SkerryAmp Posted June 17, 2013 Share #121 Posted June 17, 2013 Robbyn your paint job looks fantastic!! What, if any, flaws that may exist will get overshadowed by the rest of the model as it gets put together - I can't see anything that jumps out as . Trust me, I am the master of the building these things :blush: :blush: -Adam Shazmira, augie, Sjors and 1 other 4 Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share #122 Posted June 21, 2013 Question, I am putting the floorboards in and I am wondering are they supposed to be laid along the curve of the hull, or should they provide a level place for one's feet from one side to the other of the hull? Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcicero Posted June 21, 2013 Share #123 Posted June 21, 2013 Can't say anything about the model because I haven't gotten that far yet, but I would think the floorboards would be flat. If they curved, I would think all the gear in the boat would slide to the center. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share #124 Posted June 21, 2013 Dan, that is what my logical mind is telling me as well. Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted June 21, 2013 Share #125 Posted June 21, 2013 Still, Chuck Passaro let his boards (not the aft and forward platform) go with the lines of the hull... See: http://www.thenrg.org/chuck-passaro---nrg-member-ship-model-photos.php Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmay Posted June 21, 2013 Share #126 Posted June 21, 2013 Hello Robynn,Paint job looks good,5 stars.Edwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted June 21, 2013 Share #127 Posted June 21, 2013 The floorboards sit on the ribs (frames) of the boat. In order for them to be level, the ribs would have to be built up to support the floorboards. Additionally, David Antscherl, in his design of the cutter for the Swan class, also shows the floorboards as running with the curvature of the hull. And if the ship-model-god says thats how they go... Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share #128 Posted June 22, 2013 Thanks everyone for getting back to me. I had taken a closer look at Chuck's log and I do see them following the line of the hull so that is what I did. Working on those fragile little platforms now ugh! trippwj 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share #129 Posted June 30, 2013 Made a little bit of progress. I was really unhappy with that top rail last I posted an update...so I tore it off, made a new one, and did a better job of keeping the edges sharper with this soft basswood. Made it much easier to keep the white on the "sides" rather than floating up to surround the red paint. Then I installed my floorboards and platforms. i wanted a richer color, so I stained them with minwax red mahogany. scribed, then stained and installed the risers. and as you can see the clamps dented the soft basswood, so had to sand and touch up paint again carved and sanded the front wall of the "foot locker" Then scribed and installed my thwarts Now I am working on the larger thwart, and doing the metal work on it. Should have it installed tomorrow. augie, Cuda1949, Ryland Craze and 3 others 6 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted June 30, 2013 Share #130 Posted June 30, 2013 I knew it. A couple of days away, you come back and take a look and bingo.......a new version emerges. Very nice work Robbyn .... and a great decision. Proud of ya Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted June 30, 2013 Share #131 Posted June 30, 2013 Nice work Robbyn. I see you're well and truly on your way to the darkside when you pull off pieces you don't like and remake them. Good for you! augie 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted June 30, 2013 Share #132 Posted June 30, 2013 Wow and with everything else going on in your life. She's looking good. For some strange reason I'm not at all surprised you re-did the rails Shazmira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrieke Posted June 30, 2013 Share #133 Posted June 30, 2013 very nice work Robbyn Shazmira 1 Quote Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar Next build : undecided On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 30, 2013 Share #134 Posted June 30, 2013 Robbyn, Well done on the rework. I think we all knew that was coming. Yeah.. the darkside has you in it's grip. Abandon all hope, ye who enter here. Auctions are sometimes great. Usually not for things like antiques, or power tools, though. I did see a local yard sale that did have some very good prices on power tools recently but again, that's rare. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAd My Fingers Posted July 1, 2013 Share #135 Posted July 1, 2013 Your re-work looks great, and I like the color contrasts you used with the stains. Mmm from what you've said, and also from what I've also experienced, replacing key basswood pieces on a build with harder wood is the way to go--adds a little to a kit's cost but perhaps saves on hassle and etc. with fighting with basswood. Quote Current Build: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted July 1, 2013 Share #136 Posted July 1, 2013 She looks great Robbyn I knew it... rather than strip the paint tho you stripped the whole rail... and a good decision it was . Much crisper.... I wonder how much time we, as modelers, spend redoing... not complaining cause if it ain't right... fix it til it is but just wondering... I think a good quarter to a third of the time I have spent on my san fran has been in the rip out and redo phase. And you seem to have the same disease as me Shazmira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4whelr Posted July 1, 2013 Share #137 Posted July 1, 2013 Robbyn, Your boat is looking awesome. As to auctions, I have a family member that works in the auction business. When I asked if I could get any good deals at an auction, he said, "Occasionally, but that people get somewhat aggressive in bidding. It becomes a competition for many people and they are willing to pay any price just to win. Better to just buy the thing new." Just what I learned. Eddie Quote <p><span style="font-size:12px;"><strong>"Be yourself. Everyone else is taken." - Oscar Wilde</strong></span></p><br /> <p> </p><br /> <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='<a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2720-elsie-by-4whelr-modelshipways/#entry73752'>http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2720-elsie-by-4whelr-modelshipways/#entry73752</a>'><span style="font-size:12px;"><strong>Current Build - Elsie</strong></span></a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share #138 Posted July 1, 2013 Jay, I have decided to order boxwood from hobby mills for the Syren. I refuse to fight with this soft crappy basswood on that build as well!!! Great for first planking, but absolutely useless for anything else Randy, you are the one who gave me the idea to "strip" it off several pages back lol, I just took it to mean strip the whole piece off Eddie, I like to go to auctions, and have gotten some very good deals on many items...just NOT power tools it seems. I try to leave other half at home when I go, because he falls in that catagory you mentioned...it becomes a "got to win" and he usually ends up paying much more than the item is worth. Me I go in with a price in my head...if it goes over more than 5-10 what I had in mind, I just walk away. Personally I would prefer to buy my tools new (with a warranty), or gently used by someone I knew took care of them. However, if I could get a really great deal I would buy them, that way, if they are aboslute garbage I am not out much and can still afford to replace with a new one. 42rocker 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share #139 Posted July 1, 2013 First a picture for Sjors without the bow or stern cut off Fought with this thwart...Made two of them as per the instructions and both snapped in half when I tried to fit them between the frames and under the rails. So I got a little creative and fashioned my own little fix for the problem. UGHHH close up really shows all those nasty basswood fuzzies. Close up of completed piece...sorry for the blurriness, but at least it hides the fuzziness Went to work making the seats and locker lid next, I think I have them shaped and fitted correctly. I also decided to add a little "groove" to help hold the back "frame" for the toolbox lid. I think I will also glue a small strip of some scrap below this to offer some support. The view with the "frame" dry fit Painted seats installed. I can see now I am in a bit of a "fix" I measured my risers, but it seems they are too high, there is very little space between the tops of the seats and the underside of the top rail. I see looking ahead there are some corner piece to be added and there is supposed to be a gap between those corner supports and the tops of the seats. Well, mine will not have much gap...the only way to fix this is to strip out everything to the floorboards and move it all "down". I don't feel like that kind of a redo, and I don't foresee any issues other than "looks" to leaving things the way they are. If I am wrong, someone please tell me now so I can do it over if need be. Ryland Craze and Anja 2 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted July 1, 2013 Share #140 Posted July 1, 2013 Thank you Robbyn for the wonderful picture ! It's not the first time that wood snapped and it will for sure not will be the last time…. When that happened, the scratch skill are coming Very nice young Lady ! Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 1, 2013 Share #141 Posted July 1, 2013 Looks good Robbyn. We have to remember that the macro lens is not our friend. If it looks good at normal viewing distance, it's good to go. 42rocker and augie 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share #142 Posted July 3, 2013 Thanks to everyone for the kind comments and encouragement! Remember, if it looks like crap, then tell me!!!! Tom, I understand the whole priority thing believe me, most of mine center on keeping a mortgage paid for on a house I don't live in....hopefully it will sell very soon now that it is on the market!!! Then I can switch my priorities to my shop and all the tools that will fill it Small update, finished the seats and tool box, complete with faux hinges per Chuck's instructions. I think it works ok. working today on all the knees, got them shaped last night, trying to get them painted now. so hopefully more pics to follow Adrieke and augie 2 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbuilder101 Posted July 3, 2013 Share #143 Posted July 3, 2013 Looking great! I like the colour change on the internal parts, and the faux hinges look terrific too! Quote Sherry Every goodbye is the birth of a memory... Current Build: San Felipe Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log Gallery: Mayflower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrieke Posted July 3, 2013 Share #144 Posted July 3, 2013 very nice and i woudlnt have known the where false ones if you didnt tell Quote Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar Next build : undecided On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 3, 2013 Share #145 Posted July 3, 2013 Looks nice! Chuck has a whole ...... boatload...... of suggestions like that. You're going to enjoy Syren. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share #146 Posted July 4, 2013 Spent the afternoon creating the windlass and handles, I think they will work. Have a question, the instructions say to paint the rings, and eyebolts black. The waterbased (ME) paint I have is NOT sticking to the brass and I do not have access to anything like blacken it. Is there something I can do to treat the brass first so the paint sticks? Windlass handles windlass and handles installed, as are the oar locks close up of the windlass Salty Sea Dog, hopeful, Ryland Craze and 4 others 7 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 4, 2013 Share #147 Posted July 4, 2013 I know the parts you are talking about are very small and that using primer is almost unreasonable. Sometimes brass has a coating on it so you might try soaking them in acetone for a while then drying them off carefully before trying the black again. You could also try thinning your paint quite a bit and using multiple coats. The first 2 will look terrible but it just might 'take' after that. See if you get any other suggestions and let us know how you make out. GOOD LUCK! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted July 4, 2013 Share #148 Posted July 4, 2013 Robbyn, Ammonia should blacken brass. try Augies acetone first then perhaps some vinegar to "pickle" it. that might give the paint a bit more bite, we do this a work for galvanized steel. Maybe if you have some scrap to test on first? If none of that works re clean and try the ammonia. I dont know if household ammonia will get it dark enough for you, but it might be worth a try. Sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted July 4, 2013 Share #149 Posted July 4, 2013 Humbroll or Revell enamel paint will do the job. Be caefull with amonia: it does balcken, but it also corrodes the material quite rapidly. The blackened stuff is far more brittle than the untreated material (at least, it was when I tried ammonia as blackener) Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted July 4, 2013 Share #150 Posted July 4, 2013 Your windlass and model look great Robbyn You say you don't have access to anything to blacken it... if you have a gun shop anywhere nearby they probably sell brass black for bluing gun barrels and such. Not pleasant stuff but with eyewear, gloves and a bit of ventilation it blackens brass and copper as long as the metal is cleaned very well beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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