Steamship ERGENSTRASSE by Mirabell61 - FINISHED - 1:87

[Jim Lad]

Thanks for that, Andy!

 

John

[Mirabell61]

Thank you very much Andy and John,

The more feedback I get, the more I learn about these old steamers...

 

Andy

yes you`re right, I was too fixed on the centerkeel of the Ferris type ships (where I have the frameplan from).

The aspect of less draft without that keel allowing increased tonnage load makes sense. I can imagine there is a slight disadvantage without a keel standing out for lateral less corse holding reason.

I decided to leave the version I have as is, but shall allways carry the "Andy-Version" in mind for the future

Keep these good comments of yours coming in, they are much appreciated.

 

John

Thanks very much for your comparison scetches of bar- and flat keels, this rounds up the design versions very well

 

Nils

[Mirabell61]

Update

 

getting along with the plating job. My worries have calmed down, looks like there will still be enough foil on the roll

 

Nils

 

the waterline is marked again

here, to be seen for Andy, the bottom is nearly flat

[GrandpaPhil]

Very good idea!

 

That looks amazing!

 

I will have to pick up a roll of that foil tape the next time I go to the hardware store!

 

I have several armored warships coming up.

[Mirabell61]

many thanks Phil,

I would be pleased to see other metal plated model ships at the forum. I wish you much fun and success with your projects in planing

 

Nils

[Jim Lad]

That plating looks really good, Nils.

 

John

 

John

[Mirabell61]

Many thanks for you`re compliment John....

I just came from the copy shop and placed an order for the shipnames and homeport (aft rounding and forecastle sides). The lady said it would be best to print in white on black self adhesive foil. See what comes out when finished...

The pics are showing the cutting of the 30 x 50 mm plating pannels with the paper table-guillotine, while the siliconed paper protection foil is still on. The gluefilm is acetat and it sticks like hell. A tool is actually required to remove the plating again

Nils

 

 

 

 

[FriedClams]

Nice progress, Nils!  The hull plating looks great.

 

Gary

[Mirabell61]

many thanks Gary,

The plating is almost complete, I`m putting on the last few on the port side upper bulwark tomorrow and am pleased that my aluminium foil roll did last.

I have as an alternative tried out a special bonding primer spray for shiny aluminium surfaces and the results are quite satisfying so far. It usually would have been zinc-cromate primer like the aircraft industry had in use, but that is toxic and as far as I know its not being distributed any more. The next pics will be with the painted Hull in a few days

 

Nils

 

 

[mikegr]

44 minutes ago, Mirabell61 said:

many thanks Gary,

The plating is almost complete, I`m putting on the last few on the port side upper bulwark tomorrow and am pleased that my aluminium foil roll did last.

I have as an alternative tried out a special bonding primer spray for shiny aluminium surfaces and the results are quite satisfying so far. It usually would have been zinc-cromate primer like the aircraft industry had in use, but that is toxic and as far as I know its not being distributed any more. The next pics will be with the painted Hull in a few days

 

Nils

 

 

Epoxy primers or etch primers for car industry may work good as well.

 

https://carsystembg.com/en/cs-etch-primer-spray-478

[MAGIC's Craig]

Fascinating work, Nils, and quite entertaining to follow along your construction sequence. I also will look forward to seeing how she comes together. 👏

Craig

[Mirabell61]

13 hours ago, mikegr said:

Epoxy primers or etch primers for car industry may work good as well.

 

https://carsystembg.com/en/cs-etch-primer-spray-478

Thanks for that link with the etch primer Mike, I`ll keep an eye open on that

 

Nils

[Mirabell61]

13 hours ago, MAGIC's Craig said:

Fascinating work, Nils, and quite entertaining to follow along your construction sequence. I also will look forward to seeing how she comes together. 👏

Craig

many thanks for looking in Craig,

the superstructure details will have to be developed as I get to the appropriate sequences, I have an Idea though....

The masts will be tapered soldered and from brass tube material

 

Nils

[mikegr]

2 hours ago, Mirabell61 said:

Thanks for that link with the etch primer Mike, I`ll keep an eye open on that

 

Nils

its just an example any epoxy product for the car industry will do just find. Make sure its 1K (one ingredient) as a 2 part can,  after mix probably won't last long 

[yvesvidal]

On 7/20/2023 at 1:40 PM, Mirabell61 said:

 

On 7/20/2023 at 1:40 PM, Mirabell61 said:

 

Nils, this is beautiful. Are you using one of these spoke wheels to emboss the rivets? Once painted, this is going to look terrific.

 

On a side note, my brother dug out an old unfinished kit of the Billing Boats Hjejlen (spelling is probably incorrect) and I showed him your thread related to that boat. He is very excited and may finish it like you did.

 

Yves

Edited August 3, 2023 by yvesvidal

[Mirabell61]

thanks for you comment Yves,

I`m using toothwheels of old mantel clocks for poncing (rivets). The handles are made from old paint brush handles.

Regards to your brother and I wish him much luck and fun with the Hjejlen build

 

Nils

if you look close, you`l notice  different tooth sizes and by sloting the circumferal wheel I get even 2- and 3 fold "rivet rows. The 2-fold I used on the Ergenstrasse plating

[Javelin]

Genious way of doing those rivets. Love the plating effect so far. This is real scratchbuilding. 

 

 

[Mirabell61]

Thank you very much Javilin,

 

Nils

[Mirabell61]

Update

 

Started with the painting of the hull. The paint sticks on quite well together with the used promoting bounding primer for shiny aluminium. The lettering (names, homeport) is not yet attached but already printed in white letters on self adhesive black background foil (cut out patches).

I also started with the ships boats, because they are double-ender lifeboats, It will only require 1/2 a boat as a plug for doing the silicon mould. They will be cast in resin. Each two halves will be glued together, (total 8 halves), trimmed and 4 boats then brought to final shape.

I shall try to get some appropriate decals in transparent with white lettering for the front and aft depth markings, and for the Plymsoll mark midships

 

Nils

the sub-waterline is "African red" silk, acrylic paint, the upper hull is silk black, a silicone based black paint used  for iron stoves and thear ductwork

 

 

 

 

the lettering printed on black foil (for cutting out patches)

 

preparing to make 1/2 a plug for the silicon mold for the ships boats that will be cast in resin afterwards

 

Edited August 11, 2023 by Mirabell61

[Jim Lad]

That hull looks really good, Nils.

 

John

[Mirabell61]

Many thanks John,

I`m pleased you like it. I just put the lettering on...

 

Nils

 

 

 

[yvesvidal]

31 minutes ago, Mirabell61 said:

That plated and painted hull is incredibly realistic Nils. Beautiful model so far.

 

Yves

[Mirabell61]

Thank you very much Yves,

 

I`m still working on the plug for the clinkered lifeboats .For the lapstraking I`m using  two-layer stripe foil before cutting them. Otherwise they would`nt show the lapstrake appeal after painting.

Boats in scale 1:87, taking up (in scale) 15 persons or so could not be found, so I`m doing them myself

 

Nils

some srap ply layers were glued to a block to shape the raw plug

 

[Mirabell61]

intermediate session

 

after experiencing the make of the boats for 5 Elbe in scale 1:50, and for the liner Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse in scale 1:160, I needed boats in scale ( H0 ) 1:87 for this project. I documented the building sequences for my own backup anyhow and thought it might be interesting for my fellow builders, whoever may require selfmade boats in special scales. So I`m sharing this intermediate session to whom it may concern. I still had some leftover two-component resin to allow the pruduction (material wise) of 3 identical double-ender lifeboats for Ergenstrasse.  It would have been total 4 boats if I had not forgotten by mistake to mix enough hardener component there. Now my resin is used up and 3 boats will also do.

 

Nils

wooden halfplug

fake clinkering application of half plug (double-ender)

 

 

 

boxing for the silicon mold. Tapered filler logs to save quantity of silicon material used

setting of the halfplug into the mold and filling in silicon, use seperation wax spray for both plug and mold

silicon mold for casting the boats from

this is the second plug for the inner boat shapes, to be inserted into the silicon mold. Use temp. spacers for checking wallthicknesses and position of the plug. (fixing withe needles)

 

 

Two-compont resin into the mold with inserted plug. Use seperation spay wax for both plag and mold before casting

result after the resin is cured and the part removed from the mold ( inside view)

 

outside view

persons maximum capacity check when seated

preparing for cutting out the cockpit deck area

 

 

glueing 2 halves together

 

cut out cockpit cover. The boats length is 108 mm without the rudder

 

the open boat (without outer painting and rudder) is completed

 

there will also be some oars for the boat

 

 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Mirabell61

[Jim Lad]

A very clear explanation of the process, nils.

 

John

[Mirabell61]

thank you John

 

Nils

[Blue Ensign]

Your ingenuity knows no bounds Nils, and I just love the look of the painted hull, such realism.

 

Regards,

 

B.E.

[Mirabell61]

Thank you very much for your nice comment B.E., much appreciated

 

I just put on the bow- and stern depth markings and the Lloyds Register "Plymsoll" marking.

 

Nils

 

stern in normal lettering

bow in roman lettering

[LEFEBVRE]

Hello Niels.
What talent, total respect.
Thank you for making us revereet see you very soon for the rest.
Friendships.
Stephane 😜

[Mirabell61]

Thanks very much Stephane...

 

Nils