DavidG

I will watch this with interest, as I want to build a clipper ship one time. There are not many good kits on the market, this one seems to be of the better ones. Neither many finished examples of the Flying Fish available on the internet. You certainly know what you are doing, good luck for the build.

I gave a try to char removal with a dremel brush with mixed results. It worked fine to remove the loose top layer (which makes most of the mess) but the rest remained for hand filing. But at least made the dirty work a bit faster.

very nice work so far. your precision and finishing are really great! regarding eyes at the end of the block strops, you could try to cut the thread end diagonally. that way the thread end will diminish in thickness under the seizing, simulating the splice.

welcome to the Occre Diana club with a finished model you are not a newbie any more. Building the same ship for ages I will have an eye on your log. In your speed you probably will take me over soon.. Anyway, good luck for your build, this will build into a nice model.

In the meantime, I started to tie ratlines. It is made by clove hitches, using size 50 Corona cotton thread Currently I'm setting up the topmast shrouds, the next milestone will be the completion of the topmast stays. Here is an overall view of the model in it's current state:

Before moving to the topmasts, some tasks were due around the mast tops. First is to install the catharpins and futtock shrouds on the main and fore masts. I used 1x1 mm wooden strips for the futtock poles, in retrospect they are a bit on the thick side, next time I may try to use thread instead. The futtock shrouds take a turn around the pole and secured by two seizings below. The hooks on their upper end are made from modified eyebolts (these are the small Amati copper ones), then darkened by heating them and dipped in oil. Then made the slings and the strops for the jeer blocks. The latter should have double strops, but I wasn't able to fi them to the blocks. Finally rigged them to the mast top.

Having the lower stays done, I started to work on the bowsprit. Despite of there are reliable sources how to do it, I struggled a lot in this area. Given the dimensions of the head and the length of the bowsprit, the lines simply doesn't fit. The first issue is the bowsprit itself, I had to make it longer than the plan to fit the required fittings (and still had to remove the woolding behind the bees) and keep the lines away from bow rails. Then came the question of the figurehead. The kit supplied a nice one, with the small issue it doesn't really fit. The rigging plan bypasses this by leaving the bobstays slack to make space for the figure. My attempts to modify the figurehead or the whole arrangement of the bow were less than successful, moreover I accidentally dropped the poor figure casting broking her arms, to arrive to the conclusion I will have no figurehead on the model. Things got much easier to manage then. First, made the required collars for the bobstays, bowsprit shrouds and fore stays. Also cut two open hearts (the closed ones are from Vanguard Models).. Then set up the lines. The bowsprit shrouds and the bobstays along with all collars are served, it is also visible, how little space left for the figurehead. The bowsprit shrouds have a thimble holding a hook on the other end, attached to an eyebolt. I plan to add another pair of them, as shown in Petersson's book.

I had some progress in the last 3 months. I'm not a fast builder, but try to get some work done each day, even it sometimes to try a knot or two. After finished the rather straightforward (but lengthy) exercise of setting the lower shrouds, I started work on the lower stays. I concluded, the kit rigging plan is not any help at all- while I know nothing about the Spanish practice, some of the features shown are rather dubious (tying off topmast shrouds on the middle of masts, rigging fore stays with blocks, ect). For rigging lower stays I had more confidence, so started with these. The mouse was made on the lathe from dowel, the drill bit makes a good job the prevent the rather small part from braking. I gave a short thought to wave or serve the mouse but dropped the idea and simply painted it. This is the first one, installed on the mizzen mast. main mast: I chose to rig the main stay collar through a hole drilled to the head. Still don't know, what is proper way of tying off the lashing between the hearts. The example above is the most pleasing for my eye, and probably will use this form (v1), but I saw the lashing finished similar to a deadeye, tied off around the shroud above the heart (v2) and also tied off on itself, but only around the upper lashing lines, ie not holding the upper and lower lines together (v3). Any thoughts on this is appreciated, as I still haven't decided and most of the lanyards only temporarily rigged.

don't know how much of help, but pictures of the Woody Joe manuals are published as thumbnails on the right of their product page: https://www.zootoyz.jp/contents/en-us/p1075_Woody_JOE_Ship_in_Bottle_Kit_SANTA_MARIA_Wooden_Sailing_Ship_Model.html

I recently disovered hismodel.com master korabel also sells some fittings.

you made a nice job so far. your planking looks really good. re the gunports, certainly the decision of yours, but let me share my experience. I build on Occre kit for many years. During the time I tried to raise the quality of my work, which many times resulted to take apart what I did and redo it properly. What I recognized, I usually spent excess time on planning before executing a change, because 1) I feel uncomfortable to deconstruct the model 2) I'm not sure what's the best way to do it 3) I'm uncertain if I can reach the results I want. I can't tell how much time I spent issues like this. Regardless, sooner or later I started to cut into the wood (or thread). And usually recognized, that actually doing stuff is not that difficult. Once started, I felt all previous uncertainty superfluous. It's just about cutting a new piece. Or glue a new plank. Simple steps. So, if you wish to build the Cruiser, than strip down the planks and adjust. It seems more frightening than it actually is. But whatever solution you choose, you will build a great model.

a very nice model you are building, these Corel kits build into great looking ships. regarding the transom, I agree the casting doesn't fit the quality of your work. If the cast decoration piece is crisp enough, you may try to make a copy with a blue stuff and modeling clay and glue it over your wooden transom. there's a lot of how-to videos out there, make a search for blue stuff/oyumaru.

Hi Andrey, thank you for making and posting your videos. Over the time I went through them all, especially liked the ones on the rigging. I recognize the nice blocks you make. Do you file them individually? Or do you happen to have instruction on block making? best, David

good looking hull so far! use white glue for the second planking. I use small spots of CA after applying the wood glue to hold the plank in place until the glue dries. push pins, rubber bands also can help.

if it helps, this is how I do it: first, prepare one end of the shroud: make an empty loop by the end of it. use the thinnest thread from your kit for this. once the loop is done, insert a deadeye and pull it tight. then add the two seizing above (you can finish it by brushing on diluted glue). then, find an approximate position of the deadeye on the other end. this don't need to be exact. make an empty loop and leave it as is, for now. Then place the pair of shrouds on the model, and use a wire spacer to temporarily fix the rigged end. by sliding the empty loop on the other end, find the proper position for the other deadeye. insert a deadeye, pull it tight. Finally add the two seizings. For the last step, you may wish to remove the shroud from the model to make finishing more convenient, or use some made up device as below (I know it's not looking great): i hope it helps.

dealing with the same stage on my model, I follow the below diagram for attaching the deadeyes. The line crosses itself right above the deadeye (called a throat seizing). The beauty of the thing is, once this seizing is done, you can slide it to the correct position in the vertical plane and insert the deadeye when the position of the loop is spot on. I also share your struggle regarding the catharpins. Some modelers make it from wire (sufficiently painted). I haven't tried it, but there might be some advantages. You may also consider using thinner lines for both the futtock shrouds and the shroud seizing above the deadeyes. the model looks great, keep on the good work.

thanks to everyone responding to the question. as Druxey says, lateral clearance might be the key. I will follow this practice, actually I think it's the easier route. thanks again.

I'm in the stage to rig the stays on my model with pairs of heart blocks and getting a bit confused on the purpose of the open heart. Petersson show this in his rigging book: the legs of the block are around the jibboom and the blocks sit on top of them. This makes sense, and justifies the purpose of the open heart block design. this picture is from the Jotika website, showing the open heart blocks rigged in the air. This is the way, how the Swan rigging book shows them as well. And most of the ships I see built. But what's the point in using an open block rigged hanging in the air, if they are purposely designed to spread around the top of the mast? The Petersson way make more sense to me. But there must be a reason, why it is not seen on the models. Maybe someone can help. thank you

in similar situation, I used the poor man's kit for blackening: a torch and a jar of used cooking oil. If you heat up your brass piece and dip in oil, it will be dark. Regular oil makes it dark brown, it said, used motor oil will make it black. The poor picture shows my result with cooking oil. It's not black but dark brown, which is acceptable for my purposes. I don't think it works with larger pieces but for small items may be OK.

slowly the model is getting to the rigging stage. I will use it as a learning opportunity, and try out new things I haven't done before. Like serving lines (I'm getting better in it..) and making a rigging plan. The kit instruction is not much a of help, and decided I'm not going to use it (except for tracking belaying points maybe), the books of L.Peterson and Mr. Antscherl are here to help. I also recognize, the construction of my model has limitations, like the rather small scale, the initial kit design, and my modifications, which were or were not properly planned. Building without a set of plans is a new experience anyway, so let's try. Some last pieces to be fitted to the deck before it's too late, here a railing fitted front of the main mast. I also took out the bits made by the kit plan and replaced them. I rigged the mizzen shrouds first, to establish my working sequence, followed by the ones on the main mast. This time I installed burton pendants, although only one pair, due to lack of space. Lack of space became appearent by counting of deadeyes - when installing the channels, I reduced their number to be able to install proper links below, now I have to live with single backstays instead of two pairs per side. Preparing to making the stays, I installed the mizzen stay collar. I made these following the Swan books, eyes on both ends, held together by a lashing (the picture is of the fore preventer stay, but works the same logic) And installed on the mast. The lashing is less than tidy, and if I gain some more experience doing them maybe replace it. Before I start the fore shrouds, wanted to make some progress with the bowsprit. I had a lot of issues with it, partly coming from the longer than expected head rails but also because the kit is designed with a different rigging scheme in mind which I plan to execute. The picture below is it's current state - I wanted to install the wooldings , but they have to go. I need to make space for the bobstay collar to clear the figurehead, even I will make the bowsprit longer by 3 cm. The bees and cap to be painted black later. Next tasks to come: - bowsprit collars (6) - main stay collar (kit shows this rigged to the bowsprit, but sources indicate it passes a hole in the head) - bowsprit rigging (bobstays, bs shoruds) - fore shrouds - then all the stays (5). After it, I can move to the topmasts. I'm sure it will take a while..

Hi Simon, I'm interested in buying the machine. You don't have to send it too far best, David

I use a handheld screwdriver to drive the serving tool. This is way slower than a standard cordless drill, and fits very well for the purpose. A 5 mm hexagonal head fits tightly to the brass tube. I removed the handle, this allowed a hole to be drilled and lead the thread out. I think the pictures make it clear.

https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/ship_fittings.html Hi Helge, Cornwall Model Boats sells a wide range of fittings.

Some builders use CA for their second planking, but there are strong arguments against it. Stains are difficult to impossible to remove (less concern if you paint it) and your are exposed to glue flumes for very long time planking such a big hull, not good for you. What works for me the best, is to apply white glue to the whole plank, also brush it to the edges, then use small spots of CA gel at the ends and each 5-10 cm along the plank to hold it in place while the glue sets. Office clips, clamps, rubber bands, supports pinned to the still unplanked first layer are also help to keep your plank in place.

the build log catches up to the present. As the hull is almost ready, I started to do some preparation for rigging. I still don't know which rigging plan I will use, I have several sources as the Petersen book, Swan class book, kit instruction, other build logs of frigates, etc. I'm not going for historical accuracy (especially for this ship, which is not specific to any source) but see it as a learning opportunity, and most probably I will investigate each feature separately during the work. I rigged ship models before, but now I will try to advance the quality of my work. As a start, I decided to use quality rigging supplies; I was able to find a local source for high quality rigging thread, and purchased Master Korabel and Syren blocks. I also try my hand at serving lines, which I haven't done before, I will use the Syren tool for this. This post about is my experiments with serving shrouds. The mizzen mast has the least number of them, let's start with these. According to sources, the middle 1/4 of the shroud must be served. I thought it's easy: tried to measure the length of the shroud, served it with thin line then rigged the deadeyes just to see, my initial measurement was way off, and the end of the serving on the pairs was not paralel. I need to find a way to establish the proper length of the shroud before serving, so I set them up temporarily, and used wire spacers to rig the deadeyes at both end (I made a throat seizing for this). Having the - hopefully - proper length, I can measure the middle 1/4, and mark it with masking tape: then it can go to the serving tool. I had to recognize, now having the deadeyes at both ends, I can no longer fit the thread through the rods and had to insert dowels to the inside of the gears. This is fiddly job, but allowed me to drive the serving tool with a handheld screwdriver, as a 5 mm hexagonal head perfectly fits to the inside of the axles. This tool is pretty slow, maybe the same speed an experienced user achieves by hand, but provides uniform speed. Being a beginner in this trade, I'm not completely satisfied with the quality if my serving yet. For the most part it is very smooth and even, but I have issues at the start, where the line simply doesn't want to lay evenly. Unfortunately this is the most visible part of the serving. I have to experiment more with the proper angle or speed - nevertheless, there are several shroud pairs ahead of me to gain experience. This is the current state of the experiments. I will rig the seizings above the deadeyes first, then check on the model how it came out. I see this whole process is a bit complicated vs the way I rigged shrouds in the past (without serving). I'm open to any better idea.