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Rolls-Royce 1920 Pattern Armoured Car by King Derelict - Roden - 1/72


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This is the first Roden kit I have attempted. I have read a lot of positive reviews and they have some wonderful subjects both armour and aircraft - especially aircraft.

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There is a respectable part count for a small model. The detail is quite nice. There is also a lot of flash on some parts and it looks like a file will be needed close to hand for this build. Limited decals and paint scheme for three different cars are provided.

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I don't plan to use the kit suggestions for teh subject car.

I have a little personal interest in this model after finding this engraved on a rock in Birr Murr in northern Sudan a few years ago.

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Therefore the car will be a Sudan Defence Force vehicle of the Mobile Machine Gun Batteries of the 1930s and 1940s

The Imperial War Museum has a photo of them on patrol

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It looks like a two colour paint scheme, from @Egilman research I am thinking it will be British Army Green and Sand

The build is underway

Thanks for looking in

Alan

 

 

 

 

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Im in for this one.

 

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28mm  Battle of Waterloo   attack on La Haye Saint   Diorama.

1/700  HMS Hood   Flyhawk   with  PE, Resin  and Wood Decking.

 

 

 

Completed works.

 

Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic.

HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts.

HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine  plastic.

Black Pearl  1/72  Revell   with  pirate crew.

Revell  1/48  Mosquito  B IV

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1st Mounted Machine Gun Battalion, Sudan Defense Force...

 

I'm in as well..

Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale

In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale

Completed: M8A1 HST  1930 Packard Boattail Speedster  M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer  F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C

Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433  F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale

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Tip-toeing quietly in at the back. 

I'm  enjoying your armour builds😉

Current builds;

 Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25

Providence whaleboat- 1:25     HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 

Completed:

HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished    Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished 

Non ship:  SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED

 

 

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looks futuristic........ a rare subject :)  I've built a few Roden.....they build up pretty good with not a lot of fuss.  you'll have fun.

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finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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I didn't make as much progress as i hoped. I had to deal with the pre Christmas tradition of plugging in the tree lights and finding two strings didn't work. After trying to remember where the spare bulbs and mini-fuses were and it just seemed easier to go to Walmart.

I started building up the assemblies that I plan to paint before putting them together.

The wheels are a two part assembly which I was initially going to keep apart to paint but the inner includes some of the tyre so I put them together. The kit has six wheels, two spares which have different inners to mount on the car. 

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The instructions need a little thought in places, the part numbering is off in several places but the shapes are hard to confuse.

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The underside is quite nice and went together well although cleaning up of most pieces is necessary. The fit is then good. The building of the rear lockers is interesting. The flat square, lower centre is scored underneath and then folded over the U shape piece to create a box as seen lowest centre. I've not seen that before.

I have come across two curiosities so far. 

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The running boards (the rectangles with brackets) if fitted where the instructions indicate will foul the rear wheels. They need to be installed to overlap the back of the front wheel arch and then they match the box art and old photos.

The four wheels are all the same but if you look at the rear hubs they are bigger than the front ones and the wheels do not fit. I haven't thought my way through a solution yet. If I had discovered the issue before installing the rear axle, I could have got a bit rough with a file around the hub diameter. I may see if I can remove it again without too much distress.

The SDF MMGB were at Kharkur Murr in 1934 as part of a British presence to stop the Italians from getting any ideas about encroaching into British controlled Egypt from Libya. Further down the wadi from the rock memorial are the remains of stone huts used by the troops. The MMGB were part of the force present during this period but mostly used Thorneycrofts

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The SDF were responsible for a huge but largely unknown logistics operation supplying Khufra oasis after the Free French captured it from the Italians. The Khufra convoys drove 1200 kms from Wadi Halfa on the Nile across the desert to Khufra. The convoy tracks are still visible in the sand today and a few abandoned trucks are still there too. This is the background I will be modelling my car to. The Rolls and Ford patrol cars were used as escorts to the trucks

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The single round petrol can provided by the kit will be discarded in favour of some home made square tins (flimsies) that were used extensively at that time and are still widely found in the area

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Thanks for looking in

Alan

 

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2 hours ago, king derelict said:

Thanks Egilman - I'll probably be leaning on your research skills

Alan

My pleasure Alan... anything you have a question on I'll see what I can find....

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In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale

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Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433  F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale

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Moving along; now the four main assemblies are complete leaving a few parts that are better painted separately and also three pieces that complete the rear section that need to wait until everything is together to get a good fit - at least that is my thinking.

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I dry fitted the forward and rear sections onto the chassis which saved me from a mistake in waiting.

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There is a board that goes across the lower section of the rear compartment (at left)'fitting onto the two lower vertical pieces. However, the board needs to be fitted low enough to allow the rear of the chassis to pass over the top and allow the rear section to sit up against the rear of the turret. That board is one of the three pieces that will be fitted after the major parts are installed

I am deferring doing anything about the rear wheels until it rear is built up. First look suggests that the wheels need to sit on the outer edge of the hub to be the correct width under the body.

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Everything got a coat of Vallejo black primer ready for the sand colour as the first part of the paint scheme. I am assuming the darker colour in the photos is the British Army green. 

Thanks for looking in

Have a great weekend all

Alan

 

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6 hours ago, king derelict said:

Glad to see you Patrick

Alan

I only have information about the 1940 / 41 North Africa period and Iraq 1921

ps, nice work

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It's not easy finding photo references for the motor machine gun units in east Africa prewar... I hear ya, plenty of WWII references from the north african campaign like this one sporting that diagonals pattern... Lets not talk about the personalities in the pic... {chuckle}

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But then there is this one at Bardia 1940..

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The Sudan Defence Force were local Sudanese recruited, equipped & led by british officers to defend the southern border from incursion by the Italians from Ethiopia...

First pic is British manned cars in East Africa Not sure of the location.... The Camo is a random blotchy pattern, colors unknown but probably brown over green and they don't mount sand tires, standard early '30's road tires...

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Next pic is definitely Sudanese troops in south Sudan exact location unknown... What you can see in this pic are two RR 1920 pattern cars leading the column, what's interesting is the camo pattern on them both are tiger striped but the first car is a right to left pattern and the second car is a left to right pattern.... So there was no set pattern design, and note, they are fairly clean, not a lot of dust on them in a very dusty environment....

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Rolls Royce has a long history in east Africa.... 1914 pattern cars during WWI.... I read that Lawrence of Arabia had his own personal RR Armored Car....

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Very interesting subject.... lots of info, few pics....

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Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433  F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale

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On 12/11/2021 at 2:24 AM, Backer said:

I only have information about the 1940 / 41 North Africa period and Iraq 1921

ps, nice work

Many Thanks Patrick and for the great reference material. I may be verging on fantasy now but I think I'm going to stick with the SDF plan - just because I thought it sounded fascinating to have been a young officer patrolling out in the vast open deserts (assuming you didn't get posted to the southern part of the country

Alan

 

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On 12/11/2021 at 5:44 AM, Egilman said:

It's not easy finding photo references for the motor machine gun units in east Africa prewar... I hear ya, plenty of WWII references from the north african campaign like this one sporting that diagonals pattern.

Egilman, many thanks for the great photos and extensive research.

The camouflage patterns are very varied and this may be expected given the huge size of the country. Sudan ranges from very arid desert in the north passing through the scrub of the Sahal into the grasslands and forest of the south where possibly your third photograph was taken.. It looks quite green there.

I spent most of Sunday working through my material and found a lot of information suggesting where the SDF cars were NOT.  

Many Thanks again

Alan

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Slow progress; I had my nose in books working out background, as I try to work out a scenario for a SDF RR car.

The SDF were busy before the war in all areas with the Italians in Libya in the North and Italian Somaliland in the south and east. I found some of the SDF logs for the occupation of Karkhur Murr (in the north close to the Libyan border) in 1934 and it looks like the vehicles were all Thorneycroft cars.

The IWM photos of the Rolls-Royce SDF cars is dated 1941 in Omdurman so they had them then in possibly a sand and brown paint scheme

In the south the Italian threat was removed as the British Gideon Force pushed the Italians out of Ethiopia in 1941. The camel corps of the SDF were part of Gideon Force but the country was not conducive to vehicle patrols. 

In March 1941 Kufra Oasis (in southern Libya) was captured by the Free French and became a base for the British Long Range Desert Group and was garrisoned by the SDF. The SDF also had responsibility for running the Kufra convoys to supply the oasis from Wadi Halfa 1200 kms away on the Nile. 

My reading shows that the convoys were lightly escorted, they were far from the fighting and petrol was an issue. Typically a convoy would use thirty trucks with twenty carrying supplies and ten carrying petrol for the convoy. As fuel was used trucks were left behind to be reclaimed on the way back

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The sand is quite firm in this area with a thin crust on top. Once broken the crust doesn't easily reform and so the convoy tracks are still there 80 years later.

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So my location for the Rolls-Royce cars is on garrison duty at Kufra in 1942. 

My colour scheme is plain sand which seemed to be the dominant scheme for SDF trucks and cars on convoy duty. They are all seen as light and single colour. 

Abandoned SDF trucks from teh convoys are all single colour

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Even the evidence of lunch is still there too

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I may be completely wrong but it fits what I want to do and none of my neighbours appear to be ex-SDF.

 

I have decided not to try to bulge the tyres. My book notes that too low a tyre pressure resulted in punctures and too high a pressure got you stuck. As experience developed they generally used 30 psi in the sand. the tyres are nothing like modern sand tyres and the photos hardly show any deformation. I will probably just flat them a little.

 

If the historical interludes are boring please let me know and I will desist. I find this area hugely interesting and can get a bit out of hand.

 

Thanks for looking in

 

Alan

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Slow progress while I have been thinking out the background to the model. 

I airbrushed the sand colour onto the assemblies and loose parts. I am beginning to realise that last year I had started out with limited / poor advice for using the airbrush and the maxim that you should use a fixed dilution for a given paint is not correct. I am starting to work with more dilute mixes and thin coats to allow shadowing from the primer to come through. Thank you to the masters here that have given me the insight. I really like how this is coming out as I attempt it.

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I am horrible at hand painting the tyres on a rim so this time I tried masking the rims with blue tack and air brushed the tyres with German Gray. Tyres would be dusty and sun damaged and not a glossy black. I will wash the treads to bring them up a little

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They came out better than I could manage by hand.

The lights have been painted with Mig Bright metal and will be filled with window maker.

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The main assemblies have been fitted together ready for a gloss coat and washes and detail. The fit looks good. It looked okay at teh time but now the Scarff ring looks out of scale. I will see if a wire version will work

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Thank you for looking in

Alan

 

 

 

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Looking Splendid Alan.

 

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Current builds  


28mm  Battle of Waterloo   attack on La Haye Saint   Diorama.

1/700  HMS Hood   Flyhawk   with  PE, Resin  and Wood Decking.

 

 

 

Completed works.

 

Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic.

HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts.

HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine  plastic.

Black Pearl  1/72  Revell   with  pirate crew.

Revell  1/48  Mosquito  B IV

Eduard  1/48  Spitfire IX

ICM    1/48   Seafire Mk.III   Special Conversion

1/48  Kinetic  Sea Harrier  FRS1

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Alan,

 

If the historical interludes are boring please let me know and I will desist. I find this area hugely interesting and can get a bit out of hand.

 

Personally, I find the historical pictures and background stories very interesting indeed. But I can't speak for everyone.

 

Richard

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11 hours ago, king derelict said:

If the historical interludes are boring please let me know and I will desist. I find this area hugely interesting and can get a bit out of hand.

Alan, without the history, what's the point? Although we can sometimes bury ourselves into research, and forget the model, understanding what is being represented is key to representing the model...

 

Keep it going brother... Yep there are a lot more WWII references to the SDF than prewar... especially imagery...

 

Looking great to me....

Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale

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Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433  F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale

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Cool subject Alan, nice start!  Looking forward to seeing this come together.  Just don't make it too nice or I'll start adding armored vehicles to the stash 🙄

Mike

 

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Plastic builds:    Hs129B-2 1/48  SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48  Five Star Yaeyama 1/700  Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama  Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32   IJN Notoro 1/700  Akitsu Maru 1/700

 

Completed builds :  Caldercraft Brig Badger   Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle  Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700   Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350

F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72  Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48  Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48  Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72

Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya  Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16

 

Terminated build:  HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn)  

 

On the shelf:  Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits

 

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It's all about context.  Without it, it's just a model.   With it... it comes to life and tells a story.  Those stories are often forgotten sadly.

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
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 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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3 hours ago, Landlubber Mike said:

Just don't make it too nice or I'll start adding armored vehicles to the stash

Oh brother, you know you want to.... {chuckle}

Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale

In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale

Completed: M8A1 HST  1930 Packard Boattail Speedster  M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer  F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C

Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433  F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale

Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter

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22 minutes ago, Egilman said:

Oh brother, you know you want to.... {chuckle}

I hear the rabbit hole calling his name.....

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

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 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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