FrankWouts Posted April 11, 2021 Author Share #61 Posted April 11, 2021 On 4/10/2021 at 2:20 PM, Stuntflyer said: Correct! Thanks for the tip Fred and Mike. This is very much appreciated! Luckily the pictures with all bulkheads in position were taken only in a dryfit session without having read Chucks instructions yet. The bulkheads are now glued on in the correct positions and 100% square. I don’t even dare glueing anything on without having read Chucks instructions and checking all of your build logs again and again. Thanks, Frank. Edwardkenway 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted April 11, 2021 Author Share #62 Posted April 11, 2021 I’ve started sanding now after checking for a straight keel and ship again and square bulkheads. I think next update will be next weekend after fairing and sanding the bulkheads of the hull. And after sanding the bulkheads and after more sanding and sanding... Edwardkenway, rafine, Stuntflyer and 9 others 12 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted April 23, 2021 Share #63 Posted April 23, 2021 Looks nice and straight Frank. All the reference marks look good as well. JJ FrankWouts 1 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntflyer Posted April 23, 2021 Share #64 Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, scrubbyj427 said: All the reference marks look good as well. JJ They do, though slight variations from those marks might occur when you set the batten. So, use the marks as a guide. Mike Edited April 23, 2021 by Stuntflyer FrankWouts, scrubbyj427 and Chuck 3 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenderfoot Posted April 25, 2021 Share #65 Posted April 25, 2021 Looking fantastic Frank! Eager to see the results once you have completed fairing the bulkheads. Throughout the coming week I will be dry fitting and the glueing the bulkheads as well and will be keeping tabs here. Then comes the most dreaded process, at least for me. I have always struggled with fairing...not sure if it is improper tools or techniques. I especially struggle toward the bow and stern areas. I have time, and I have patience, so any additional advice in this regard would be greatly appreciated. Really want to get it right. FrankWouts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyz Posted May 2, 2021 Share #66 Posted May 2, 2021 I love what I'm seeing from you Frank. Your model is coming along nicely. Tom FrankWouts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted May 30, 2021 Author Share #67 Posted May 30, 2021 (edited) A small update to show I’m still committed to make progress on my Winnie and to let you all know I’m not dead or something after, what was it, 4 weeks...? I was so busy working past weeks and help my daughter study maths and history for her gymnasium exams in the weekends that it was not untill now I was able to work on the Winnie. Spring weather is finally improving in the Netherlands, so I took her outside sanding for fairing the hull. Thank you all for the likes and tips. Yes, I will use the laser markers only as a reference and use my critical timbermans eye when my batten is on and look to it multiple days from every possible corners (with coffee breaks and intervals ofcourse). With modeling and also when looking at art, paintings, drawings or sculptures, I always keep in mind that every curve has a certain ‘tension’. It should not be too much, and ofcourse also not too little. Also ugly bumps or nods in curves break that ‘tension’, so that’s something to avoid above all, no matter if the tension is too much, or too little. One often sees very skillfully build models, but with the wrong or broken ‘tension’ in the sheer, the absolute beauty is gone. One side faired, and before evening falls, started on the other one and hoping to finnish it before 12, though I’m almost a member of the club of the lame right arm people. So maybe better to continue tomorrow evening. I used and extra piece of wood to determine the angle at which BF-3 has to be sanded. I took the curvature of the curved laserparts as a guide, as my guess is that it has to be about the same curvature. This helped me a lot, I hope this will not be in the way later? From all your beautiful build stories it does not seem it does? Otherwise I can still take it away carefully with my motor tool, chisel and sandpaper if necessary. Edited May 30, 2021 by FrankWouts Rustyj, Vladimir_Wairoa, Beckmann and 8 others 11 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted May 30, 2021 Author Share #68 Posted May 30, 2021 On 4/25/2021 at 8:42 PM, tenderfoot said: Looking fantastic Frank! Eager to see the results once you have completed fairing the bulkheads. Throughout the coming week I will be dry fitting and the glueing the bulkheads as well and will be keeping tabs here. Then comes the most dreaded process, at least for me. I have always struggled with fairing...not sure if it is improper tools or techniques. I especially struggle toward the bow and stern areas. I have time, and I have patience, so any additional advice in this regard would be greatly appreciated. Really want to get it right. What kind of advice do you mean exactly? I simply use two wooden tools from Occre and keep it flat against the surface of two or more bulkheads and start sanding. I use 80, 120 and 150 grid for this. Also for hard to reach corners or curves, I simple fold the sanding paper and move it in the ‘layer’ or surface parallel to where the planking will come. Also for the forming of the stem at first I use a little motor tool which you can see in the pictures. As I’m getring lame enough using only muscle and sandpaper... Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted May 30, 2021 Author Share #69 Posted May 30, 2021 (edited) On 5/2/2021 at 5:18 PM, wyz said: I love what I'm seeing from you Frank. Your model is coming along nicely. Tom Thanks Tom, I’ll do my utmost best on this one! Edited June 1, 2021 by FrankWouts Utter best is not correct English my wife corrected me? Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted May 30, 2021 Author Share #70 Posted May 30, 2021 On 4/23/2021 at 10:47 PM, Stuntflyer said: They do, though slight variations from those marks might occur when you set the batten. So, use the marks as a guide. Mike Thanks for the tip Mike. Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenderfoot Posted June 2, 2021 Share #71 Posted June 2, 2021 On 5/30/2021 at 11:07 AM, FrankWouts said: What kind of advice do you mean exactly? More specifically, I have struggled with getting the shape of the bow and stern correct, especially the bow as it transitions from the top of the stem down to the keel. I too use a rotary tool to take the big bits down and then move on to folded sandpaper in hand. Was just more curious is there were ways/techniques out there on getting a smooth transition, making sure the shape changes as needed, and ensuring the equilibrium between the port and starboard sides when shaping. As for the later, I don't have any tools to properly measure and tend to lean on eyesight and maybe marking a piece of paper to check one side against the other. In the end, it could very well be that it is simple practice that I need and as I have started working the bow area of the Winnie I find I am coming along better than I have in the past, so maybe practice is all that it was. FrankWouts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share #72 Posted June 2, 2021 I don’t know, one could use something like a contour gauge like the one in the picture to compare the left to the right side ofcourse, but in my experience, my carpenter’s eye is more precise than such tools... ERS Rich 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share #73 Posted June 6, 2021 (edited) Small update. Finally finished fairing the hull, I’m going to place the batten and then the gun port sills as per instructions now. Edited June 6, 2021 by FrankWouts Matt D, Edwardkenway, Stuntflyer and 7 others 10 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted June 6, 2021 Share #74 Posted June 6, 2021 Coming along nicely Frank 👌 It's been mentioned before but those laser cut bulkheads look fantastic! FrankWouts 1 Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share #75 Posted June 6, 2021 47 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said: Coming along nicely Frank 👌 It's been mentioned before but those laser cut bulkheads look fantastic! Thanks Edward, yes they definitely make our hobby life much easier and look good too. But they make me respect everyone in this group build who saws them themselves as there are so many of them! Though I see now on my own posted photo's I forgot to angle the last bulkheads with the portside bearding line. They should also blend in little more fluently in the tapered area under the bearding line too I think. Vladimir_Wairoa 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted June 7, 2021 Share #76 Posted June 7, 2021 this one will be top notch Frank i can say from now enjoy the ride. Edwardkenway and FrankWouts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted June 8, 2021 Author Share #77 Posted June 8, 2021 20 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said: this one will be top notch Frank i can say from now enjoy the ride. Thanks Vladimir, I hope so and am enjoying the ride already, but don't forget, I'm just a beginner, I only started Corel's Victory 35 years ago when I was in my twenties, but never finished it as the gun ports sat 2 millimeters too low and some in front of the bulkheads... :-). The instructions were so bad and made you do things in the wrong order, that for a beginner one just got stuck. I now already see lots of things I would have done differently when buidling it now. I will follow your build as well for sure to admire and learn! Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share #78 Posted June 10, 2021 Installed the batten starboard- and portside and checked for symmetry. IMG_5320.MOV Nunnehi (Don), ERS Rich, John Cheevers and 3 others 6 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntflyer Posted June 10, 2021 Share #79 Posted June 10, 2021 Nice work, Frank! Are the two battens at the same position, height wise, at the stem? Mike FrankWouts 1 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share #80 Posted July 6, 2021 On 6/10/2021 at 2:13 PM, Stuntflyer said: Nice work, Frank! Are the two battens at the same position, height wise, at the stem? Mike Hi Mike, thanks, yes they are. I now realize I should have taken a picture from the front directly as well for you to judge for that yourself... Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted July 8, 2021 Share #81 Posted July 8, 2021 Lovely work Frank. FrankWouts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted July 21, 2021 Share #82 Posted July 21, 2021 Looking great Frank! Keep the updates coming. FrankWouts and ERS Rich 2 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERS Rich Posted July 21, 2021 Share #83 Posted July 21, 2021 On 5/30/2021 at 12:07 PM, FrankWouts said: Also for the forming of the stem at first I use a little motor tool which you can see in the pictures. As I’m getring lame enough using only muscle and sandpaper.. Not sure if it’s too late…when removing wood the tool sequence is rasp, file, sandpaper (if needed). Half round rasp and files will get you into the curves. Rasp and files can be both full size and miniature. Here is rasp in action. Files often provide such a smooth finish, that sandpaper is not needed. Really good looking ship, looking forward to seeing more. Ryland Craze and FrankWouts 2 Build Logs: USS Maine, USS Constitution (Hull) Albums: Baltimore Clipper, Sherbourne Cutter, Lackawanna Tug, Eagle Coastal Schooner, Katy Pilot Boat, Sultana Colonial Schooner, Armed Virginia Sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRS Posted July 21, 2021 Share #84 Posted July 21, 2021 Hope you don't mind if I pull up a chair and follow along do you? I like the slow methodical way you work. FrankWouts 1 Paul Current Build: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed Build: HM Cutter Cheerful-Syren Ship Models 1/48 Completed Build: Artesania Latina Bluenose II Completed Build : Lady Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share #85 Posted July 25, 2021 Thanks for the nice words and likes you all, advice (which is never too late, as more hull filing and sanding will follow after this one!) and tips! Here a little update where I stand now. Slowly progressing towards the end of chapter 1. Scary business to saw parts of the bulkheads away… Nunnehi (Don), Rustyj, Edwardkenway and 6 others 9 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacom Posted July 25, 2021 Share #86 Posted July 25, 2021 A very clean tidy build👌 FrankWouts and YankeeD 2 Reg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share #87 Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 11:37 PM, PRS said: Hope you don't mind if I pull up a chair and follow along do you? I like the slow methodical way you work. Hi Paul, no ofcourse not, you're very welcome! The more the merrier and I can use some extra hawk's eyes who spot early errors! I'm only working slow as I'm quite unexperienced, only tried to build Corel's Victory some 30-35 years ago and unfinished as there were errors in gun port placement due to poor instructions for beginners back then. Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share #88 Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) Small update: finished fairing the gunport framing yesterday, I’m now measuring the position and corner of the stern framing parts. I noticed the order of the pictures is from bottom to top...don't know why this happens.... I wanted to show the first (not finished fairing) pictures with the pencil lines on the framing following the earlier faired hull, a tip I read in the build lgo of Paul (PRS). Thanks Paul! Edited August 7, 2021 by FrankWouts Tried to change the order of pictures, did not succeed and then wrote what the correct order is: bottom to top... Nunnehi (Don), scrubbyj427, Edwardkenway and 4 others 7 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 7, 2021 Share #89 Posted August 7, 2021 Looking great, Frank! I’ve had trouble getting my pictures in the order I wanted, too. But if you edit your post, you can drag them to whatever order you prefer. It works best on a computer rather than a tablet. FrankWouts and Edwardkenway 2 Current Build: HMS Winchelsea 1:48 (Group Project) Completed Builds: Virginia 1819 Artesania Latina - 1:41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntflyer Posted August 7, 2021 Share #90 Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) Hi Frank, It's probably just the photo but I'm wondering how the batten looks against the framing in this area. Mike Edited August 7, 2021 by Stuntflyer dvm27, scrubbyj427 and FrankWouts 3 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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