HMS Terror by Erebus and Terror - FINISHED - Scale 1:48 - POB - as fitted for polar service in 1845

[Erebus and Terror]

A short behind the scenes video outlining what you can expect from "The Terror". You even get to see me on set, next to a 1:1 recreation of the toughest ship ever to set sail. It was an honest privilege to work with these talented people. 

 

http://m.ca.ign.com/articles/2018/02/12/the-terror-amc-horror-series-will-give-you-nightmares-but-not-for-the-reasons-youd-expect

[Erebus and Terror]

Wel, I'm not sure quite what to do about this, but it is a direct copy of my model and plans... 

 

http://www.occre.com/hms-terror.html

 

 

 

[druxey]

Well, E&T, welcome to the club of those of us whose work has been ripped off by the unscrupulous. I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but it is still  unethical and unconscionable. 

 

Unfortunately, unless you have very deep pockets and can afford international legal costs (which these pirates know only too well is unlikely) there is nothing you can do other than alert the moderators on this site to post a warning to members to shun this offering.

 

My condolences.

[Erebus and Terror]

Thanks Druxey. As I expected. Will send a notice to the moderators as you suggest. They even stole the colour scheme for the natural wood version! Ugh. 

 

Does OcCre often do this?

[Erebus and Terror]

For comparison, their model on the top, mine on the bottom. 

 

[druxey]

Miserable SOBs!!!! What cheek! Again, my condolences. I suppose you could try calling their bluff for royalties....

Edited April 4, 2018 by druxey

[AntonyUK]

Hi E&T.

There is no way they have been able to resurch like you have... Shame on Occre. 

I don't what else to say. Gutted.

 

Regards Antony.

[mtaylor]

Damn.. bastards strike again.   By all means, PM the moderators.  If they ban the kit from MSW, it might give you some leverage, like royalties for removing the ban.   Who would have thought they would pull a Chinese....

[Erebus and Terror]

Thank you all for the comments and support! I have contacted OcCre and they claim to "respect intellectual property", and will contact me about the matter in detail tomorrow. We'll see what they say!

[Chuck]

If its true and I suspect that it is.....then its not just the kit from Ocre that should be banned.   Its the only way they will learn but yes....lets see what they have to say.

[Erebus and Terror]

Hello Everyone,

 

An encouraging update. OcCre just wrote and have admitted that they used my designs/research to create their model - and they are willing to acknowledge and recognize that in some way. 

 

I think it's a good sign. The next step will be for me to request copies of their packaging, plans, and instructions that will go with the kit to see exactly what I'm dealing with. Recognition is good, though I admit this isn't the kit I would have made. It's actually a relatively decent kit for what it is, though.  

 

I'll keep posting updates, but I admit I didn't expect this response, and I'm cautiously optimistic. 

 

Cheers, 
E&T

 

 

[druxey]

Well, that is a pleasant surprise! I hope they deal fairly with you.

[capnharv2]

E&T,

 

If you haven't, it might be useful to mention your work on the Canadian Commemorative stamp, your exhibition at the NMM, and your work as a technical advisor on the AMC series. These are due to your excellent work, and may give you a little more leverage with Occre.

 

Just a thought. I hope things work out well for you.

 

Harvey

[Erebus and Terror]

15 hours ago, capnharv2 said:

E&T,

 

If you haven't, it might be useful to mention your work on the Canadian Commemorative stamp, your exhibition at the NMM, and your work as a technical advisor on the AMC series. These are due to your excellent work, and may give you a little more leverage with Occre.

 

Just a thought. I hope things work out well for you.

 

Harvey

Great advice Harvey. Much appreciated. 

 

[Tigersteve]

Lovely work!

Steve

[Mike Y]

Fantastic research, and now I started watching The Terror show  It is great when enthusiasts are recognised and are invited to participate in relevant projects.

You are one of the luckiest modellers out there, your unique model got way more views by general public than most of the others. Looking forward for further updates in the log, and hope that the Occre story would have a semi-happy-ending!

Edited April 9, 2018 by Mike Y

[Erebus and Terror]

Hi Mike and Steve, 

 

Thanks very much for the very nice comments. Yes, I agree, I am a very lucky fellow. If I had chosen a different subject for my project none of this would have happened. It was the right project, and the right forums/blogs, at the right time. And I had a lot of help and advice from wonderful people on the MSW forums. Without them, I'd be lost! I still can't believe that so many would take time from their busy schedules and lives to help with personal messages and advice. It's a special group of people, here. 

 

Thanks again, 

E&T

 

Edited April 9, 2018 by Erebus and Terror

[Erebus and Terror]

A small update, folks. Negotiations with OcCre have progressed nicely and we have resolved the issue to my satisfaction. As soon as all the paper is signed I'll announce it on the forums. I was impressed by their handling of the issue; they take intellectual property and copyright pretty seriously. Thanks for all the support and advice from everyone here!

[druxey]

Excellent news, E&T! Too bad they did not establish authorship before they went ahead. Hopefully, they will on another occasion.

[mtaylor]

I'm impressed.   That is excellent news.  It provides a nice example to certain other kit makers which I hope would catch on and do the right thing.

[realworkingsailor]

Good news that things will/may work out, but I still think it was a sneaky way to go about it. 

[Erebus and Terror]

Hello There Folks, 

 

Some great news involving the OcCre model; we have reached an agreement and they are providing full attribution of my research and plans (even on the packaging). 

 

More info here, including a chance to win a model kit! 

 

https://buildingterror.blogspot.ca/2018/04/building-your-own-hms-terror.html

 

Now after all this diversion...back to my own model!

 

Cheers, 

E&T

 

P.S. Yesterday was the 171st anniversary of the desertion of HMS Terror and Erebus. 

[druxey]

Well, that's grand, E&T! Congratulations!

[Erebus and Terror]

Thank you Druxey!

[popeye the sailor]

well.....I am very sorry that I lost track of this project!  I've been watching the show........darn good series!  I can't wait till it comes out on DVD....definitely will be added to my collection     superb modeling and intricate detail......very nice workmanship..and man!....I absolutely love that deck!   very sorry to hear of what went down...glad that a compromise could be reached   

 

quite an accomplishment!

[Erebus and Terror]

Thank you for the kind words! I’ll jeep an eye out for your build log!

[md1400cs]

E&T,

 

BRILLIANT work, found your log from a posting that Denis (Popeye the sailor) made about your build at the link that I had posted regarding the OcCre version.

I had NO idea - when I posted - that your research and work had almost been stolen by OcCre - SO happy that things have been resolved to your satisfaction.

The series should also help drive sales for this particular ship, I would think?

 

I will go back and spend a lot of quality time going through your amazing build log, and I will bring a ladder so as to catch your continued work

from way back in your deservedly crowded shipyard 

 

Regards,

[Erebus and Terror]

On 5/20/2018 at 10:10 AM, md1400cs said:

E&T,

 

BRILLIANT work, found your log from a posting that Denis (Popeye the sailor) made about your build at the link that I had posted regarding the OcCre version.

I had NO idea - when I posted - that your research and work had almost been stolen by OcCre - SO happy that things have been resolved to your satisfaction.

The series should also help drive sales for this particular ship, I would think?

 

I will go back and spend a lot of quality time going through your amazing build log, and I will bring a ladder so as to catch your continued work

from way back in your deservedly crowded shipyard 

 

Regards,

 

Thank you Micahel, I really appreciate the kind words. 

[popeye the sailor]

I ws under the impression that it would only be a one season series............looks like there will be a season 2.   I haven't seen the finally,  but I read something about it online.......will there be a season 2?

[Erebus and Terror]

37 minutes ago, popeye the sailor said:

I ws under the impression that it would only be a one season series............looks like there will be a season 2.   I haven't seen the finally,  but I read something about it online.......will there be a season 2?

Thanks for the comment! There may be be a second season (it hasn’t been announced yet), but this was always meant to be an anthology series. So, if they get a second season it won’t be about the Franklin Expedition, unfortunately. It will be a completely different story.