Shazmira Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share #181 Posted October 30, 2013 Thanks Jay, now I understand what they mean by a simulated sheave. I had not seen a picture of a real one before, so did not grasp the concept of the pulley inside. Now I can finish the gaff rigging! Jay 1 and trippwj 2 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 1 Posted October 30, 2013 Share #182 Posted October 30, 2013 Perfect Robbyn--glad I could lend a hand! Quote Current Build: Ariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted October 30, 2013 Share #183 Posted October 30, 2013 Robbyn, Looking great. Havent been comentig much anywhere cause of work but I have been dropping in nightly. Dont you just love it when that light bulb goes off in your head and you go "OH!" For me at least those are the bits of knowledge that stick. Sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share #184 Posted October 30, 2013 Sam, I have poured over diagrams in rigging books, and I know I have seen at least a sheave or two in all of them. Gotta say though, it is amazing how it is basically all greek to me until I come to the actual application of what I have looked at. I read those books a long while back, and nothing really clicked, but they had to be returned to the library. For me, I seem to be more of a hands on person, gotta actually do it before what I am reading makes sense. Don't know how many times I have seen the term simulated sheave in logs and instructions , but it took that pic Jay posted for that dang light bulb to turn on. Good thing is, once they actually click in my brain, then I retain it. Never seem to be able to forget all the little details once learned: a blessing and a curse lol Bedford, src and Jay 1 3 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted October 30, 2013 Share #185 Posted October 30, 2013 You're moving alone nicely Robbyn and she looks good. The syren gets closer every day.... somewhat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share #186 Posted October 31, 2013 Hahaha Steve, very funny. Perhaps if I had some of that stuff, I would have the energy to get everything done that I need to do Alas, no crystal meth, just my little container of push pins that I use for planking or when I need to hold something small in place on a jig. Randy, the Syren call is getting so very much louder and hard to resist, but I am trying very hard to stick to my guns and complete both the other builds before I start her. Although I am thinking to finish the longboat, then begin the Syren, as I remember, the planking was a lot of slow work, with much time spent waiting for glue to dry. Sooooo I could put on a couple planks, then rig a couple lines on the SFII. Yeah, that's the new plan, that'll work SkerryAmp, Bedford and Adrieke 3 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted October 31, 2013 Share #187 Posted October 31, 2013 Sounds like a plan !!! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted November 1, 2013 Share #188 Posted November 1, 2013 Yeah Robbyn, that sounds like a plan, surely nothing could go wrong there! Actually it is quite a good plan, when one start bugging you you can switch to the other and so on. I will be watching Syren too. Steve Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share #189 Posted November 2, 2013 Ran into a bit of a snag. After Jay's post I did finish the rigging on the gaff, then moved onto the chainplates. There are only 4 of the little buggers but they threw a wrench in the works. Since I have such a bad reaction to CA, I decided to not follow Chuck's instructions and use CA on the wire that forms the chainplates. I tried 2 different types of glue, but neither worked. As soon as the least bit of force was placed upon them they would pull apart. So the next day I attempted to solder the wire. That was a complete disaster, the wire provided in the kit would not hold the solder at all, it just rolled off in little beads, and if I got a big glop of it to hold and tried to file it , it just broke off. Sooooo I was forced to break out the bottle of CA. got all four of my chainplates glued together and filed and shaped. Problem is I spent the next three days sick from my stupid reaction to the stuff. I would go to work, have my classes, then come home and sit miserably while I suffered through the effects of the stuff, so no building got done for those 3 days. Feeling better today, so going to tackle my shroud lines and what ever else I can manage in between laundry, house cleaning, and grading. here she is with the rigging on the gaff completed these are my chainplates with the attached deadeyes in the little jig for spacing. They don't look nice and straight, but that is okay, when they are put into place it will straighten them out. SkerryAmp and Adrieke 2 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 1 Posted November 2, 2013 Share #190 Posted November 2, 2013 Your chain plates sound like they were a pain and health hazard! Hope you're feeling better mi amiga! An alternative to kit wire is black annealed steel wire made by Hilman; it comes in a variety of gauges, is inexpensive (about $4 for a 50' coil), and generally silver solders well. While I don't often use it, 5 minute epoxy is great for jobs that really need to hold--not sure if the smell will also cause a reaction for you Robbyn but it's worth a try given your experiences with CA. Jay Quote Current Build: Ariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted November 3, 2013 Share #191 Posted November 3, 2013 Hi Robbyn, I agree with Jay - give the 5min epoxy a try. I react to CA as well, but I'm okay with the epoxy. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted November 3, 2013 Share #192 Posted November 3, 2013 Robbyn, Sorry to here about your reaction, sounds like your feeling better. Build is looking good though. Is it the fumes that get you? Would one of those NIOSH rated paint masks work? I would agree with the others 5 min epoxy sounds like a great alternative, I would recommend you wipe or dip the part in acetone or alcohol first to make sure you get all the oils off. Epoxy doesnt play well with oils. For your soldering, did you clean the brass REALLY good? When a file isnt efficient I have been using a maroon scrubby pad folded over and then draw the wire through it till its nice and shiny (shinny?) Just out of curiosity, what kind of torch and solder are you using? Sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted November 3, 2013 Share #193 Posted November 3, 2013 The kit supplied metal wire will not accept solder. I used 26g brass wire obtained from either Hobby Lobby or Joanne Fabrics. Since it is coated I ran it through the gas stovetop flame and pickled it in isolation alcohol after forming. I used Tix solder. Stay bright also works well. These are both soft solders which will accept blackening. Take a peek at my build log to see how I made them. edmay 1 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share #194 Posted November 4, 2013 I will have to look into the 5 min epoxy... never much cared for epoxy fumes, but that was just smell, not allergic reaction. I really think a painter's respirator is the way to go, I have one on my Christmas list! I did make progress I swear, in fact I have 2 more lines to add and all the rigging will be done Pics tonight, I promise. I have been helping Craig out in the oilfield lately, so by the time we got home it was too late to log on and post pics, but I will when I get home from work this afternoon. mtaylor and SkerryAmp 2 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted November 4, 2013 Share #195 Posted November 4, 2013 Good job Robbyn in spite of the allergy. Give that 5 minute epoxy a try. Silver solder, like Stay brite or tix requires pretty hot temps. Shazmira 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share #196 Posted November 5, 2013 Okay, promised pictures, dang tiny hooks that had to be fashioned...there's gotta be an easier way lol In the process of making the traveler ring now Here she sits a few pics of the rope detail (yes I see one of the belaying pins needs to be repainted) I have one more line, the Jib sail halyard, to complete and then all the rigging will be done. Then it's making the grapnel and the oars and I can put this one in the completed column!!! Yipee, I can hear the Syren song Adrieke, edmay, augie and 7 others 10 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted November 5, 2013 Share #197 Posted November 5, 2013 Well well Lady... she looks pretty darn good to me! Well done... and in the finished column which must feel good. You should feel proud... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted November 5, 2013 Share #198 Posted November 5, 2013 Great work on those tiny bits. You're going to LOVE Syren Shazmira 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted November 5, 2013 Share #199 Posted November 5, 2013 Wow Robbyn, very nice! Must be a great feeling to have one in the finished column. For your rings and hooks, do yo have a round nose plier? sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerryAmp Posted November 5, 2013 Share #200 Posted November 5, 2013 Robbyn, that little boat looks amazing!! VERY well done!!!! Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted November 5, 2013 Share #201 Posted November 5, 2013 I have to agree with the rest. That looks just great !!!!!! You are ready for the Syren! A few parts and then finished? So finally we can see what you do with the Syren??? Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted November 5, 2013 Share #202 Posted November 5, 2013 Great work Robbyn. You must be thrilled to have completed her (almost). Congratulations. I'll look forward to following your Syren build - I'm sure you will make a first class job of her too. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 1 Posted November 5, 2013 Share #203 Posted November 5, 2013 Great work Robbyn--a very fine looking longboat! Looking forward to your Syren! Oh, btw if you purchase a half face respirator, be sure to get organic filters and use them in the mask otherwise you're not protected from the vapors of most chemicals we work with. Jay Shazmira 1 Quote Current Build: Ariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted November 5, 2013 Share #204 Posted November 5, 2013 Let me add my congratulations to the rest. The boat looks fantastic Shazmira 1 Quote - Tom - Current Build: Vanguard Speedy Completed: Vanguard Duchess of Kingston, Stove Project, Ships Wheel Project, NRG Capstan Project, Billings Half Moon, Dumas Chris Craft 1938 27' Triple Cockpit Barrel Back, Panart Santa Lucia , Model Shipways Constitution , MS Bounty Launch , HMS Beagle Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted November 5, 2013 Author Share #205 Posted November 5, 2013 Thanks for the kind words everyone. I am actually pretty proud of this little boat. I did exactly what I wanted to do, which was take the skills I learned from trial and error on the SFII and make a better showing on this build. It worked out pretty darn good,a couple little mishaps along the way, but nothing earth shattering. It feels so good to be this close! Sam I will remember that on the respirator, I seriously did tell Craig that was what I wanted for Christmas when he asked last night, I think it will make my building much more enjoyable, no down time everytime I am forced to use CA. Alas, no, at this point and time I do not own a round pair of needle nose pliers for making rings. For the traveler ring I formed it around a piece of dowel, unfortunately for the hooks I needed to make I did not have a small enough diameter dowel to make a nice round eyelet at the end. But, I saw other logs where peeps made theirs and they looked like mine, so not worried about it on the build. I think it gives a rustic kind of look to have them squarish...at least that's my story and I'm sticking to it Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted November 5, 2013 Share #206 Posted November 5, 2013 Drill bits work well for wrapping wire around if you don't have small enough dowels. Shazmira and edmay 2 Quote - Tom - Current Build: Vanguard Speedy Completed: Vanguard Duchess of Kingston, Stove Project, Ships Wheel Project, NRG Capstan Project, Billings Half Moon, Dumas Chris Craft 1938 27' Triple Cockpit Barrel Back, Panart Santa Lucia , Model Shipways Constitution , MS Bounty Launch , HMS Beagle Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted November 5, 2013 Share #207 Posted November 5, 2013 Robbyn, Looks great!!! I'm looking forward to seeing the grapnel and oars. Will this one get a display case? Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted November 5, 2013 Share #208 Posted November 5, 2013 That looks so well done. Congrats!!! I do hope you enjoyed the project from start to finish. Cant wait to see the Syren start taking shape. Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted November 6, 2013 Share #209 Posted November 6, 2013 Well done Robbyn, you have come such a long way in the SFII haven't you ? Remember I told you I was going to build a schooner, click on the link to "maine three masted schooner" in my signature. Steve Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted November 6, 2013 Author Share #210 Posted November 6, 2013 Tom...well slap me upside the head, never crossed my mind to grab my big girl drill bits, wow, I bet I will remember that next time I need to make a ring, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Mark, started sanding and shaping oars last night, really hoping to finish her off for good by the end of the weekend! Chuck, I really did enjoy this little build, the best part of it was the clear, concise instructions to follow...that really makes all the difference in the world! So looking forward to setting the Syren free from her cardboard prison Steve, it is amazing the knowledge I have picked up over the course of the past year....if I continue to learn and grow at a fraction of that rate then maybe one of these years I can actually offer some newbie some real advice and sound like I know what I'm talking about! src, Bedford, Sjors and 2 others 5 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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