben

[Trussben]

After cleaning up, the foot of each frame was carefully paired down with a chisel and offered up to the model until a correct height was achieved, then glued back into place and new spacers made and added.

From the pics you can see that they are now in their correct positions and no problem fairing them in should now occur.

Now back to making the last of the aft cants and the aftmost gunport.

 

Ben

[druxey]

You are going to - temporarily, I hope! - hate me, Ben, but the next frame forward now appears to be out. There is something in the area of the lower breadth sweep (the convex curve coming up to the point of maximum width) that is inset too far. Check your second photo.

[Trussben]

Thanks Druxey " rolls eyes" !

 

I have checked it out and I guess the camera angle makes it look worse than it is as it measures just 1mm under the depth of the other frame, that should fair out no problem don't you think??

 

Ben

[Trussben]

Framing of the last cants and aftmost gunport has begun.

 

Ben

[alangr4]

 

Looking great Ben. You have a steady hand cutting the gunport.

 

Are you treenailing as you go along or are they pins holding the frames to the keel?

 

Alan

[druxey]

1mm? You might or might not want to take a chance on it, Ben. These little things have a way of producing a domino effect. I'll shut up now.

Edited May 12, 2014 by druxey

[Trussben]

Thanks Alan, Druxey and all the likes.

First pic shows all aft framing up to and including the first square frame 14 aft.

Gunport sills and lintels were made of 5" stock Tennoned into the frames, took a few attempts to get these a good fit.

 

Second pic shows one method I use to apply iso for debonding glued in temp spacers, after the earbuds are soaked in ISO they are positioned and covered in cling film to stop it evaporating, after an hour the spacers will pop out.

Last pic shows how messy the work area has become, it shall be cleaned before any more work is done but also gives an idea of my progress to date.

 

I think I will fair in the inside aft framing before moving forward to start making the bollard and hawse timbers.

 

Ben

[allanyed]

Ben

 

Are you going to add all the ports as you make and install the frames?  I know there are those that do this and do it well.    Heck, I have a hard time making them lie in the correct and fair line when marking and cutting them in a finished framed hull.   Cutting the notches in the frames for the  ledges and lintels  is far easier when  doing so off the model, but alignment, for me at least, is not at all likely.

 

Overall though, it is coming along very well.  I wish the "net" had been around when I did my first few scratch builts and could get the mentoring available at MSW. 

 

Allan

[mtaylor]

Looking very good, Ben.  And as for the "messy workarea"... HAH.. that's not what most of us would call "messy". 

[realworkingsailor]

If you call that a mess.... then I must be doing something wrong.....

 

 

Andy

[patrickmil]

Ben, the framing and gunport looks great! I have to agree with Andy, about what you're calling messy. I intentionally clean my work area before snapping pictures, in fact.