Canute Posted January 10 Share #361 Posted January 10 Scenery is definitely an art. We have a few guys here who can dazzle with it. Our ice storm never happened, but we did get 4 inches of rain yesterday. And some passing thunderstorms. The pasture across the road from me was a lake and washed out some of the farm driveway that cuts thru it. The French Beoad by me is usally75-100' wide. Today it's a half a mile wide.😨 Luckily not a lot of wind damage; the wind can blow the pine-trees over and spray stray branches around. Jack12477, AJohnson, Egilman and 3 others 6 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 10 Author Share #362 Posted January 10 5 hours ago, Jack12477 said: We got 12 inches of snow last Sunday, followed by 2-3 inches of rain last night with 45-60 mph wind gusts and 50 F temperatures, lots of stream flooding. Another one coming the weekend That sounds thoroughly nasty Jack. A recipe for a lot of flooding. I hope you are staying safe, dry and warm alan Jack12477, robert952, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 10 Author Share #363 Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Canute said: Scenery is definitely an art. We have a few guys here who can dazzle with it. Our ice storm never happened, but we did get 4 inches of rain yesterday. And some passing thunderstorms. The pasture across the road from me was a lake and washed out some of the farm driveway that cuts thru it. The French Beoad by me is usally75-100' wide. Today it's a half a mile wide.😨 Luckily not a lot of wind damage; the wind can blow the pine-trees over and spray stray branches around. Thankfully the severe thunderstorm here never materialized and the tornadoes avoided us. Just torrential rain for a while. alan Canute, Old Collingwood, robert952 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 13 Share #364 Posted January 13 I suspect there's more rain in store for everyone east of the Pacific coast. We've had and aref still having snow in the moiuntians around us and heavy rains ever day for the last couple of weeks and it's supposed to continue. Stay safe, everyone. robert952, Old Collingwood, Egilman and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted January 14 Share #365 Posted January 14 Yeah, we have precip forecast here for Monday. Snow in the higher elevations of the Smokies, rain around here in Hooterville. We can us the rain, but too much just runs off and only makes a partial dent in the drought. mtaylor, robert952, Egilman and 1 other 4 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 14 Author Share #366 Posted January 14 The landscaping continues. The lay up of kitchen towels soaked in diluted white glue was completed but the pattern of the towels was too visible so I added a layer of toilet paper which also had the advantage that it could be moved around with the brush to create undulations and contours in the basic shapes. Once dry I gave it a coat of gesso to give it a good surface for adding plaster or paint. I had made a series of rock face formations using plaster of Paris and crumpled kitchen foil which turned out quite nicely. I have started building up teh cliff faces with them. I am using Sculptamold to stick them to the formers and also to fill in and blend the pieces. \ The cheap artists palette knives are working really well. I'm glad I bought them I had originally planned to do the grass effects and then add the boulders to the hillsides but I think that is going to look a bit artificial and the boulders will look too separate so I will add them as part of this current activity. I will try to mask them while the grass is being added. Another shipment of Woodlands Scenics is expected shortly I'm also trying to decide on the base colour for the areas beyond the cliffs. I plan to use yellow grass and thinking a light grey base might work better than tan or brown. Darker green bushes will also be added and the limestone rocks will rise out of the grass Thanks for looking in, all the likes and comments. Its starting to feel like I'm actually achieving something. Alan CDW, Old Collingwood, realworkingsailor and 12 others 13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 15 Share #367 Posted January 15 That is really starting to take shape - that scenery is looking the part - excellent work Alan. OC. Jack12477, Canute, Egilman and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 16 Author Share #368 Posted January 16 23 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: That is really starting to take shape - that scenery is looking the part - excellent work Alan. OC. Thank you very much OC. This feels like the fun bit after all the brick work. I'm still a bit nervous about it though Alan Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Egilman and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 16 Author Share #369 Posted January 16 I finished adding the rock faces and blending them into the landscape with the Scupltamold. I have to work with small batches because the setting time is very short; I only seem to get about ten minutes before it becomes too difficult to work. I added the spur and the rock plug that are featured in the drone video. The rock plug is a bit too close to the end of the wall but I don't have any more depth on the baseboard. Cliff effects were added to this too. Finally rocks were added to the slopes and the edge of the pathway roughly in line with the real landscape. This will be left to dry for a day. Work calls tomorrow and the Woodland Scenic parcel should arrive then too. I think the next task will be to add the grass. I have the Woodland Scenics fine yellow grass for the majority of the landscape with some green added in shady areas. This will be a new experience for me. I have used the material on small areas and brushed adhesive on to the base. This time I'm thinking about using a spray bottle loaded with what seems to be commonly called "scenic glue". Woodland Scenics make their own but I have also read that the same adhesive can be arrived at by diluting white glue with four parts water or four parts alcohol (isopropyl variety rather than the maple bourbon). Does anyone have any experiences or preferences with these varieties. It also seems that once applied the grass should be sprayed with the scenic glue to bed it down. The alcohol based variant is claimed to have better wetting and penetrating power. Some tests are going to be necessary. I am going to need to be fairly careful with these next steps. I don't think I dare invert the model to get rid of excess loose turf. It would use this years and next years allowance of bad language if the towers parted company with the base Thank you all fotr looking in and all the comments Alan yvesvidal, robert952, FriedClams and 10 others 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted January 16 Share #370 Posted January 16 (edited) 46 minutes ago, king derelict said: diluting white glue with four parts water Yes ! Add a few drops of Dawn dish detergent (or equivalent brand) as a wetting agent, a spray bottle works. 46 minutes ago, king derelict said: It also seems that once applied the grass should be sprayed with the scenic glue to bed it down. Yes also. Go slow ! Don't over wet an area and keep to small areas at a time. I have never use alcohol so can't comment on that aspect. Looking good so far. Edited January 16 by Jack12477 Canute, AJohnson, robert952 and 5 others 8 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 16 Share #371 Posted January 16 Looking excellent Alan, I use this one that pre mixed in the rattle can, they say you can spray over the top of the grass thats already fixed down using the same spray, to add more depth of grass in areas, its supposed to dry flat without leaving any sheen. OC. Jack12477, AJohnson, Egilman and 5 others 8 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted January 16 Share #372 Posted January 16 3 hours ago, Jack12477 said: Yes ! Add a few drops of Dawn dish detergent (or equivalent brand) as a wetting agent, a spray bottle works. Yes also. Go slow ! Don't over wet an area and keep to small areas at a time. I have never use alcohol so can't comment on that aspect. Looking good so far. Looks great so far!!! Jack's got it right... the most common way, and from the layouts I've seen the best way.... It's the way I would do it Brother if I was that ambitious... AJohnson, FriedClams, Old Collingwood and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 16 Author Share #373 Posted January 16 20 hours ago, Jack12477 said: Yes ! Add a few drops of Dawn dish detergent (or equivalent brand) as a wetting agent, a spray bottle works. Yes also. Go slow ! Don't over wet an area and keep to small areas at a time. I have never use alcohol so can't comment on that aspect. Looking good so far. Thank you very much Jack. I'll stick with water as the diluting agent and the dish soap is a good tip too. Hopefully I will get started in the next few days. Alan Egilman, mtaylor, robert952 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 16 Author Share #374 Posted January 16 19 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: Looking excellent Alan, I use this one that pre mixed in the rattle can, they say you can spray over the top of the grass thats already fixed down using the same spray, to add more depth of grass in areas, its supposed to dry flat without leaving any sheen Thanks OC. I'm a bit concerned about getting a shine from the glue. I will experiment with the diluted white glue but the spray can may be another option Thanks again Alan Old Collingwood, AJohnson, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 16 Author Share #375 Posted January 16 17 hours ago, Egilman said: Looks great so far!!! Jack's got it right... the most common way, and from the layouts I've seen the best way.... It's the way I would do it Brother if I was that ambitious... Thank you very much EG. I'll be using your (and Jacks) suggestions Alan Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 16 Author Share #376 Posted January 16 A day of experimentation. I came back from the dentist to find a package from Woodland Scenics so I think I have everything I need to add grass, bushes and trees. \ I want to pint the cliffs first and get a grey wash on the ground before starting the turf so I used a handful of surplus plaster rocks to experiment using craft acrylic paints. I've learnt that very weak washes work best with maybe a darker wash in the crevices. I added a light touch of beige and yellow for mineralisation in the rock and ended up with results as below. Bottom right is an early effort and is horrible. Too much pigmentation. The two on the left are I think a reasonable attempt at limestone. I welcome thoughts on changes Many thanks for the advice, comments and likes Alan Canute, mtaylor, Landlubber Mike and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted January 16 Share #377 Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, king derelict said: Thanks OC. I'm a bit concerned about getting a shine from the glue. I will experiment with the diluted white glue but the spray can may be another option Thanks again Alan Another option, if you can get it, is acrylic matte medium: The stuff I have comes from Scenic Express, it can be used as is, or diluted, and as advertised, dries to a matte finish. (You can kinda read the instructions on the bottle in the above photo). Andy Canute, Jack12477, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 17 Share #378 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, king derelict said: Thanks OC. I'm a bit concerned about getting a shine from the glue. I will experiment with the diluted white glue but the spray can may be another option Thanks again Alan No problem mate. OC. king derelict, Canute, robert952 and 3 others 5 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted January 17 Share #379 Posted January 17 9 hours ago, king derelict said: A day of experimentation. I came back from the dentist to find a package from Woodland Scenics so I think I have everything I need to add grass, bushes and trees. \ I want to pint the cliffs first and get a grey wash on the ground before starting the turf so I used a handful of surplus plaster rocks to experiment using craft acrylic paints. I've learnt that very weak washes work best with maybe a darker wash in the crevices. I added a light touch of beige and yellow for mineralisation in the rock and ended up with results as below. Bottom right is an early effort and is horrible. Too much pigmentation. The two on the left are I think a reasonable attempt at limestone. I welcome thoughts on changes Many thanks for the advice, comments and likes Alan At first glance they all look like stones to me Alan, even the dark one. 👍 In isolation yes you can zoom in on “imperfections”, but once embedded in a diorama, then 99% of people will let their eyes move around the scene (the 1% is of course you, I think we all do that to our own work). I think this is going to look spectacular as it comes together. 😃 mtaylor, Jack12477, Egilman and 3 others 6 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 17 Author Share #380 Posted January 17 19 hours ago, realworkingsailor said: Another option, if you can get it, is acrylic matte medium: Thank you Andy. I think I have some matte medium; I'll hunt it out. Alan Egilman, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 17 Author Share #381 Posted January 17 10 hours ago, AJohnson said: At first glance they all look like stones to me Alan, even the dark one. 👍 In isolation yes you can zoom in on “imperfections”, but once embedded in a diorama, then 99% of people will let their eyes move around the scene (the 1% is of course you, I think we all do that to our own work). I think this is going to look spectacular as it comes together. 😃 Thank you for the kid comments Andrew I think the colour scheme will work for the model as a whole. I plan to aim for something like the lighter stones. I can always add a darker wash later if it looks necessary. I have a whole wilderness of grasses, brambles, bushes and creepers to throw at an imperfections. From the drone video there is quite a lot of growth on the rock faces and there is a wood around one side. I'm hope 70 tree armatures will cover that. Alan Egilman, Old Collingwood, Canute and 4 others 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waitoa Posted January 17 Share #382 Posted January 17 Amazing progress and look forward to see how you get on with the static grass and landscaping Old Collingwood, Jack12477, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted January 17 Share #383 Posted January 17 It's like you're painting a portrait, Alan. Really enjoying watching your progress. Egilman, AJohnson, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted January 18 Share #384 Posted January 18 Excellent techniques, Alan. 👍 The only thing I could add is to make sure there is no white showing after the grass and weeds are down. Our scenery gurus down at the club use these same techniques for the scenery. Egilman, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 18 Author Share #385 Posted January 18 On 1/17/2024 at 4:18 PM, Waitoa said: Amazing progress and look forward to see how you get on with the static grass and landscaping Thank you very much Waitoa. It feels like its all coming together. The landscaping is a whole new adventure Alan AJohnson, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 18 Author Share #386 Posted January 18 On 1/17/2024 at 5:22 PM, CDW said: It's like you're painting a portrait, Alan. Really enjoying watching your progress. Thank you Craig. This bit is really fun too. I watched a bunch of (mostly railway enthusiasts) landscaping and its a whole new world. Some fantastic stuff and as usual another big rabbit hole to go down. Alan Egilman, Jack12477, CDW and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 18 Author Share #387 Posted January 18 10 hours ago, Canute said: Excellent techniques, Alan. 👍 The only thing I could add is to make sure there is no white showing after the grass and weeds are down. Our scenery gurus down at the club use these same techniques for the scenery. Thank you Ken I'm thinking of painting the whole area to be grassed prior to adding the grass in case I get any thin areas. I'm trying to decide between a very light grey (to compliment teh rocks) or a khaki / beige (or even a grey warmed up with a bit of beige) Thanks for the help Alan mtaylor, Egilman, Jack12477 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 19 Author Share #388 Posted January 19 Work intruded so I had less time than I wanted to move on with the landscape. I was pleased with the results of the experiments on the plaster rock faces so I mixed up some large jars of light grey and dark grey washes and worked on the rocks and cliff faces. I was a bit restrained with the brown accents, only added a very small amount of the beige and then washing it into the greys. Tomorrow I will add a base colour to the areas to be grassed. I am still think of what to use for the ramp and path. The kit shows using broken tiles embedded in plaster but that's not how the real thing looks. It looks more like gravel and I also need to add a few shallow steps. I have some gravel like material which I may add to the Mig terrain material and see how that works out. Figures will need to be added before then. I think that I will need a case to display this safely so I need to finalise the lighting lead out and order the acrylic sheets. This is going to be a heavy piece of work. Thank you all for looking in, the encouragement and helpful comments and likes Alan Old Collingwood, Danstream, AJohnson and 10 others 7 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted January 19 Share #389 Posted January 19 Rocks/cliff look good. AJohnson, Canute, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted January 19 Author Share #390 Posted January 19 10 minutes ago, Jack12477 said: Rocks/cliff look good. Thank you Jack. I appreciate the help with the scenery Alan AJohnson, Egilman, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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