mtdoramike Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share #61 Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) I started looking at the prefab sides for the guns and the way the pictorial shows is gluing a piece of wood to the back side of the wooden strip or glue wood pieces in the gun port opening before applying the wooden side panel on. I don't particularly like either Idea. So I'm going to use 1/8" wood spacers between the wood strip and the wooden piece the false gun is mounted to. See Pictures for clarification. I prefer the guns to be a bit more recessed and not sticking out so far. mike Edited February 4, 2016 by mtdoramike UpstateNY, GLakie, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share #62 Posted February 4, 2016 I've started the refit of the cannon mounts side boards. When I added the 1/8th spacer around the gun port openings, I created additional problems such as like 5 of the bulkheads had to be cut back because by the time you add the 1/8th spacers and then the 1/8th backer board for the dummy cannon mounts, it created an issue that the side boards would not lay flush. But wait, the same thing will also have to be done with the lower side boards with the gun openings as well if I want the gun barrels to be even when viewed down the side of the model. A bit more work added to the build and I've just gotten started. Sometimes I have to ask myself, like self, what difference would it have made in the big scheme of things. hahahahahaha. BUt in the end, it comes down to my preference. mike toms10, marktiedens, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share #63 Posted February 6, 2016 I've started the second row of dummy cannon supports. I have had to drastically notch out like 4 bulkheads for the modified cannon supports to fit. I just hope when all said and done, it was worth the extra work involved. mike Canute, marktiedens, toms10 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share #64 Posted February 7, 2016 Bit more work done on the Monte before the Super Bowl starts. I hope it was worth all the extra work involved, but I won't know for sure until I start planking the sides with 1/8 planking, which will also help in pushing the cannon back a bit and not stick out so far. I hate when cannon stick out too far. I painted the inside of the gun ports with black paint. mike toms10, Canute, coxswain and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share #65 Posted February 9, 2016 I got a little more work done on the Monte today. mike Canute, UpstateNY, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share #66 Posted February 9, 2016 Now I have to say that I really do not like preformed sides and bulwarks because they just never seem to fit right and require a lot of attention just to get a good look out of them. But I have to say that these seem to be the exception to the rule. I had went back and forth about ditching the preformed sides and just plank it and cut out the gun ports and mount the dummy supports from the back side of the planking, but I decided it was a lot more work than I wanted to do unless once I tried to put them on and find they look like crap. But I'm satisfied with them. mike GLakie, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted February 9, 2016 Share #67 Posted February 9, 2016 Is the lower-hull going to be double-planked, along with the pre-formed sides? Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share #68 Posted February 10, 2016 Hi George, nope, the hull will be single planked. GLakie, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share #69 Posted February 11, 2016 I got a little more work done on the stern section cabin. I love this blue color. mike mtaylor, toms10, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share #70 Posted February 16, 2016 I started doing a little planking this afternoon. mike toms10, GLakie, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted February 17, 2016 Share #71 Posted February 17, 2016 Looking good Mike! mtdoramike, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share #72 Posted February 17, 2016 You ever have one of those days. Well, I did. I had rip some planking off of one side because I had gotten some of the white wood planking mixed up with some old stock that I had that was different thicknesses. Fortunately I caught it not in time but close enough and only had to rip, pry and talk dirty to the three pieces in order to replace them with the right planking. No harm no foul there. But while cutting out the top row of dummy gun ports planking, my hobby knife slipped and punched out the dummy cannon mount on the first gun port towards the bow. You know that one, that is now covered by the top deck and sealed at the bottom by the lower deck. Fortunately I was able to cut a hole in the lower deck and with a little fussing and cussing, I got the gun mount back into position and re-glued. This has always been my fear when it comes to dummy gun ports that are sealed by two decks. But since the opening I cut will not be visible after planking, again no harm, no foul. But I think I will take the rest of the day off. mike Canute, CDW, marktiedens and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted February 17, 2016 Share #73 Posted February 17, 2016 I know that feeling well Mike. Whenever I start having problems on any project, I just pack it in and walk away for a while, so I start with a fresh perspective! toms10, mtdoramike, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted February 17, 2016 Share #74 Posted February 17, 2016 I know the feeling well. Having just finished cutting all those gun ports on my Victory model, I am ready for a little R&R. GLakie, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share #75 Posted February 17, 2016 I bet daddy, that Latina wood is some hard stuff, like cutting steel. I got so tired of cutting gun ports on the Vic, when I was finished cutting them I didn't want to see another gun port. I'm glad however that I gave myself a 1/8th inch space for the back of the dummy mount to the sides, had I positioned them flat on the inside of the sides, it would have left very little space behind the plank for the blade to cut the planking and I think I would have punched out a lot more than one gun port mount in the end. mike mtaylor, Canute and GLakie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted February 18, 2016 Share #76 Posted February 18, 2016 I bet daddy, that Latina wood is some hard stuff, like cutting steel. I got so tired of cutting gun ports on the Vic, when I was finished cutting them I didn't want to see another gun port. I'm glad however that I gave myself a 1/8th inch space for the back of the dummy mount to the sides, had I positioned them flat on the inside of the sides, it would have left very little space behind the plank for the blade to cut the planking and I think I would have punched out a lot more than one gun port mount in the end. mike I've been wondering, what exactly is that wood used for the planking on the Victory model? In the past, AL models I built employed a double planking, and the first planks were Limewood. But these don't seem to be Limewood, but something much harder. I love the way your Montanes is coming out. Craig GLakie, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share #77 Posted February 18, 2016 They use Sapeli on the Victory, which is quite a bit like dark walnut. Most of the larger more experienced models from AL only come with single planking, but the smaller or more of a beginner or intermediate level sometimes comes with double planking. But I think they are trying to get away from the double planking system. OcCre which is an off shoot of AL also uses single planking. I prefer single planking rather than using the white wood for the first layer then a real thin veneer as a second layer. You have to stain or paint the first layer because if you don't and there is a minute gap in between the second layer, it will stick out like a sore thumb. So if I have to do all that work, I would rather spend it on the first layer. mike GLakie, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share #78 Posted February 19, 2016 I had some left over planking from the Latina Victory and decided to use it for the upper sides and bulwarks planking because it is a different wood than the supplied hull planking wood from OcCre, which looks quite a bit like mahogany, which is a more redish color than the dark brown sapeli from Latina. mike toms10, mtaylor, UpstateNY and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpstateNY Posted February 20, 2016 Share #79 Posted February 20, 2016 Hi Mike, I like that contrast between the woods..looks great. Cheers, Nigel. mtdoramike, GLakie, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build Logs: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section, USF Confederacy Model Shipways Completed Log: Red Dragon Artesania Latina Gallery: Red Dragon: Artesania Latina Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms10 Posted February 20, 2016 Share #80 Posted February 20, 2016 Looking good Mike. I like the contrasting wood. On a side note, Mount Dora made our newspaper's front page today. Big cabbage shortage being predicted due to the weather down there! Evidently Mount Dora is a cabbage mecca. Could be the beginning of a world crisis, not enough or outrageously priced cabbage to go with your corned beef on St. Patrick's Day! Tom mtdoramike, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Attitude is the difference between ordeal and adventure. Finished: Charles W. Morgan, scratch 1:96 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/30666-charles-w-morgan-1841-scratch-196-pob-by-toms10 Finished: HMS Leopard, scratch 1:85 https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2403-hms-leopard-scale-185 Finished: Constellation AL Kit, scale - 1:85 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/1383-constellation-al-185-by-tom-szabo/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share #81 Posted February 20, 2016 hahahahahaha, Heck I live here and this is the first I'm hearing of that BIG CABBAGE shortage. I didn't know we grew that much cabbage. I'm going to have to check into this I might need to stock pile some and jump the price up . Thanks guys, I'm going to start laying a few of those reddish planks and see how the contrast will be. mike Seventynet, toms10, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted February 20, 2016 Share #82 Posted February 20, 2016 Looking good Mike. I like the contrasting wood. On a side note, Mount Dora made our newspaper's front page today. Big cabbage shortage being predicted due to the weather down there! Evidently Mount Dora is a cabbage mecca. Could be the beginning of a world crisis, not enough or outrageously priced cabbage to go with your corned beef on St. Patrick's Day! Tom Well, darn it. I'll just have to drink beer on St Patty's Day now that cabbage is in short supply. Or maybe a good Irish whiskey. mtaylor, mtdoramike, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted February 20, 2016 Share #83 Posted February 20, 2016 Try a Guiness Stout, on draft if possible. mtaylor, mtdoramike and GLakie 3 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pythagoras Posted February 20, 2016 Share #84 Posted February 20, 2016 Hello Mike, Sapele (sa pee le) is a member of the mahagony family. It is grown commercially in Western Africa. It can grow to 60 feet tall before any limbs branch out, so it is knot-free. I just built a table out of it for myPhiladelphia Pythagoras mtaylor, mtdoramike, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share #85 Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Thanks for the info Py, I was thinking it was a member of the walnut family, but mahogany makes a bit more sense. It is beautiful wood. I also notice that a lot of foreign kits use it, so it must be easier to get overseas than in the States. mike Edited February 20, 2016 by mtdoramike GLakie, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pythagoras Posted February 20, 2016 Share #86 Posted February 20, 2016 Mike, My local hardware store in Sebastian Fl. has a great supply of hardwoods where I bought the Sapele. I didn't think it was too expensive, but it is beautiful wood and easy to work with. Pythagoras GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share #87 Posted February 21, 2016 WOW, you are you are lucky, the only thing we can get around central Florida is red oak and maple. mike GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted February 21, 2016 Share #88 Posted February 21, 2016 Looking good, Mike. I'm just catching up a bit. Personally I hate the double planking and false gunports.. If they go to that much trouble, why not just make the gundecks fully open with "real" guns? Then again, after doing that on my Constellation, I realize that I am nuts.... toms10, Canute, paulsutcliffe and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms10 Posted February 22, 2016 Share #89 Posted February 22, 2016 Looking good, Mike. I'm just catching up a bit. Personally I hate the double planking and false gunports.. If they go to that much trouble, why not just make the gundecks fully open with "real" guns? Then again, after doing that on my Constellation, I realize that I am nuts.... vil-crazy.gif Mark, I will second that Constellation note. It was a lot of work for something no one can see. Tom mtaylor, Canute and GLakie 3 Quote Attitude is the difference between ordeal and adventure. Finished: Charles W. Morgan, scratch 1:96 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/30666-charles-w-morgan-1841-scratch-196-pob-by-toms10 Finished: HMS Leopard, scratch 1:85 https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2403-hms-leopard-scale-185 Finished: Constellation AL Kit, scale - 1:85 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/1383-constellation-al-185-by-tom-szabo/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share #90 Posted February 23, 2016 I started planking the hull with the supplied wood and you can make out the contrast in the two dark woods. I planked the upper sides with some of the dark hull planking wood I had left over from the Latina Victory and now using the reddish colored wood to plank the bottom hull. I think it will look pretty neat once it's sanded and a good finish applied. mike Canute, toms10, Seventynet and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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