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Bandsaws are fine for straight and some curved cuts but, as Blue Ensign points out, cannot cut tight curved or intricate and thin pieces. Also, it's much easier and cheaper to replace a scroll saw blade!

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All depends on what you want to do with the saw.  As others have said a scroll saw is great for cutting tight curves but isn't very good for long straight cuts.  A bandsaw does a great job of ripping and cutting gentler curves and will handle much thicker material than a scroll saw.  Best thing is to have both but if you can only get one or the other it will depend on what you need it for most.  If most of your cutting is tight curves in thin material a scroll saw is the way to go.  BTW you can get 1/16" blades for a band saw that will cut some really tight curves.

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One of the main decisions for me in buying my scroll saw (Excalibur 16") was what projects i am working on now and in the future. I also do full size woodworking so I needed a larger saw. I do fret work cutting so I wanted a saw that would cut more straight up and down. Some model have a sort of lunge cut where either the top or the bottom is actually cut further in. I paid close to 600.00 dollars for mine. If you will only be making miniature projects then it would be overkill. I've looked at the Proxxon scroll saw and it looks like it would make a nice straight up and down cut. I'm sure there are others. I once had a Delta scroll saw but it had a bad lunge cut, which is not good for fret sawing. Lots of options out there. Main decision is knowing what you want it to be able to do.

 

 

Greg H.

GREG H.

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Just remembered that there was an old Scroll Saw floating around the shop, don't know where it came from. Knocked the crud off and took some photos, thought someone might be interested. Uses coping saw blades and has a two speed pulley setup. Hooking it up to a power supply and a new table should be all that is needed to put her back to work.

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I have a 16" Delta Bandsaw and a 16" Excalibur. If looking at my overall time in the shop mostly I use the band saw. I find it very easy and quick to cut on. However, when I need to do very exact cuts following inside curves, I would probably go to the Excalibur. However, that is me. When cutting frames, I tend to cut them on the band saw, leaving a little extra meat on them then using the disk sander and oscillating sander to remove the extra. I found that just works well for me. However when I was cutting very fine pieces for ship's boats, I used the Excalibur - hands down.

 

The band saw and the scroll saw are very good at what they excel in. So it really depends on you, your building style, and what you are trying to do.

Bill

Chantilly, VA

 

Its not the size of the ship, but the bore of the cannon!

 

Current Build: Scratch Build Brig Eagle

 

Completed Build Log: USS Constitution - Mamoli

Completed Build Gallery: USS Constitution - Mamoli

 

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This may not be the place to say this, but I too have been contemplating a scroll saw for a future build. I have been interested to hear about the different values of scroll saws and band saws, so have followed this discussion with much interest. Clearly for my purposes I would tend to a scroll saw.

 

However, I have already a coping saw and a jeweller's piercing saw, but I was worried that these would be very hard work and possibly lead to inaccuracies. However, I thought it best to try it out before committing to spending such a large sum of money.

 

So I took the plans of La Jacinthe and reduced them to 1:64 (not wanting to waste some scrap plywood that the local wood merchant gave me for a pound) and cut out the fore-aft bulkhead as well as a couple of the rear bulkheads. I left a millimetre or less around the edges knowing that I was likely not to be able to have a perfectly vertical stroke.

 

Imagine my total surprise to find that it wasn't all that hard, and probably took as much time as it would have done to set up a scroll saw and cut to the same tolerance.

 

This has made me do a rapid rethink. Do I really need a scroll saw? Certainly if I were only to make plank on bulkhead models I would probably say no. However, when it comes to making all those small parts for a fully-framed plank-on-frame model, then I could imagine the whole thing would be made much less tiring and easier with a scroll saw.

 

In the end, I'll probably get a scroll saw, seeing that I want to do a cross-section and eventually a full plank-on-frame. However, that will be the future and I'm going to do a plank-on-bulkhead model with my coping saw and piercing saw -- partly to explore just how nicely it can be done, and partly just to say I did it!

 

Tony

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Being from Canada watch the Canadian Tire flyer, they have a fairly good 18" with light and blower that retails for around $400 but they go on sale for $200, that is what I paid for mine last fall.

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I'm glad this thread has produced such a great and informative discussion!! Thanks all! 

hamilton

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current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch)
 
previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); 
MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit)HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS GreyhoundFair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851)Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch)
 
under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy

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I support what Bill says about using a band saw instead of a scroll saw.  A bench top 9 inch saw can be had for under $150 US.

With an $80 upgrade by adding a Carter Products Blade Stabilizer,  an 1/8" blade will almost do a "wheely" as far as how tight a

curve you can cut.  The blades have set, so you must be mindful about how close you cut to the line.  The blade only cuts downward,

so there is no up/down vibration on the piece being cut.

I do POF, so there are no inside cuts - any such cuts for components - a hand fret saw will probably do.

A 9 inch band saw will not do saw mill duty and will be limited in how thick resawing stock can be.  It is not the tool to turn an Apple log into model scale stock.  But for the cost a Hegner, you can get a 9 inch band saw and a 1.5-2 HP floor model band saw  and also be a sawmill.

NRG member 50 years

 

Current:  

NMS

HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error

HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing

HMS Beagle 1831 refiit  10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing

The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842
Flying Fish 1838  pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers
Porpose II  1836  brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers
Vincennes  1825  Sloop-of-War  - POF timbers assembled, need shaping
Peacock  1828  Sloop-of -War  - POF timbers ready for assembly
Sea Gull  1838  pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly
Relief  1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly

Other

Portsmouth  1843  Sloop-of-War  - POF timbers ready for assembly
Le Commerce de Marseilles  1788   118 cannons - POF framed

La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers

 

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Another option, which I don't think was mentioned in this thread, is the Sakura scroll saw, now I believe sold under the P & S Woods name.  These are sometimes found on E-Bay and excellent saws for the money.

 

I do however agree with previous posts recommending a band saw for this task.  I use a 14 inch Laguna Band Saw myself, but have the small Sakura when a scroll saw is needed.

 

Bill

Bill

 

Current Build:

Kate Cory Scratch Built

 

Previous Builds:

Benjamin W. Latham Scratch Built

H A Parks Skipjack Scratch Built

Charles W. Morgan Model Shipways Kit

Rattlesnake Model Shipways Kit

Diligence Model Shipways Kit

 

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post-7293-0-46990300-1469860303_thumb.jpgpost-7293-0-19593300-1469860191_thumb.jpgHere's a 1934 12" Craftsman-branded Walker Turner scrollie I just picked up last weekend for $20. It has the original stand and fretsaw blade vises and guides. Sometimes you can find oldies that still work well. Apart from being slathered in oil because of a leaky crankcase gasket, this saw is in great shape and runs smoothly. Switching blades is very easy.

 

Steve

 

 

completed models:

Shenandoah (Corel)

 

waiting on the shelf:

La Sirene (Corel)

Half Moon (Corel)

Puritan (Mamoli)

 

 

 

Patsy (derisively): "It's only a model."

Arthur: "Sshhh."

 

 

 

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     Not sure if you are still looking for a scroll saw, but I highly recommend The Wen 16 inch,  A very good saw for the money... ;)

 

 

      Keith

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Current build:

 

     A Battleship

 

Past builds:

 

   The Unicorn - The Lindworm - Malahini -  Shinobi Maru  -  The MaryJane - The Weeligstraal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

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